greylord Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 So the pirates already have the game... Are they going to be putting piracy protection on it then...aka DRM... Or do they still think it's going to stop the pirates? I'd think it would be kind of ridiculous...seeing the pirates got it before the legit customers... But hey...DRM seems to be the in thing...why not hurt the customer and force them to turn to the pirates free version...which apparantly is now out before the real version anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Go ahead if you prefer a bugged and ugly version over the pretty and final one. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Go ahead if you prefer a bugged and ugly version over the pretty and final one. I'm not getting any version. I'm just anti-DRM and find the reasons for it rather lacking. I feel it actually hurts sales (stops people like me from even getting the game, it's the number one turn off), and if the pirates already have the game...stopping pirates with it is pretty false of a reason. AKA...there's no real reason for it except stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Go ahead if you prefer a bugged and ugly version over the pretty and final one. I'm not getting any version. I'm just anti-DRM and find the reasons for it rather lacking. I feel it actually hurts sales (stops people like me from even getting the game, it's the number one turn off), and if the pirates already have the game...stopping pirates with it is pretty false of a reason. AKA...there's no real reason for it except stupidity. except, that the DRM is nowadays primary used for stopping second-hand sales... Piracy is just a scapegoat for shareholders and lawmakers... Edited February 23, 2011 by Mamoulian War Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Why lock your door when professional and habitual criminals will still find a way in? You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Why lock your door when professional and habitual criminals will still find a way in? Yes, yes, i've heard that analogy billion times... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...-box-office.ars meanwhile this shows how badly piracy damaged entertaining industry in 2010... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Why lock your door when professional and habitual criminals will still find a way in? Why use a 100% ineffective lock ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Why lock your door when professional and habitual criminals will still find a way in? Why use a 100% ineffective lock ? No lock will stop them if they really want in. They'll break a window. Heck, I could bust open a deadbolt when I was 16. Edited February 23, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 No lock will stop them if they really want in. They'll break a window. Heck, I could bust open a deadbolt when I was 16. True, DRM's like locking an open door. Also, you are undoubtedly criminal scum Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) In England we have a phrase for this: locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. And yes, I can see instantly how it knackers second hand sales. Which simply means that anyone wanting the game cut price can only get it by piracy. Nice one, industry. You may not get revenue second hand, but at least you don't drive peopel into piracy. Because I'd guarantee that once someone pirates one game they'll do it again. And yes, I'm still butthurt after diligently paying for Silent Hunter III only to discover that BECAUSE I paid for it the crappy out of date DRM on it means I can't play it. And may I formally and categorically say: f*** Ubisoft and their DRM into a cheap formica cupboard and off a cliff. Edited February 24, 2011 by Walsingham "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) In England we have a phrase for this: locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Exactly. In this case, as in Starcraft II's case, it's like the burgular is already in your house. So you're going to lock the door...what's that going to do...simply make it so the police can't come help you? Smart move. As for second hand sales...since hardly anyone sells second hand anymore, I guess they got that done. I don't really think that helped them sell anymore games either though...so that's kind of stupid as well. The only thing I can think of is trying to cheat the law (well, in Britain...I believe everyone has the right to back up their games for PERSONAL and PRIVATE usage...DRM may make the game makers feel as if they can cheat the law in that arena). I think the only thing DRM has done is to increase the number of pirated games or move more people to consoles where they don't have to worry about DRM (yet). Edited February 24, 2011 by greylord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why lock your door when professional and habitual criminals will still find a way in? Yes, yes, i've heard that analogy billion times... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...-box-office.ars meanwhile this shows how badly piracy damaged entertaining industry in 2010... So you just reply with a bunch of statistics on the success of movies. Which have a radically different revenue format from games. Good times. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Ah, I love this: "I cant afford it so Im forced to steal it." "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Ah, I love this: "I cant afford it so Im forced to steal it." Generation 'Y' entitlement complex 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why lock your door when professional and habitual criminals will still find a way in? Yes, yes, i've heard that analogy billion times... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...-box-office.ars meanwhile this shows how badly piracy damaged entertaining industry in 2010... So you just reply with a bunch of statistics on the success of movies. Which have a radically different revenue format from games. Good times. If you do not like my reply, try to reply to Walshingham, who said it better than I would ever be able... And my link was more pointing out the hypocrites in the industry who whine all the time at every ocassion, how piracy is driving them into situation that they can eat only once a week, while they are still making record revenues... And I would bet my ass that if we had exact statistics on revenue of Gaming Industry, which publishers are still trying to hide for whatever reason, we would also find that the gaming industry is in record numbers aswell... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Hold up, are you seriously trying to advocate that since they still made money its ok to pirate? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I think it's just that the crap they put on as "protection" is not only useless, what it aims to fight isn't actually the cause. Now to go download GIMP without paying! Mwuahahahaha. Edited February 24, 2011 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 And my link was more pointing out the hypocrites in the industry who whine all the time at every ocassion, how piracy is driving them into situation that they can eat only once a week, while they are still making record revenues... And I would bet my ass that if we had exact statistics on revenue of Gaming Industry, which publishers are still trying to hide for whatever reason, we would also find that the gaming industry is in record numbers aswell... I'm sure that all the people Activision has laid off are happy with your assessment. Just because (some) publishers are doing really well by slashing all but 2-3 product lines doesn't mean that the industry is in a good shape. But yeah, I have a rule, I try not to argue with fanatics, it's useless, and I'm definitely breaking it talking to you. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 You can't just take **** that doesn't belong to you against the owner's wishes. All this justification is just a load of crap. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I thought we were on to DRM's true purpose Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 DRM's true purpose is to manage the rights to the products. If the particular scheme employed by a specific product is offensive to me for some reason, which it often is, I don't buy the product and do something else with my free time. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 And my link was more pointing out the hypocrites in the industry who whine all the time at every ocassion, how piracy is driving them into situation that they can eat only once a week, while they are still making record revenues... And I would bet my ass that if we had exact statistics on revenue of Gaming Industry, which publishers are still trying to hide for whatever reason, we would also find that the gaming industry is in record numbers aswell... I'm sure that all the people Activision has laid off are happy with your assessment. Just because (some) publishers are doing really well by slashing all but 2-3 product lines doesn't mean that the industry is in a good shape. But yeah, I have a rule, I try not to argue with fanatics, it's useless, and I'm definitely breaking it talking to you. Well, as I said, it makes no sense locking the door once the pirate is already in the house, unless you want to stop the police from helping you out. As for any problems with some publishers...most of the time it's not because of pirates, but because people didn't buy their games for the REAL reason (the game they made stunk...OR they give them reasons not to buy the game...such as I not buying some DRM games on PC since I don't want to put up with the headache. That's why a lot of my gaming has moved to consoles currently, thus far they haven't given the headache out, though some of them are starting to move in that direction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 The point is, just because professionals can hit you if they choose, it's no reason to implement measures that prevent amateurs from doing it as well. The horse might have fled the stable in this case, but the tack is still there for the taking. And yeah, please continue without me. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Hold up, are you seriously trying to advocate that since they still made money its ok to pirate? Seriously, this is ridiculous, where in the hell did I ever mentioned that it is OK to pirate??? Just because I do not agree with the whining of the industry which wants to strip off the real customer, who pays real money for their products, out of all their rights with ridiculous DRM schemes, does not means that It is OK to pirate! You people have to stop jumping into various overzealous conclusions... IT IS NOT OK TO PIRATE AND IT IS NOT OK TO KICK YOUR CUSTOMERS IN THE FACE USING PIRATES AS A SCAPEGOAT! If you are having biggest profits ever, then the piracy is for sure not as big problem as you try to lie about it... Edited February 24, 2011 by Mamoulian War Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 And this, is one of the examples, why piracy exist in a first place... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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