New copyright enforcement bill on its way

[Oblarg]

Like I said, people can't figure out word or how to download attachments from their computer, and you expect them not only to download and run torrents and programs, but also to be able to get a program to mount the files, and tweak it so it runs wiht the crack they need...

 

Ever seen your grandparents play a ps2? it's like that.

 

The average video game consumer is not a clueless grandparent.

[Calax]

Like I said, people can't figure out word or how to download attachments from their computer, and you expect them not only to download and run torrents and programs, but also to be able to get a program to mount the files, and tweak it so it runs wiht the crack they need...

 

Ever seen your grandparents play a ps2? it's like that.

 

The average video game consumer is not a clueless grandparent.

The average video game consumer doesn't play on the pc to much

[Rosbjerg]

I discus piracy with a lot of my gamer friends and I agree with Calax, it's actually only a few of them that knows how to use torrents - most would know how to download music and small programs - but when it comes to cracking games and installing workarounds only a few have a clue what to do.. Only a handful of my friends even know how to properly install mods, I have to help a lot of them with simple things like editing text files etc. So piracy for them is definitely out of the picture.

[Oblarg]

There is no "knowing how to use torrents." It's just double clicking.

[Calax]

Now you're just being obtuse Oblarg.

 

There is no "knowing how to" it's all just movement of your muscles so EVERYONE should do EVERYTHING!

[Oblarg]

Now you're just being obtuse Oblarg.

 

There is no "knowing how to" it's all just movement of your muscles so EVERYONE should do EVERYTHING!

 

No, really, I don't see how someone can "not know how" to open a .torrent file. You double click on it, like every other file.

[Rosbjerg]

There is no "knowing how to use torrents." It's just double clicking.

 

I wasn't referring specifically to the file extension but rather to whole concept behind it - it seems a lot of people (luckily?) have absolutely no idea how torrents work, even though they are easy to use.

[Oblarg]

There is no "knowing how to use torrents." It's just double clicking.

 

I wasn't referring specifically to the file extension but rather to whole concept behind it - it seems a lot of people (luckily?) have absolutely no idea how torrents work, even though they are easy to use.

 

You don't have to know how the download protocol itself works to know how to use the client. The argument that people don't pirate games because they can't figure out how to work bittorrent is laughable.

[Calax]

There is no "knowing how to use torrents." It's just double clicking.

 

I wasn't referring specifically to the file extension but rather to whole concept behind it - it seems a lot of people (luckily?) have absolutely no idea how torrents work, even though they are easy to use.

 

You don't have to know how the download protocol itself works to know how to use the client. The argument that people don't pirate games because they can't figure out how to work bittorrent is laughable.

Ok, you can possibly just have torrents work if somebody gave you the torrent client and pointed to you where to find the torrents.......

 

 

but what about everything else? The no cd crack, the mounting tools, the futzing with gamefiles to make it so they don't fight you with drm...

[Oblarg]

There is no "knowing how to use torrents." It's just double clicking.

 

I wasn't referring specifically to the file extension but rather to whole concept behind it - it seems a lot of people (luckily?) have absolutely no idea how torrents work, even though they are easy to use.

 

You don't have to know how the download protocol itself works to know how to use the client. The argument that people don't pirate games because they can't figure out how to work bittorrent is laughable.

Ok, you can possibly just have torrents work if somebody gave you the torrent client and pointed to you where to find the torrents.......

 

 

but what about everything else? The no cd crack, the mounting tools, the futzing with gamefiles to make it so they don't fight you with drm...

 

Now that bit is more reasonable, yes, but I still think you guys are underestimating the cognitive abilities of your average gamer. They may not be the smartest people ever, but I really have a hard time believing they're all retarded.

[Rosbjerg]

Now that bit is more reasonable, yes, but I still think you guys are underestimating the cognitive abilities of your average gamer. They may not be the smartest people ever, but I really have a hard time believing they're all retarded.

 

You know, driving a bike is the most simple thing in the world.. once you've learned how.. I think it's rather harsh to call people retarted just because they don't know something, which you incidentally find very easy. We are not born with the instant-knowledge of computer operation and believe it or not, many gamers are actually not very advanced users. For them, anything beyond an install wizard and a very thorough install guide can be quite daunting. Imagine you never took the time to familiarize yourself with a computer beyond watching movies, playing games and now you have to suddenly install a fake DVD drive, mount and iso, apply a crack etc etc.. I'm not generalizing out of some prejudice, I base this on actually seeing friends handle computers and programs - most of them really don't know some (imho) very basic things.

[Orogun01]

How would you explain the peer numbers then? Speaking of which I actually have to check on game distribution and internet access. See if most of these guys are in areas where the game is available. :exeunt stage right:

[Calax]

How would you explain the peer numbers then? Speaking of which I actually have to check on game distribution and internet access. See if most of these guys are in areas where the game is available. :exeunt stage right:

The internet going crew (like board users etc) represent a vast minority of those who have play games. And having the internet doesn't mean you're totally proficient in using it.

[Orogun01]

How would you explain the peer numbers then? Speaking of which I actually have to check on game distribution and internet access. See if most of these guys are in areas where the game is available. :exeunt stage right:

The internet going crew (like board users etc) represent a vast minority of those who have play games. And having the internet doesn't mean you're totally proficient in using it.

Discounting the minority of people in third world who have access to the internet and the ones in remote locations of civilized countries, the majority of them are in the states. Plus you don't really need to be that proficient to burn or mount a game.

[Calax]

The point Oro, is that you seem to assume that the layman is easily able to pick up a computer, and then instantly pirate, mount, install and crack a game without anyone showing them how. That good sir, is utter tripe.

[Oblarg]

The point Oro, is that you seem to assume that the layman is easily able to pick up a computer, and then instantly pirate, mount, install and crack a game without anyone showing them how. That good sir, is utter tripe.

 

No, it's not. Maybe not instantly, but with an hour or so of toying around, sure.

[Calax]

The point Oro, is that you seem to assume that the layman is easily able to pick up a computer, and then instantly pirate, mount, install and crack a game without anyone showing them how. That good sir, is utter tripe.

 

No, it's not. Maybe not instantly, but with an hour or so of toying around, sure.

You think your average gamer is going to plink around for an hour with practically no clue to figure out this thing he heard rumors of?

[Purkake]

It's like a bunch of blind people discussing the color of the sky.

 

Less tech savvy people have their more tech savvy friends do it for them.

[Walsingham]

The point Oro, is that you seem to assume that the layman is easily able to pick up a computer, and then instantly pirate, mount, install and crack a game without anyone showing them how. That good sir, is utter tripe.

 

No, it's not. Maybe not instantly, but with an hour or so of toying around, sure.

You think your average gamer is going to plink around for an hour with practically no clue to figure out this thing he heard rumors of?

 

I don't think it's mad to suggest that most people could be expected to TRY and figure out something for an hour if it was going to save them 30 quid. Not many people earn more than that an hour.

 

I'm not saying I condone it, but then I have a TV license, and I'm not technically obliged to have one. I just enjoy the BBC's output online and feel morally commmitted to having it.

[Hurlshort]

I'd say it comes down to age more than anything. Most of the folks I know who pirate (or who I suspect pirate) are young. As you get older, two things happen. One, you get a bit more cash in your pocket, and two, you realize that cash was hard to get and you feel less comfortable taking stuff for free.

 

The other day I bought Ice Cream, and they gave me my daughter's scoop for free. So I turned around and stuffed a couple bucks in the tip jar. I also wasn't charged for a drink at a local deli, so I went to the counter and let them know. I'm not sure if I would have done that as a teenager.

[Gorgon]

It doesn't take much in the way of computer savey to pirate, your average user would be good to go in a heartbeat. Also Hurlshot is right about growing up, that's what happened to me anyway.

[Gorgon]

By the way I have a TV license and I don't have a TV. That's how it works here, unless you live in a cave you pay.

[Malcador]

The NFO files are sometimes very helpful, seen some that provide links to the tools needed, etc. Although it is amusing to read the comments sections and boggle at how many people are failing to RTFM.

[Nepenthe]

I'd say it comes down to age more than anything. Most of the folks I know who pirate (or who I suspect pirate) are young. As you get older, two things happen. One, you get a bit more cash in your pocket, and two, you realize that cash was hard to get and you feel less comfortable taking stuff for free.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with this, and I've seen the change in myself.

[Irrelevant]

If a significant majority of customers do not have the incentive(either by being inconvienced by something they bought, or because it allows them to run and play the games they own with more ease,or because its free) to pirate software how can it be such a big issue? Are these multi-billion/million corporations overeacting?

Are they simply not able to adjust to how there are so many other ways for people to find entertainment?

Edited October 4, 2010 by Irrelevant