New copyright enforcement bill on its way

[Meshugger]

We control the internet now.

 

Meh.

[Wrath of Dagon]

May be if they blocked the pirate websites, PC games would actually have a chance again.

[Oblarg]

May be if they blocked the pirate websites, PC games would actually have a chance again.

 

Because piracy is just absolutely killing the industry right now.

 

Irrelevant, though, at least for music piracy. Laws rely more on widespread compliance than on enforcement, and given the music industry's ridiculous pricing they're never going to get people to stop pirating music. I certainly am not going to pay $25 for a reissued album from 20 years ago from a band that no longer exists.

[Wrath of Dagon]

It's killing the single player industry. And not agreeing with how something is priced doesn't give you the right to steal it.

[Volourn]

Thieves are scumbags and pirates are thieves. I agree with the above. Disagrreing with a product or service's price does not give you the right to steal it. If it was, I'd be grabbing all the corvettes I could.

[Meshugger]

I think that laws like these are inheritly corrupted. Expect many shaky "take downs" of sites that have nothing to with piracy in the future.

[Oblarg]

It's killing the single player industry. And not agreeing with how something is priced doesn't give you the right to steal it.

 

I still buy music. I buy music that has recently been released by bands that still exist.

 

Attempting to enforce copyright law over the internet is like attempting to enforce a ban on jaywalking - it will never, ever work. The only possible solution is to rework the copyright law.

[LadyCrimson]

This isn't a statement for piracy (I'm very against it) but imo, with current tech at least, I see no way to effectively stop it (digital piracy) without complete policing of the internet that would turn the 'net into just another marketing/sales tool vs free information/use. If that makes sense.

 

Although I can see trying to block large known pirate music sites, from here or ones based in other countries. But trying to keep track of all the IPs and such of them all as they rapidly change around seems like a pretty big task. But I'm no tech expert.

Edited September 23, 2010 by LadyCrimson

[Hurlshort]

It's killing the single player industry. And not agreeing with how something is priced doesn't give you the right to steal it.

 

I still buy music. I buy music that has recently been released by bands that still exist.

 

 

That doesn't mean anything at all. Because you do something legally most of the time does not excuse doing it illegally some of the time.

[Meshugger]

It's killing the single player industry. And not agreeing with how something is priced doesn't give you the right to steal it.

 

I still buy music. I buy music that has recently been released by bands that still exist.

 

 

That doesn't mean anything at all. Because you do something legally most of the time does not excuse doing it illegally some of the time.

 

Which doesn't have anything to do with the topic either. It is about giving authority to shut down sites on dubious claims. Piracy in itself is another matter.

[HoonDing]

Meh. As long as they don't block the porn, all's well.

[Humodour]

We control the internet now.

 

Meh.

 

Uhg, what ****ing bull****.

[Orogun01]

Dear God

 

Please smite down all **** trying to stop piracy.

 

Ubisoft DMR finds it's way up the corporate ladder, and i'm sure that it will also end in disaster.

[Gorth]

It's killing the single player industry. And not agreeing with how something is priced doesn't give you the right to steal it.

 

I still buy music. I buy music that has recently been released by bands that still exist.

 

 

That doesn't mean anything at all. Because you do something legally most of the time does not excuse doing it illegally some of the time.

 

Which doesn't have anything to do with the topic either. It is about giving authority to shut down sites on dubious claims. Piracy in itself is another matter.

Yeah, good riddance to piracy sites and filesharers, but the decision process, who decides what qualifies for blacklisting etc. is rather conspiceously (sp?) unspecified at the moment.

 

Few people throw fits at the idea of cops handing out speeding tickets without a court process, but would you have private interest groups have the same authority? Not really.

[Humodour]

That's because cops have to complete their degree, go through intensive training, and are generally held highly accountable to the law.

 

Private interest groups fit none of these requirements.

[Slowtrain]

Private interest groups are pretty much the most frightening force on the planet, barring a few governments, given the large amount of power thay often wield along with an astounding lack of accountability for the "decisions" they make.

[Meshugger]

Meh. As long as they don't block the porn, all's well.

 

As soon as the public has accepted that sites can be shut down for little or no reason, there will be groups that will try to get rid of sites that break obcenity laws. Then they will come after the racists and extremists. And later [insert any form of non-conformitist group].

 

Interest groups wishes to have the power to remove what they find irritating, embarressing or immoral from the internet. Companies wishes to control their own financial interests on the internet, and the states wishes to control the very flow of information itself. These groups will sooner or later coalesce and agree upon a common framework.

Edited September 24, 2010 by Meshugger

[Rosbjerg]

Dangerous law - combat piracy with good products and fair prices, like you do in any other industry.

 

They are only empowering the idea that piracy is the "little man's" personal adventure against the mighty corporations. If you kill piracy on the net you'll just bring back the old model of buying burned cds from a local dealer. Kill the motivation to cheat by creating loyal consumers instead.

[Monte Carlo]

If a shop opened up in your local mall with a sign outside saying "Buy your 100% WAREZ HERE!!!" it would be shut down very quickly.

 

Why is the internet so freaking different? The online culture has an unrealistic sense of entitlement when it comes to breaking the law.

[Monte Carlo]

As soon as the public has accepted that sites can be shut down for little or no reason, there will be groups that will try to get rid of sites that break obcenity laws. Then they will come after the racists and extremists. And later [insert any form of non-conformitist group]. Interest groups wishes to have the power to remove what they find irritating, embarressing or immoral from the internet. Companies wishes to control their own financial interests on the internet, and the states wishes to control the very flow of information itself. These groups will sooner or later coalesce and agree upon a common framework.

 

Sorry, but it isn't it a bit hyperbolic to equate protecting basic property rights with totalitarianism?

[Gorgon]

I much prefer the internet the way it is, as opposed to effectively enforced and comprehensively legislated. Anyway this is affecting the US, the home of the biggest champions of intellectual property rights. The rest of the world isn't going to follow suit anytime soon.

 

As it turns out streaming content is extremely difficult to shut down for copyright infringement, as it has to be done on a per case basis, and even the music industry doesn't have that many lawyers. You might think that such apparently blatant disregard for copyright is unfair, but I'm not so sure you are going to like the end result of tough legislation either.

 

Does anyone really consider the legality of every video clip they watch ?. Does the net belong to the users or to the copyright holders ?.

 

 

I dunno, I suppose I can live with stepping on a few toes as opposed to youtube being emptied of content tomorrow.

Edited September 24, 2010 by Gorgon

[Gorgon]

If a shop opened up in your local mall with a sign outside saying "Buy your 100% WAREZ HERE!!!" it would be shut down very quickly.

 

Why is the internet so freaking different? The online culture has an unrealistic sense of entitlement when it comes to breaking the law.

Bad analogy, Warez don't cost anything. Although a shop giving away free bootleg DVDs would get shut down just as fast-

[Monte Carlo]

^ Yours is an all-or-nothing argument. The issue is simply people stealing a sixty-dollar product online as tangibly as if they'd walked into a shop, concealed the item in their clothing and waltzed off without paying. You've stretched that into a thin end of the wedge type scenario whereby an army of eagle-eyed IP lawyers are going to chase down kids in Somewhere, Ohio, for making their own Lego Star Wars movies by using voice clips from George Lucas movies.

 

That ain't gonna happen.

[Gorgon]

You tube dodged having to pre clear all of their user content not long ago, did you miss that ?

[Monte Carlo]

No I didn't miss it, in fact the way it was managed and negotiated to everybody's satisfaction is a good example of what I'm talking about.

 

I don't have a dog in this fight - I'm not a games developer nor do I own any of my own intellectual property. But if I were or I did, I would be furious that some lazy SoB was stealing it then whining about his freedom being curtailed simply because the way he was stealing it was on the internet.

 

This isn't a very difficult point of view to understand AFAIC.