Tigranes Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 Fair enough - looks like some of the augs work quite differently from what I imagined from the descriptions and limited experimentation. I'm doing the endgame now and there's a certain satisfaction in abusing Master level stealth pistols. Not a fan of the crazy alien / mutated animal beings (kind of like Halo's Flood...), but ah well. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Well, it's true for Deus Ex : Invisible War.For Alpha Protocol, while I'm not sure if they could reach Deus Ex as far as level design goes, they certainly could do better, especially since the Unreal Engine already showed us bigger and more interactive environments. There had to be some problems technically and internally with the engines (programmers struggling to get used to it etc.) because the levels are really crippled and not even that detailed. I can't really think of any big interactive environments in the U3 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I can't really think of any big interactive environments in the U3 engine. On par on Deus Ex? No. But better than Alpha Protocol? pretty much every UE3 game. Just look at Batman : Arkham Asylum if you want an example.. and you can backtrack! Seriously, the lack of backtracking for no reason whatsoever was really unnerving in Alpha Protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Bioshock uses Unreal Engine 2.5 and has quite a bit of environmental interaction. I don't really see how backtracking is relevant here, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I remember when I first got a card that supported detailed textures for Deus Ex: Wow!! At the time, I loved that the game had several points where I figured it would end... but didn't! Today it might be more of an issue as I'm at a point where long games have become a negative because I am finding it hard to motivate myself to replay a 60 hour game. I mean, I spent about 40ish hours on several playthroughs of Alpha Protocol, but only played through DA once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I don't really see how backtracking is relevant here, though. It was a comparison between Alpha Protocol level design (where the game decides for no reason whatsoever to close permanently doors behind you) and Deus Ex level design (really open, with a lot of secondary passages and routes, without artificial limitations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Duly noted. It was just in a post discussing the Unreal Engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 I think the idea behind it was that they wanted your decisions (or lack of decision) to not be something you could easily go back on. In some ways I didn't mind it. It could have been handled in more ingenious ways though IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 I absolutely love long games, when I was younger I had no problem with Final Fantasy and the scale of BG2 continues to be fantastic. As I keep saying, the issue with Deus Ex's length is that the gameplay doesn't evolve to keep up with the length, and becomes stretched. Interesting point about other U3 games - it had to be technological reasons that ruled out bigger levels (whether engine-specific or project-specific), but it really hurts AP. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 By today's standards though, Deus Ex is the game I have more recently played through in its entirety. Not a game like BG2 or Final Fantasy. Deus Ex to me is near the apex of gaming enjoyment for me. The only thing I didn't really like about Area 51 when I first played it, was the realization that it would be ending soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckmann Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 (edited) [...] Interesting point about other U3 games - it had to be technological reasons that ruled out bigger levels (whether engine-specific or project-specific), but it really hurts AP. Afaik, the "small area plague" that has hit gaming is primarily a console concern, affecting the PC equivalents by proxy, due to the related "porting plague". Is it even possible to buy PCs with only 512 RAM these days? Edited July 6, 2010 by Luckmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Wasn't Borderlands based on UE3? Or Mirror's Edge? Those games had pretty massive levels. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 You think Spy Drone is useful? Anyway, the limited level design is probably due to consoles. See DX:IW vs. DX for example. The Spy Drone/Aggressive Defense System discussion has been going on since the game came out. Everybody agrees one of them is useless. They just disagree which one. I prefer ADS, I get to sneak around enough in real life. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) Wasn't Borderlands based on UE3? Or Mirror's Edge? Those games had pretty massive levels. Shh, don't mess up a perfectly good lynching with facts! (Oops, double post. My bad.) Edited July 7, 2010 by Nepenthe You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I fail to see how getting enemies to blow themselves up (including Simons to a degree) is useless, but whatever. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 It's a lot easier to create huge levels when they consist entirely of long textureless walls. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Don't diss Mirror's Edge's art style, at least it didn't have the gray-brown piss filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Spy Drone is the best aug in the game for a stealth player. Agressive Defense System in one of the best for a combat player. Its a well balanced aug. Spy Drone actually works well for any player Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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