Mouse input broken, makes game nearly unplayable (video inside)

[Mithaldu]

There's already a topic on this, but it does not state clearly how severe the problem is and ventures a wrong guess at the cause of this.

 

Here's how it manifests ingame:

 

As long as the mouse is not touched the game is completely smooth. But as soon as the mouse is used it begins to skip and drop frame slike crazy.

 

Manipulating the ini files had no effect.

 

Obsidian, your turn.

Edited May 28, 2010 by Mithaldu

[Hathur]

My friend has the exact same problem on the PC Smooth when not moving mouse (using wasd to run like you were).. but as soon as he turns the camera even the slightest amount with the mouse, everything turns all jerky just like in your video

 

I was going to buy the game, but now I'm going to wait until I see that a patch is released to fix it.

 

EDIT: I should also note... it's not just a nuisance or cosmetic problem... it is literally impossible to aim like this... it's also not a performance issue since FPS is running solid (especially considering the specs of his computer).. there's something just buggy as hell in the code that makes the screen jerk around the second the mouse input goes in.

Edited May 28, 2010 by Hathur

[Oner]

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showt...t&p=1036075

Here's a solution.

[WorstUsernameEver]

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showt...t&p=1036075

Here's a solution.

 

Oner.. you know that he was the last user to post in that thread, right?

[Oner]

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showt...t&p=1036075

Here's a solution.

 

Oner.. you know that he was the last user to post in that thread, right?

Hmm.. seems I've misread the post.

[Mithaldu]

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showt...t&p=1036075

Here's a solution.

I appreciate that you try to help.

 

But yeah, i already tried that and a LOT more (i did manage to remove the dumb framerate lock), but none of it fixed the mouse issues. It's like Tribes 2 all over again, only that got patched.

[Shinaju]

I have the same problem, and it is such a pain in the ass to play with this. I did try to tweak the ini, but doesn't work. I do hope Obs release a patch ASAP, because so far, I'm very disappointed about the game. I don't know if its lack of budget or what, but Obs games are NEVER polish. For god sake spend sometime debugging...

[Kabraxis]

Same problem for me here and no effect after changing the ini-files.

 

As soon as I change to controller, everything is fine (well, no, Y-Axis for Movement is inverted, it's not a 360-controller).

[Alvin Nelson]

I noticed a post on the youtube page:

I solved this by changing;

MinSmoothedFrameRate to 20

MaxSmoothedFrameRate to 30

I tried all the other recommended ini alterations but they didn't help. This however, has stopped all stuttering except for the occasional load hitch.

 

have you tried this yet?

[Kabraxis]

It works. o.O

 

I undid all changes in the ini files (most important is this one I think: bSmoothFrameRate=TRUE) and then I set these two SmoothedFrameRate values to 20 and 30 - and it works fine.

I think with a controller is still a bit smoother (maybe imagination), but it's fine though.

 

A huge Thank You to you and the youtube user.

[fuZZ]

nice work alvin... how about getting those tech support forums up and running??? NOT HARD

[Alvin Nelson]

ha, if only i was a forum moderator. Glad that i could help though!

[Kabraxis]

Thanks again.

 

Just wanted to add:

Yes, it was imagination that it still runs smoother with a controller.

I'm happy.

[fuZZ]

ha, if only i was a forum moderator. Glad that i could help though!

 

a dev who is not a mod/admin on forum... times must be hard at obsidian?

 

mods move your asses we have many tech questions here and no tech forum???

Edited May 28, 2010 by fuZZ

[Mithaldu]

have you tried this yet?

Yes. Doesn't help much. The skipping is a tiny bit less frequent now, but much stronger instead.

 

Want me to upload a video with those settings?

 

Kabraxis must be in the tutorial zone still.

 

Can you tell us anything about whether you're planning to patch this? Or should i take your skipping of that subject to mean that you don't plan to patch it?

Edited May 28, 2010 by Mithaldu

[Enoch]

Or should i take your skipping of that subject to mean that you don't plan to patch it?

Most likely, it means that he's not the person who gets to make that call.

[Mithaldu]

Most likely, it means that he's not the person who gets to make that call.

That's fine if he isn't. I'm just a good bit annoyed because i paid 50 bucks for an unplayable game and want to know if being patient and waiting for a patch is worth it or whether i should go get a refund right now.

[SickOfThisBS]

"bSmoothFrameRate" and it's corresponding values MaxSmoothedFrameRate and MinSmoothedFrameRate work as a frame limiter.

 

The mouse acceleration is less apparent the lower your frame rate is limited, but the problem still persists as the frame rate fluctuates.

 

So this is not a true solution.

 

Disabling bEnableMouseSmoothing would solve the problem completely but it's hard coded.

[Kabraxis]

have you tried this yet?

Yes. Doesn't help much. The skipping is a tiny bit less frequent now, but much stronger instead.

 

Want me to upload a video with those settings?

 

Kabraxis must be in the tutorial zone still.

 

Can you tell us anything about whether you're planning to patch this? Or should i take your skipping of that subject to mean that you don't plan to patch it?

 

Yes.. that's right. I'm in the tutorial zone. :/

[Red Mundus]

Not to accuse anyone but perhaps this is the reason?

 

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/945402-alph...otocol/54965488

 

Because that would probably do it...

 

(I'm having Titan Quest falshbacks here.)

 

Also apologies to mods if the link shouldn't be posted due to subject.

[Mithaldu]

Hm. I do have it from Steam, maybe they messed up in changing the DRM for it.

 

Edit: For anyone thinking about it, the fixed crack doesn't help either, i just tried.

Edited May 28, 2010 by Mithaldu

[Red Mundus]

Mithaldu, in regards to Steam all I can think of is verify the files or worst-case re-install (Oh God, the bandwidth!).

 

Alternately, off the top of my head: re-install GPU drivers, defrag or if you really want to go the whole nine yards re-format.

[Morgoth]

Strange I never had any problems with the mouse. Using the mouse for hacking was a bit wonky, but feasable. Maybe try turning Vsynch off?

[Mithaldu]

Strange I never had any problems with the mouse. Using the mouse for hacking was a bit wonky, but feasable. Maybe try turning Vsynch off?

How powerful is your machine? I have the suspicion that the problem is less apparent on slow machines. Also, yeah, i went through the whole song and dance with all possible vsync options.

 

 

Mithaldu, in regards to Steam all I can think of is verify the files or worst-case re-install (Oh God, the bandwidth!).

 

Alternately, off the top of my head: re-install GPU drivers, defrag or if you really want to go the whole nine yards re-format.

It's not an issue with my machine. I have ~50 games of various ages installed and they all run fine. Additionally the problem is corroborated by MANY pc gamers. This is an issue with the game.

Edited May 28, 2010 by Mithaldu

[SickOfThisBS]

Just a note..the VSync option in game does nothing. It's broken. You have to set UseVSync=False manually in APEngine.ini

[Kabraxis]

In the meanwhile I finished the tutorial zone and my first missions and I still don't have any problems, since changing the SmoothFrameMinimum (to 20) and Maximum(to 30) (while mouse smoothing is active). VSync ist set to TRUE.

The mouse only begins stucking again, when I record a video while playing (so probably if the framerate sinks below 20).

 

I do also own the Steam version of the game. But... why should DRM only break mouse input, and not controller input? That's not the problem I think.