RapeLay

[jaguars4ever]

The game begins with a teenage girl on a subway platform. She notices you are looking at her and asks, "Can I help you with something?"

That is when you, the player, can choose your method of assault.

With the click of your mouse, you can grope her and lift her skirt. Then you can follow her aboard the train, assaulting her sister and her mother.

As you continue to play, "friends" join in and in a series of graphic, interactive scenes, you can corner the women, rape them again and again.

The game allows you to even impregnate a girl and urge her to have an abortion. The reason behind your assault, explains the game, is that the teenage girl has accused you of molesting her on the train. The motive is revenge.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/3...dex.html?hpt=C2

 

A gaming protagonist with an actual and believable motive? That's pretty rare these days.

 

So what do you think guys? The lot of you complain about "open-ended freedom", well, you've got it. Choice & consequences? Check, & check. Even children are no longer safe (much to the delight of FO1 fans no doubt!).

 

Or do you think we've pushed the dolphin to the climactic point where spelunker aficionados must submit themselves to the penal system?

[Tigranes]

I'm not sure what your point is. If you're trying to make an ironic point then you've got no ground to stand on, if you're asking where does this game sit in the spectrum of acceptability, well, answer should be obvious.

 

*shrug* Of course, everyone's response to RapeLay is "those screwed up Japanese wtih their screwed up fantasies", but I actually see all this idiocy with boobie cards and XBOX achievements for bagging a chick as the same thing. Some Japs just took it further earlier than the Americans/etc.

[RPGmasterBoo]

The people who reported this are only two decades late to the hentai game party. Where were they up till now?

 

Half of hentai is rape, submission and pedophilia. When you allow that sort of crap to become as regular and accepted as it has become over the years how can you expect anyone to take these "hey what's going on?" articles seriously?

 

Personally I'd ban all manga imports, hentai along with everything else for reasons of being artistically worthless at best, offensive at worst - but that's just me. At least they should ban hentai. European pornographic comics at least have some artistic value: Druuna, Milo Manara's work etc.

 

Obviously one can still get them over the internet, but at least they wouldn't be easily available to the general public.

[Mamoulian War]

I do think that every MATURE person has enough intelligence to judge, if this sort of entertainment is suited for him or not, and does not need any government oversight over his enterntainment decisions. And I do think that every MATURE person has enough intelligence to keep his own children away from such sort of entertainment, and does not need any government oversight over his parental decisions.

[HoonDing]

I hope nobody gets it in their minds to LARP this game. But considering games like this one are even made...

 

What's next? A Concentration Camp Manager?

[Tigranes]

Personally I'd ban all manga imports, hentai along with everything else for reasons of being artistically worthless at best, offensive at worst - but that's just me. At least they should ban hentai. European pornographic comics at least have some artistic value: Druuna, Milo Manara's work etc.

 

Take out hentai and you still have a lot of equally damaging and disgusting things available to the Western porn purveyors, I would suspect. Besides, how do you know there aren't any Japanese pornographic comics with 'artistic value'? You're falling prey to a very narrow and restricted viewpoint about what's coming out of Japan based on the same media reports you deride.

 

I just think there is a really skewed perspective out there that says, Japanese are just screwed up perverts, that really ignores what in fact is a very general and very universal spectrum of sexuality and sexual pleasure that is one of the key components of modern Western media.

[mkreku]

T...you can corner the women, rape them again and again.

...but I actually see all this idiocy with boobie cards and XBOX achievements for bagging a chick as the same thing.

You're falling prey to a very narrow and restricted viewpoint...

I don't even know where to begin!!

 

Are you trying to break some sort of record here, Tigranes?

[RPGmasterBoo]

Personally I'd ban all manga imports, hentai along with everything else for reasons of being artistically worthless at best, offensive at worst - but that's just me. At least they should ban hentai. European pornographic comics at least have some artistic value: Druuna, Milo Manara's work etc.

 

Take out hentai and you still have a lot of equally damaging and disgusting things available to the Western porn purveyors, I would suspect. Besides, how do you know there aren't any Japanese pornographic comics with 'artistic value'? You're falling prey to a very narrow and restricted viewpoint about what's coming out of Japan based on the same media reports you deride.

 

I just think there is a really skewed perspective out there that says, Japanese are just screwed up perverts, that really ignores what in fact is a very general and very universal spectrum of sexuality and sexual pleasure that is one of the key components of modern Western media.

 

I was just stating my intense dislike for anything manga. I've never read a good manga, and I've read a pile of them. As for hentai, I've never seen anything that wasn't utter rubbish in every possible way. The point of good erotic comics is for the most part well drawn naked bodies and that's something manga sucks at.

 

As for there being other things worse than hentai, sure there are plenty - but one less can't hurt no? Although since almost all porn, tolerable or not, is digitalized - its all a fools errand, as even the article plainly points out.

[Gorgon]

Commentators some times stress the emasculation of the Japanese man following the humiliation of WW2, or more to the point the empowerment of the Japanese woman to explain away the extreme end of the manga offerings. Rape is about power they say, and these cases constitute a rather pathetic attempt to reclaim it.

[Gorgon]

Maybe it's about the censorship. The idea is that they never really got to grips with porn because they aren't allowed to show any 'bits', and they compensate with over the top weirdness.

[Humodour]

I'm not sure what your point is. If you're trying to make an ironic point then you've got no ground to stand on, if you're asking where does this game sit in the spectrum of acceptability, well, answer should be obvious.

 

*shrug* Of course, everyone's response to RapeLay is "those screwed up Japanese wtih their screwed up fantasies", but I actually see all this idiocy with boobie cards and XBOX achievements for bagging a chick as the same thing. Some Japs just took it further earlier than the Americans/etc.

 

OK, get over the fact that it was made by some Japs and pretend it was Yanks. Still acceptable to you now?

 

Assuming you think it's acceptable - I might be miscomprehending.

[Gorth]

Makes you wonder what kinder of people find any thrills in playing a loser. Considering that your average rapist is a youngish male, often lonely, insecure in his "manhood" and a general failure in life (i.e. no control over their lives). That is probably why games where you play "winner" types have more appeal.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

To be honest, this is probably not the only game like this. A lot of japanese games are like this.

[Tigranes]

I don't even know where to begin!!

 

Are you trying to break some sort of record here, Tigranes?

 

OK, I can see how that sounds retarded. I still have a long way to go to beat records though.

 

To clarify, of course it's not the 'same thing', they're as much the same thing as murder & two babies fighting over the toy truck. I'm just saying hentai/rapelay/etc gets the kind of derision and criticism it justly deserves... but only because it's from a different culture and it's so extreme. Maybe that makes more sense? That might answer Krezack too.

[~Di]

Boobie cards of willing sexual partners (although idiotic and puerile) is NOT the same as the rape and torture of strangers. Of course I don't find games promoting, even rewarding the rape and assault of women to be acceptable. It's not just "adult" entertainment; it's nothing more than pornography. Should animated pornography appealing to those who fantacize about rape and torture be illegal? Probably not, although it wouldn't break my heart if it were. Should it be acceptable? Definitely not.

 

I imagine this game and Japanese hentai in general is probably illegal in a good many countries. Can't say I personally think that manuals depicting the rape and torture of women and children should be allowed in any civilized society, but when you start banning animated "porn", then you've opened the door to banning games/books that depict murder, mayhem, eventually any illegal act. So although I'm disgusted by the kind of mind that would find this game "fun", I'd be leery of that slipperly slope when dealing with animated or drawn material.

Edited March 31, 2010 by ~Di

[Gorgon]

Boobie cards of willing sexual partners (although idiotic and puerile) is NOT the same as the rape and torture of strangers. Of course I don't find games promoting, even rewarding the rape and assault of women to be acceptable. It's not just "adult" entertainment; it's nothing more than pornography.

Surely it's a lot worse. Pornography, whatever you think about how women are portrayed in 99% of it, does not show 'real' rape or come across with the message that it is acceptable, or indeed make the rapist into the hero of the story. Well maybe it does but then it probably is illegal most places.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman

I dunno, I just think the thought process behind something like the above disgusts me more than the circus act that is pornography ever could.

 

And as always reality triumphs fiction : http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_...icle1019963.ece

Does one cause the other, well that's really hard to say but there seems to have developed a very unhealthy culture which has not been sufficiency challenged, whether legally or otherwise. These jokers got away with it for a long time.

Edited March 31, 2010 by Gorgon

[Hell Kitty]

Take out hentai and you still have a lot of equally damaging and disgusting things available to the Western porn purveyors, I would suspect. Besides, how do you know there aren't any Japanese pornographic comics with 'artistic value'? You're falling prey to a very narrow and restricted viewpoint about what's coming out of Japan based on the same media reports you deride.

 

Indeed. The reason so many Westerners think the most unusual and extreme Japanese porn is indicative of all Japanese porn is because the most unusual and extreme stuff is what Westerners are interested in. They make enough "vanilla" porn of their own to be interested in censored Japanese stuff.

[Humodour]

That might answer Krezack too.

 

Nope. What would be your response if this were an American game?

[Gromnir]

Personally I'd ban all manga imports, hentai along with everything else for reasons of being artistically worthless at best, offensive at worst - but that's just me. At least they should ban hentai. European pornographic comics at least have some artistic value: Druuna, Milo Manara's work etc.

 

 

I just think there is a really skewed perspective out there that says, Japanese are just screwed up perverts, that really ignores what in fact is a very general and very universal spectrum of sexuality and sexual pleasure that is one of the key components of modern Western media.

 

straw man. am doubting that most folks here, or else-wheres, believe that the Japanese (all-inclusive) are "screwed up perverts."

 

nevertheless, compared to the typical westerner's outlook, the Japanese cultural pov regarding rape, incest and pedophilia IS different. the Japanese salaryman recognizes that rape, incest and pedophilia is socially unacceptable, but he is not offended or revolted by their depiction to the degree that Di is. the salaryman will, in public, agree with Di that rape is a reprehensible crime, and pedophilia is abominable, but his genuine/private thoughts on such matters he will not share... just as he will not share with you what he were really doing on his "business" trip to singapore or bangkok.

 

to ignore the cultural differences o' the folks from Nippon would be no less ignorant than stereotyping 'em as perverts.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Tigranes]

Nope. What would be your response if this were an American game? tongue.gif

 

I never said this was acceptable. I'm not disputing whether Rapelay might be acceptable, i'm looking at the inconsistencies and differences between the media's/our response to these things. Again it's about a spectrum of sexuality. Following on from HK, we get a disproportionate level of attention to the extremities of Japanese pornography because it is extreme, and because it is Japanese. I don't think what I'm saying is particularly controversial, it's not like I'm saying it would be okay if it were American (thereby rendering your query irrelevant). I kind of said this in a particularly stupid way before, though.

[Mamoulian War]

It still amazes me, how many people have problems with a rapist as a hero of the game, but mass murderer is ok...

 

both are illegal activities, but one is frowned upon and other is praised by the western media...

 

hypocrisy at it's finest...

 

 

 

disclaimer: this does not mean in any way that i condone raping, nor murdering...

[Gorth]

both are illegal activities, but one is frowned upon and other is praised by the western media...

 

hypocrisy at it's finest...

How many games are there really out there, where you are a heroic mass murderer, killing because you like to inflict suffering (the "Postal" games are the only ones I know from top of my head). Most other seems to offer some justification, a 'cause' if you want, that to some degree rationalises your violence. I.e. fight this or fight that, liberate something or somebody. "Murder" games, "Rape" games, whatever plays on different emotions and less easy to accept motivations.

 

Edit: I do not count Carmageddon among them, because I enjoy running over pedestrians

[Humodour]

Following on from HK, we get a disproportionate level of attention to the extremities of Japanese pornography because it is extreme, and because it is Japanese.

 

I'll take your word for it, because it's sure news to me.

 

I'm pretty sure that a large portion of Japanese people would be just as offended by this game as we are.

[Flouride]

I think we are missing the point here: Is it available on Steam?

 

On a more serious note, didn't Japanese goverment induct some sort of ban on these so called rapegames last year?

[Mamoulian War]

both are illegal activities, but one is frowned upon and other is praised by the western media...

 

hypocrisy at it's finest...

How many games are there really out there, where you are a heroic mass murderer, killing because you like to inflict suffering (the "Postal" games are the only ones I know from top of my head). Most other seems to offer some justification, a 'cause' if you want, that to some degree rationalises your violence. I.e. fight this or fight that, liberate something or somebody. "Murder" games, "Rape" games, whatever plays on different emotions and less easy to accept motivations.

 

Edit: I do not count Carmageddon among them, because I enjoy running over pedestrians

 

If I wanted to be very extreme, I would compare some of the justifications of the murdering in somewestern games as appealing as justifications of Soviet soldiers invading at the end of WW2 into Germany and raping their womans... Both has revenge as justification...