Healthcare in America

[Hurlshort]

If you don't like it you can go to Canada--oh, wait!

 

I don't think Mexico has government health care. There is an option.

[Enoch]

IMO, we need to be ready for a significant drop in our standards of medical care now that we will have to cater to the lowest common denominator, namely whoever is offering the cheapest deal to the government.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that this legislation would involve the government in purchasing medical care. It relaxes the standards for people to qualify for Medicaid somewhat, and sets up exchanges that people can use to pool risk and negotiate with private insurers to cover all of them, but doesn't actually set up new programs for federal purchasing of medical care and services.

[Hurlshort]

To be fair to Gfted, the misinformation out there is simply astounding.

[Aram]

If you don't like it you can go to Canada--oh, wait!

 

I don't think Mexico has government health care. There is an option.

I still got a ranch across the border. There's a nice place - a real nice place... trees... grass... water. There's a cabin half built. A man could live there... and a woman. And sick people have the decency to die instead of askin' fer handouts. Will you go with me?

[Wrath of Dagon]

IMO, we need to be ready for a significant drop in our standards of medical care now that we will have to cater to the lowest common denominator, namely whoever is offering the cheapest deal to the government.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that this legislation would involve the government in purchasing medical care. It relaxes the standards for people to qualify for Medicaid somewhat, and sets up exchanges that people can use to pool risk and negotiate with private insurers to cover all of them, but doesn't actually set up new programs for federal purchasing of medical care and services.

The exchanges will be overseen by the government, and government is "purchasing" in a way as they are subsidizing premiums. IMO, to achieve cost control there will have to be rationing, either through this bill or in future bill. As far as spending, we're so far underwater already this is like adding a tea cup to a pool.

 

GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN: No government-run insurance plan. People purchasing coverage through the new insurance exchanges would have the option of signing up for national plans overseen by the federal office that manages the health plans available to members of Congress. Those plans would be private, but one would have to be nonprofit.

From the link I posted earlier. Edited March 22, 2010 by Wrath of Dagon

[Gfted1]

I don't know where you're getting the idea that this legislation would involve the government in purchasing medical care. It relaxes the standards for people to qualify for Medicaid somewhat, and sets up exchanges that people can use to pool risk and negotiate with private insurers to cover all of them, but doesn't actually set up new programs for federal purchasing of medical care and services.

 

This TRILLION dollar taxation has to be paying for something. What is it? Standards and exchanges dont cost a TRILLION dollars. So, what it will do it completely subsidize those that cant pay. Where will these people go for heathcare? To the clinics/hospitals that have been strong-armed into accepting whatever amount the goverment deems it will pay.

 

I still got a ranch across the border. There's a nice place - a real nice place... trees... grass... water. There's a cabin half built. A man could live there... and a woman. And sick people have the decency to die instead of askin' fer handouts. Will you go with me?

 

Hell yeah, sounds dreamy. Hopefully they also understand that charity shouldnt be forced.

[kirottu]

Poor people don

[Aram]

They believe in freedom, and a world without no stinking badges.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Poor people don

[lord of flies]

Don't pretend like this is some "step forward" for the American people. It isn't. It's an awful bill that's practically a step back. Hope you like paying taxes if you don't buy private health care! Woop woop!

 

America is great: brutal imperialism that protects the national interests of themselves and other white people countries, awful pseudo-democracy and the worst public care system that first-world capitalism has to offer.

[Hurlshort]

America is great:

 

That was refreshing.

[Vilhelm]

Just imagine how this bill could be tons better if the United States congress wasn't half-full of reactionaries.

Edited March 22, 2010 by Vilhelm

[Gorgon]

Yes, in fact it's a whopping 9600000 sq.km or thereabouts.

[Wrath of Dagon]

We should sit on the rest of you.

[Gfted1]

WooHoo:

 

States line up to challenge health care overhaul

 

Mar 22, 1:25 PM (ET)

 

By DENISE LAVOIE

 

States are already lining up to sue the federal government over the constitutionality of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

 

Officials in at least 10 states have agreed to file a lawsuit challenging the legislation.

 

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said he planned to file the complaint "the moment Obama signs the bill."

 

Abbott pledged to pursue the case "to protect all Texans' constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation's founders and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government."

 

Other states planning to challenge the bill were Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Pennsylvania, Utah and Washington.

 

Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning said the measure "tramples on individual liberty and dumps on the states the burden of an unfunded mandate that taxpayers cannot afford."

 

Bruning, a Republican, is president of the National Association of Attorneys General. His statement did not explain why he believes the bill is unconstitutional. But other attorneys general have said it violates state sovereignty by mandating that all Americans have some form of health insurance.

 

The House voted 219-212 late Sunday to approve the overhaul, which would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans and make a host of other changes. Obama could sign the bill as early as Tuesday.

[Hurlshort]

Sounds very productive.

[Pidesco]

How in the hell does fixing a broken leg cost 80000 dollars in medical fees?

[Gfted1]

Well see, he left out one minor detail of having to have surgery and having a titanium rod placed in his leg from knee to ankle.

[Pidesco]

Well see, he left out one minor detail of having to have surgery and having a titanium rod placed in his leg from knee to ankle.

 

80000 dollars is still way too much. Unless they replaced the leg with a golden one with studded diamonds and breasts.

[Hurlshort]

Well see, he left out one minor detail of having to have surgery and having a titanium rod placed in his leg from knee to ankle.

 

80000 dollars is still way too much. Unless they replaced the leg with a golden one with studded diamonds and breasts.

 

Go big or go home. I really doubt the materials are the problem in terms of cost, the rod could not have been much more than $1k. In fact I get it out in a few months, I hope I get to keep it!

 

A night at a hospital can run you $10-20k even without surgery. There are major problems with health care costs in this country. This bill doesn't fix that, but it could open the door to further reform.

[kirottu]

A night at a hospital can run you $10-20k even without surgery.

 

Suddenly "Night Shift Nurses" hentai makes lot more sense.

[Aram]

I still have to wonder why, if the democrats could pass a bill with absolute zero percent Republican approval, why they didn't just do so with the non-gimped and watered down bill they started with. Only in America could a bill that hands billions in profits to our most powerful corporations be seen as a radical leap towards socialism.

[Pidesco]

Well see, he left out one minor detail of having to have surgery and having a titanium rod placed in his leg from knee to ankle.

 

80000 dollars is still way too much. Unless they replaced the leg with a golden one with studded diamonds and breasts.

 

Go big or go home. I really doubt the materials are the problem in terms of cost, the rod could not have been much more than $1k. In fact I get it out in a few months, I hope I get to keep it!

 

A night at a hospital can run you $10-20k even without surgery. There are major problems with health care costs in this country. This bill doesn't fix that, but it could open the door to further reform.

 

 

So a night at a hospital costs more than a night at the Waldorf Astoria with everything available from room service plus hookers and blow? Freaky.

[Killian Kalthorne]

The schism of this bill and among other issues is why I believe this nation, and we as a people, would be better off if we broke ourselves up into smaller nations.

[Gorgon]

Well it's change isn't it, that's what they voted for. America is growing up, slowly reforming and becoming a responsible adult, moving out of the dark ages and the 'every man for himself' mentality. Growing pains are to be expected.

Edited March 22, 2010 by Gorgon