Raithe Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Mordin kept being the only one that died until I used him to take the Crew back.. Of course, then I used Zaeed to lead the second squad and he died.. I did manage to juggle it so no-one died.. but I do get a feeling there's some really finnicky reasons for people dying on the Collector Base... "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 There is a chance that the tech character will die regardless, its random. I heard he/she gets hit by a missile or something. Replay the mission and it probably wont happen. Think they only die if they're not "loyal" or aren't a tech expert. Jacob bought it that way during my first playthrough, other two I went with a loyal Tali and she made it. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaesun Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Tali and/or Legion at Loyal should not die, as the tech expert. Has worked for me in 2 playthroughs. On my third now. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majek Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well Legion died my first time. I had everyone loyal. So it must have been the leader if anything. 1.13 killed off Ja2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I've had everyone loyal and still people died.... So it's got to be as much who you choose to go on which teams beyond just having them loyal or not.. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Tali and/or Legion at Loyal should not die, as the tech expert. Has worked for me in 2 playthroughs. On my third now. They're survival depends on the leader of the other squad also though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 You do gotta have somebody who can lead actually lead... if that made sense. Somebody who has led before will probably do well (I'd guess the only two who really fit that would be Garrus and the chick who's name just disappeared from my head. When she lead the team on the second split, she appeared to get shot and just looked up saying "I'm ok" after the door closed... seems kinda stupid to me but *shrugs* Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Mordin kept being the only one that died until I used him to take the Crew back.. Of course, then I used Zaeed to lead the second squad and he died.. I did manage to juggle it so no-one died.. but I do get a feeling there's some really finnicky reasons for people dying on the Collector Base... am genuine baffled by the frequency with which others experienced mordin death. Gromnir never had mordin die and we played finale a couple o' times. never had mordin do the escort mission. the wacky thing is that our end-boss party were only the second time in the entire game we utilized miranda, grunt and Gromnir, and the reason we chose grunt were due to a misconception. based on grunt health numbers and regen, we figured that he would last longer than any other possible teammate... and he also had the squad variety o' inferno ammo. after we finished game we heard all sorta complaints 'bout grunt and his seeming suicide tactics. we brought miranda along because she had access to max warp and her cerberus leader power. ... was not our most effective party. in any event, am not certain what it is that triggers mordin death. he were loyal, but we didn't always agree with him in conversations... typcialy we criticized his involvement with genophage. we didn't have maxed tech damage upgrades, but we did have maxed smg. had 7 medi-gel 'stead of 8... and am pretty sure we were 4/5 for damage reduction. we did have all ship upgrades... including a useless 50k platinum expenditure for the medical bay improvement. *shrug* HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 You do gotta have somebody who can lead actually lead... if that made sense. Somebody who has led before will probably do well (I'd guess the only two who really fit that would be Garrus and the chick who's name just disappeared from my head. When she lead the team on the second split, she appeared to get shot and just looked up saying "I'm ok" after the door closed... seems kinda stupid to me but *shrugs* I get the feeling that if she's not loyal she'd actually be shot at that point. I had Zaeed lead the second team once, (thought the whole, veteran mercenary, battlefield expert would count for leading teams) and he came through that door, leaned against it almost exactly like Miranda does, then falls over dead gasping out "shields went down at the last minute" or something to that effect. (and yes, he was even loyal at the time). "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 There is a chance that the tech character will die regardless, its random. I heard he/she gets hit by a missile or something. Replay the mission and it probably wont happen. Wasn't talking about the vent mission. I was talking about a random death after the end boss. Non-loyal squaddies seem to have a chance of dying here, but I have no idea what triggers what person to die. All I know is that it's decided sometime before the actual boss fight because restarting the fight has no effect. Calax: Garrus, Miranda and Jacob are all suitable for the leadership position. And the shot is fatal if the person is not loyal or not leadership material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Curiosity got the better of me, so I broke down and bought this game yesterday (despite being appalled by the quality of the first one). I am going to miss out on "previous saves" of course, but no biggie I suppose. Ye gods the interface is badly designed for PC's “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Curiosity got the better of me, so I broke down and bought this game yesterday (despite being appalled by the quality of the first one). I am going to miss out on "previous saves" of course, but no biggie I suppose. Ye gods the interface is badly designed for PC's Miss out on save games you say? Last I checked, they had over 100 saves there. Edited February 11, 2010 by Deraldin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Curiosity got the better of me, so I broke down and bought this game yesterday (despite being appalled by the quality of the first one). I am going to miss out on "previous saves" of course, but no biggie I suppose. Ye gods the interface is badly designed for PC's Miss out on save games you say? Last I checked, they had over 100 saves there. Thanks, but I think I am just going to play the "vanilla" game first. I went through the prologue and made my way to Omega. I like those dystopian style environments Edit: I don't suppose there is a place I can sell my less than visually pleasing Blood Dragon armour for something useful? I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that one... “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 There is a chance that the tech character will die regardless, its random. I heard he/she gets hit by a missile or something. Replay the mission and it probably wont happen. Wasn't talking about the vent mission. I was talking about a random death after the end boss. Non-loyal squaddies seem to have a chance of dying here, but I have no idea what triggers what person to die. All I know is that it's decided sometime before the actual boss fight because restarting the fight has no effect. Calax: Garrus, Miranda and Jacob are all suitable for the leadership position. And the shot is fatal if the person is not loyal or not leadership material. we played through with a couple variations, but we is certain that the following gots everybody home safe: legion for tech specialist jack for biotic shielding garus as 2nd team squad leader... multiple times jacob as the guy to escort normandy crew miranda and grunt as fellow party members for end battle all ship upgrades. all recruits = loyal near 100% paragon points (have no idea if this makes a difference) if you do same and mordin not survive... *shrug* HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Curiosity got the better of me, so I broke down and bought this game yesterday (despite being appalled by the quality of the first one). I am going to miss out on "previous saves" of course, but no biggie I suppose. Ye gods the interface is badly designed for PC's Miss out on save games you say? Last I checked, they had over 100 saves there. Thanks, but I think I am just going to play the "vanilla" game first. I went through the prologue and made my way to Omega. I like those dystopian style environments Basically all you need is a paragon save, since the game auto-selects all the renegade choices for you. I'm sure you'll give in to it at some point. Edited February 11, 2010 by WILL THE ALMIGHTY "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 For the slightly random thing.. How many things have people noticed that should be affected by ME1 playthroughs? (beyond the main storyline aspects of Wrex/Ashley/Kaidan dead or not, Rachni queen alive or dead, Council save or not).. I mean Conrad Venner acts as if renegade option was chosen, (even though I went paragon on him). The Asari Consort mission was done to save her reputation, and yet there are the news stories about her having to leave the Citadel due to leaking information... I ran into Helena Blake doing social work on Omega.. The Asari scientist I told on Virmire to "run if you can, because I'm about to nuke this place) turns up with the amusing "I saw it was you, so I turned the security cameras off..now I'm about to run before you nuke this place"... How many other aspects have people noticed? and how many seem to go with the choices made in ME1? "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 For the slightly random thing.. How many things have people noticed that should be affected by ME1 playthroughs? (beyond the main storyline aspects of Wrex/Ashley/Kaidan dead or not, Rachni queen alive or dead, Council save or not).. I mean Conrad Venner acts as if renegade option was chosen, (even though I went paragon on him). The Asari Consort mission was done to save her reputation, and yet there are the news stories about her having to leave the Citadel due to leaking information... I ran into Helena Blake doing social work on Omega.. The Asari scientist I told on Virmire to "run if you can, because I'm about to nuke this place) turns up with the amusing "I saw it was you, so I turned the security cameras off..now I'm about to run before you nuke this place"... How many other aspects have people noticed? and how many seem to go with the choices made in ME1? the conrad thing were a bit puzzling as am certain that we were nice to him. shalia (sp?) the asari we spared on theros is met on ilium giana parasini gives us a little peck on cheek in me2 saw fist in afterlife bar meet reporter (al-jilani(sp?)) and take her down a peg for a second time. save the council and made anderson a council member... kinda regretted saving the council in retrospect. ashley were still dead in me2... we were pursuing a romance with her and then let her die. emails made up much o' me1 crossover content, but we only recall a handful. got narali's body back for saresh (sp?) received email we didn't read. corporal toombs displeased that we is working with cerberus... email we partial read. etc. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaesun Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 saw fist in afterlife bar Interesting, I ALWAYS bring Wrex with me, when we go after Fist in Me1, I love the extra scene. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Never saw him, doubt he has much to say. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Yeah, I'm not gonna find Fist... Ever... Wrex manages to tag along everywhere once I get him... Which is to say, immediately... In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Just finished the game. While not eprfect (there's flaws but I won't spoil); but oevralla wesoemly done. Everything went perfectly first time through with no deaths. Still, even thoguh I was mostly confident, I gotta say there were times where BIO gave enough teasing drama that i thoguht a companion would die and I was biting my nails and 8crossing my finegrs* hoping they'd pull through. I wish the final final end was a little longer. Need more meat on that tease, BIO... Now to Jack.... Still hate her with a passion; but I love the way she said her favorite word right at the end of her loyalty mission. Just the way the voice actress delivered it. L0L Now to Legion. Friggin' awesome. I friggin' LOVE geth. If he is telling the truth, wow, I love them big time. He's top 5 if not top 3 ME2 characetr easily despite the fact I only had him form his mission + the end sequence. HAHAHA! Great game but with some MAJOR faults. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaesun Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Yeah, Legion was also one of my favorites. Sad you get him SO late in the game. He also has voiced comments if you do bring him on other missions with you, granted then your crew will all die, but one. heh I've always wondered if there is epic lulz if you bring Tali on Legion's Loyalty mission. Going to do that this play-through. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) I've always wondered if there is epic lulz if you bring Tali on Legion's Loyalty mission. Going to do that this play-through. Yep, there is. Well ok, not sure the hell 'epic lulz' is, but it is noticed. Edited February 11, 2010 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaesun Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I've always wondered if there is epic lulz if you bring Tali on Legion's Loyalty mission. Going to do that this play-through. Yep, there is. Well ok, not sure the hell 'epic lulz' is, but it is noticed. ok cool thanks! I mean seriously... she of all people, should have QUITE a bit of comments... on that particular mission. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Beer Effect: 1. Get to the local bar and chat up some asari matriarch 2. pretend you're listening to her 1000-year long life story while you hit the bottle, hard 3. ???? 4. PROFIT!!! - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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