Walsingham Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8435955.stm A US study of 12 to 18-year-olds found those with bedtimes after midnight were 24% more likely to have depression than those who went to bed before 2200. And those who slept fewer than five hours a night had a 71% higher risk of depression than those who slept eight hours, the journal Sleep reports. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I thought that had been established many years ago. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 I thought that had been established many years ago. Maybe so, but the members may not be aware of it. Personally I found that sleep deprivation and stress/depression coexist in a spiral pattern. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 How about irregular sleep patterns. I do tend to get 6 to 8 hours a sleep a day, but it is in 4 to 2 hour spurts. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 How about irregular sleep patterns. I do tend to get 6 to 8 hours a sleep a day, but it is in 4 to 2 hour spurts. As I understand it teh body needs 'cool down' time to get to stages 3 and 4 of sleep which do you the most good. I'd have thought 2 hours was too short to do any good. The army insist we have a minimum of 4 in an unbroken stretch. But then, with respect for your misfortunes, you do suffer from depression. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Yeah, I nag my middle schoolers about this all the time. It amazes me how many are up after midnight on school nights. I can't even function without 7 hours of sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I do not suffer from depression,. I got a computer that can run my games. That makes me happy. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junai Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Pff... all those studies, How about we turn it around and say that those who are depressed tend to go to bed later instead? J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Yeah, I nag my middle schoolers about this all the time. It amazes me how many are up after midnight on school nights. I can't even function without 7 hours of sleep. Ugh, tell me about it. Two years back I would go out drinking six nights a week, if I try that now I need one of those narcolepsy helmets because after three days of not catching a full night of sleep I will just start falling asleep randomly anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I slept for 11 hours last night. One of the few perks of recovering from illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I slept for 11 hours last night. One of the few perks of recovering from illness. I slept for 4 hours last night, then spent the day with extended family. The first hour after I get up is usually pretty horrible no matter how much sleep I get, but after that I'm good to go pretty much all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aram Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Correlation doesn't equal causation. It's equally likely that some other influence is causing both the depression and the difficulty sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I go to bed at 3AM and wake up at noon/1PM. Is that healthy? "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theslug Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 my depression doesn't make me an insomniac and it doesn't make me sleep all the time it just makes me feel perpetually tired whether I have 5 hours of sleep or 10 I always feel the same. It's pretty horrible and depressing but hey I'm on meds now though its only 10 mg. Need more drugs. There was a time when I questioned the ability for the schizoid to ever experience genuine happiness, at the very least for a prolonged segment of time. I am no closer to finding the answer, however, it has become apparent that contentment is certainly a realizable goal. I find these results to be adequate, if not pleasing. Unfortunately, connection is another subject entirely. When one has sufficiently examined the mind and their emotional constructs, connection can be easily imitated. More data must be gleaned and further collated before a sufficient judgment can be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I concur with anecdotal evidence for myself a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblarg Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I have to wake up at 6:30 in the morning, so for me at least, sleeping 8 hours is nearly impossible. On a good night, I get to sleep at 11:30 and get 7 hours, and I still feel like crap and sleep through my first class in the morning. "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8435955.stm A US study of 12 to 18-year-olds found those with bedtimes after midnight were 24% more likely to have depression than those who went to bed before 2200. And those who slept fewer than five hours a night had a 71% higher risk of depression than those who slept eight hours, the journal Sleep reports. This is obvious to me from personal experience. Bad sleep patterns like this are also strongly correlated with a wide range of diseases later in life (even after accounting for other factors like fitness, smoking, etc), effectively knocking a decade or two off your lifespan. Edited January 3, 2010 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Correlation doesn't equal causation. The correct phrase is actually "correlation doesn't always equal causation", because it often actually does equal it. It's equally likely that some other influence is causing both the depression and the difficulty sleeping. I highly doubt it. It's well known that lack of sleep, and displaced sleep patterns mess up neurotransmitter levels in the brain (especially serotonin). In fact, serotonin imbalance is why people often get migraines, auras, and tension headaches when their sleep patterns are disrupted. Guess which neurotransmitter is the main one implicated in depression? It would be easy to test whether it's correlation or causation by deliberately depriving a healthy individual of sleep, and I imagine they've already done this. Honestly people who read a brief summary of a study and then spurt out "correlation, not causation" annoy me (and no offence to you, smart arses on Slashdot do it all the time). One thing I will point out is that while it's fairly clear (and this isn't the first study) that sleep deprivation often causes/triggers depression, it isn't the only thing that does so, and thus good sleep patterns (8 to 9 hours each day always in bed before midnight), will always help those who are depressed, that doesn't mean it'll make it go away. I go to bed at 3AM and wake up at noon/1PM. Is that healthy? No, but if you did it consistently (i.e. every day) your body would grow used to it, mitigating the negative effects. I imagine you're like me, though, so I doubt you keep that sleep pattern consistently. You also have an elevated risk of heart attack being awake that late/early in the morning (in the period when the body expects sleep), although that shouldn't bother a healthy individual much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblarg Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Correlation doesn't equal causation. The correct phrase is actually "correlation doesn't always equal causation", because it often actually does equal it. Still wrong. The correct phrase is "correlation does not imply causation." "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Correlation doesn't equal causation. The correct phrase is actually "correlation doesn't always equal causation", because it often actually does equal it. Still wrong. The correct phrase is "correlation does not imply causation." *sigh* Yes. Edited January 3, 2010 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I go to bed at 3AM and wake up at noon/1PM. Is that healthy? The obvious solution would be to move to the west coast. Then you'd be going to sleep at midnight and waking up at 9/10am. Problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblarg Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I go to bed at 3AM and wake up at noon/1PM. Is that healthy? The obvious solution would be to move to the west coast. Then you'd be going to sleep at midnight and waking up at 9/10am. Problem solved! Funny, because that's exactly what I did leading up to a recent trip to Italy. Was sleeping from from 3PM-1AM, it put me right on schedule with the jetlag. "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 Im 100% with Krezzie. Assuming that correlation has noting to do with causation is as bad as always assuming it does mean causation. In this case as he put more eloquently than I would have, there are subsidiary reasons to believe causation due to the role of serotonin in depression and the way serotonin appears to be regulated by sleep. Actually I've been thinking for a while that we should try a depression therapy that consists entirely of aerobic exercise, good healthy food, and good sleep. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Actually I've been thinking for a while that we should try a depression therapy that consists entirely of aerobic exercise, good healthy food, and good sleep. Interestingly the causes for my depression weren't just physical factors, and yet fixing all three of these physical factors you mention cured it. I'm pretty sure physical factors cured it because the underlying mental reasons for being in the depressed state essentially remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 The problem is that therapy costs way to goddamn much. So I am doing it myself by kicking a couple of bad habits of mine, starting with pop. At my worse I was a 12 pack a day pop drinker. It has been 4 days since going cold turkey. By doing this I have drastically dropped my caffiene intake as will all those sugars and corn syrup. I feel weird and have a bit of a headache. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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