Gorgon Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Yes, 'fine', not 'good'. A good bad movie. Star wars also had, I dunno a certain charm that just isn't found in 100% CGI. Avatar did much better than the usual soullessness you find in Toy story/Final fantasy type movies, but there was still too much face time with dorky looking cat people, exacerbated by the fact that you didn't care whether they lived or died. Watching the tree burning scene just reminded me of how much better Apocalypse now was, more than anything I just wished they would get on with it and wipe out the whiny tree huggers. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Meshugger Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Guys, guys, guys. You can literally make a good movie out of anything. Even Roger Ebert agrees with me on this. How the movie does play out is a completely different matter. Besides, lets compare Avatar to another sci-fi movies that were ahead of their times in terms of technology, namely Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell(japanese dub). Which one of those is better or of better quality? Before you answer, remember that Avatar outranks them both by a mile at imdb.com. Edited January 12, 2010 by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Meshugger Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Yes, 'fine', not 'good'. A good bad movie. Star wars also had, I dunno a certain charm that just isn't found in 100% CGI. Avatar did much better than the usual soullessness you find in Toy story/Final fantasy type movies, but there was still too much face time with dorky looking cat people, exacerbated by the fact that you didn't care whether they lived or died. Watching the tree burning scene just reminded me of how much better Apocalypse now was, more than anything I just wished they would get on with it and wipe out the whiny tree huggers. Apocalypse Now is one of the best movies ever made. Probably the best movie ever done about war. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
RPGmasterBoo Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Guys, guys, guys. You can literally make a good movie out of anything. Even Roger Ebert agrees with me on this. How the movie does play out is a completely different matter. Besides, lets compare Avatar to another sci-fi movies that were ahead of their times in terms of technology, namely Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell(japanese dub). Which one of those is better or of better quality? Before you answer, remember that Avatar outranks them both by a mile at imdb.com. Blade Runner wasn't ahead in technology (there are no particularly new special effects in Blade Runner) it was ahead in vision. That's completely different. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Gorgon Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 The book, that would be Heart of Darkness is also about colonialism, and unlike Avatar it actually tries to examine what goes on inside the heads of the colonialists. It didn't care one whit about the 'noble savages' though, but that's Conrad for you. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorgon Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Guys, guys, guys. You can literally make a good movie out of anything. Even Roger Ebert agrees with me on this. How the movie does play out is a completely different matter. Besides, lets compare Avatar to another sci-fi movies that were ahead of their times in terms of technology, namely Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell(japanese dub). Which one of those is better or of better quality? Before you answer, remember that Avatar outranks them both by a mile at imdb.com. So, people at large think Avatar is better than Blade Runner or Ghost in the Shell. Well that settles it, people really are idiots. The evidence is undeniable. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Meshugger Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Guys, guys, guys. You can literally make a good movie out of anything. Even Roger Ebert agrees with me on this. How the movie does play out is a completely different matter. Besides, lets compare Avatar to another sci-fi movies that were ahead of their times in terms of technology, namely Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell(japanese dub). Which one of those is better or of better quality? Before you answer, remember that Avatar outranks them both by a mile at imdb.com. Blade Runner wasn't ahead in technology (there are no particularly new special effects in Blade Runner) it was ahead in vision. That's completely different. Scratch Blade Runner then (awesome movie though, one of my favourites). At least Ghost in the Shell however, had new technology. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Meshugger Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Guys, guys, guys. You can literally make a good movie out of anything. Even Roger Ebert agrees with me on this. How the movie does play out is a completely different matter. Besides, lets compare Avatar to another sci-fi movies that were ahead of their times in terms of technology, namely Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell(japanese dub). Which one of those is better or of better quality? Before you answer, remember that Avatar outranks them both by a mile at imdb.com. So, people at large think Avatar is better than Blade Runner or Ghost in the Shell. Well that settles it, people really are idiots. The evidence is undeniable. Well, idiots is kind of pushing it. I would prefer simple-minded and uncultivated savages. At best ignorant, at worst deliberately ignorant. Like the Na'Vi. Edited January 12, 2010 by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Tigranes Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Ohh, I see. James Cameron did have a subtle and ironic point to make about his audience, after all! Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
Hurlshort Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Wait, did someone call Toy Story soulless? Wow.
Volourn Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Insult Toy Story? How rude. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Humodour Posted January 13, 2010 Author Posted January 13, 2010 usual soullessness you find in Toy story Thanks, I know I can safely ignore all your opinions on movies from now on.
Hassat Hunter Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) Hey. He has a point right? I mean, Pixar is another company that churns out movies without any good plot. All they steal are stories from better works, then ruin them. COMPLETELY soul-less. Ugly CGI too. I mean; who wants to look at that? Eeew. It's a surprise that they aren't bankrupt yet. And why do people go visit their next movie when they know it's even more utter crap? But atleast they are better than Cameron! EDIT: Oh wait, I haven't even posted my own opinions on Avatar here, right? Well, I rather liked it. Sure, the plot is predictable but who cares, it's the execution that does it. Edited January 13, 2010 by Hassat Hunter ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee
Humodour Posted January 13, 2010 Author Posted January 13, 2010 Hey. He has a point right? I mean, Pixar is another company that churns out movies without any good plot. All they steal are stories from better works, then ruin them. COMPLETELY soul-less. Ugly CGI too. I mean; who wants to look at that? Eeew. It's a surprise that they aren't bankrupt yet. And why do people go visit their next movie when they know it's even more utter crap? But atleast they are better than Cameron! Something about this felt off, since Pixar is a brand that says to me "awesome" so I just checked their movies to confirm. Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Wall-E. I'm pretty certain now that you are being sarcastic. :D
Gorgon Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Actually I don't remember anything about Toy Story, maybe it was a bad example. The point being that 100% CGI rarely works out. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Humodour Posted January 13, 2010 Author Posted January 13, 2010 Actually I don't remember anything about Toy Story, maybe it was a bad example. The point being that 100% CGI rarely works out. Because Pixar is filing for bankruptcy, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pixar_films Oh wait, no, they're the most successful movie studio of all time, and all their films are CGI. You are dead to me, Gorgon. Dead!
Gorgon Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 What does their success or otherwise of the company have to do with one of their movies. Are we back to equating business success with quality, I thought we already agreed that that was stupid. I Saw Toy story years ago and fell asleep. I suppose it's possible it might be good, all I know is the seat was comfortable. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorgon Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I should stress unequivocally that I hate all things cute and cuddly, especially in movies. There are some exceptions, but I could count those on one hand. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Humodour Posted January 13, 2010 Author Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) What does their success or otherwise of the company have to do with one of their movies. Are we back to equating business success with quality, I thought we already agreed that that was stupid. You agreed with yourself that it was stupid, sure. You said: "The point being that 100% CGI rarely works out." When all 10 of the movies you've ever made have profit ratios of between 4:1 and 10:1 on their budgets, all score rave reviews on their quality, originality and enjoyability, and are all CGI movies, it becomes evident that something is seriously wrong with your statement, Gorgon. Every single Pixar film was both high-quality AND successful. And they're not all cute and cuddly. Go see The Incredibles, Finding Nemo or Wall-E (OK, so Wall-E was half cute and cuddly, but in a pretty unique way). EDIT: And their upcoming movie is inspired by Hans Christian Andersen and the Brothers Grimm - so I don't think 'cute and cuddly' will be an apt description for it. EDIT 2: on second thought, was Toy Story really all that cute and cuddly? Edited January 13, 2010 by Krezack
Blarghagh Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) Ratatouille is about rats, of all things. And Pixar films always focus on the story and characters first, visuals second. Well, except maybe Cars. Cars was pretty stupid, I think. Edited January 13, 2010 by TrueNeutral
jaguars4ever Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 This was definitely vintage Cameron, and I loved every minute of it. The thing that sets James Cameron (and Ridley Scott) from their peers, is their ability to capture the human drama agmonst all the guns and explosions. Form with substance...now in 3D. What more could you want from a popcorn flick?
Tigranes Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Moving on from doing psych therapies for each other.... Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
Purkake Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I just saw the 3D polarized glass edition. It was a good action/adventure movie, not the greatest movie ever, but certainly enjoyable. I don't really think that 3D made the movie, it was a nice addition, but the real awesome part was all the great CG work. Realistic CG humans are almost here, yay!
Hurlshort Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Up has an insane 98% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, and it is CGI and features an old man, a boy, and a dog. It also made most people cry in the first 20 minutes.
Purkake Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 But did it have gunships blowing stuff up between floating islands? Having good CG doesn't mean your movie will be good.
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