Dragon Age Discussion

[TheHarlequin]

They work fine for me. Maybe the "epic fail" is on your part?

 

Clearly MY fault the AI does not run the tactics slots I set. Isn't this akin to saying well the car I bought works fine, so clearly no other car from that dealer will ever have a problem.

 

Open your eyes kid.

[Purkake]

I'm sorry, but if it works fine for everyone but you, there might be something to it...

 

Also we have identical copies of the game, so get a better analogy.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Purkake

[Oner]

AI does stupid things in my game too, but it ignores player commands, not tactics.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Oner

[alanschu]

I never figured out why some tactics I set in the menu are written in red and not used by the characters. Dog's stunning howl for example.

 

 

Taking a quick look in my game, it seems like red tactics are tactics that have some enemy condition set as the condition. I only looked at it briefly though.

[Purkake]

Well, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones with the non-broken version then?

 

In that case:

 

[Monte Carlo]

Hmm, I'm not having any problems with the tactics slots, unless you counting me not getting < and > the right way round when it comes to glugging potions of course. Sometimes a character will do something irritating, but I'm glad I'm not playing a game on autopilot for a change. I'll reiterate - after NWN2 I seriously forgot what it was like to control a full party.

 

Having said that, you do have to sit down and figure out tactics slots, it isn't particularly intuitive.

 

Cheers

MC

[alanschu]

You sure about that?

 

I just loaded it up right now. Unless the local copy here is different than what went onto the shelves, Default does say that characters will follow.

 

I SHOULDN'T need to hand hold them (at least for this) if I have the #1/2 slots for pots.

 

I agree, and I'm surprised it's not working.

 

Can you do me a favour and take a screenshot of your tactics page?

[Oner]

I never figured out why some tactics I set in the menu are written in red and not used by the characters. Dog's stunning howl for example.

Taking a quick look in my game, it seems like red tactics are tactics that have some enemy condition set as the condition. I only looked at it briefly though.

That doesn't explain wh they don't use them, but thanks anyhow. Edited November 12, 2009 by Oner

[alanschu]

AI does stupid things in my game too, but it ignores player commands, not tactics.

 

 

I found a lot of these issues occurred when I set the party to "hold position" (only for the bigger fights).

 

I'm not 100% sure, but I think movement, particularly with the WASD commands, can trigger the NPCs to follow you.

[Purkake]

Well, I rarely use the hold command and never use WASD in combat, maybe doing that helps?

[Oner]

I wasn't moving. I set Wynne and Leliana to shoot at some archers and was waiting for them to finish/heal them (hold position was on). L didn't shoot, I switched, told her to attack, Wynne stopped shooting. Switched, told W to attack, L stopped shooting. Repeat endlessly.

[Purkake]

Weird, but do they take potions as per the tactics?

[alanschu]

I never figured out why some tactics I set in the menu are written in red and not used by the characters. Dog's stunning howl for example.

Taking a quick look in my game, it seems like red tactics are tactics that have some enemy condition set as the condition. I only looked at it briefly though.

That doesn't explain wh they don't use them, but thanks anyhow.

 

 

Is this for all people, or just Dog's howl? What's the condition for it?

[alanschu]

I wasn't moving. I set Wynne and Leliana to shoot at some archers and was waiting for them to finish/heal them (hold position was on). L didn't shoot, I switched, told her to attack, Wynne stopped shooting. Switched, told W to attack, L stopped shooting. Repeat endlessly.

 

Hmmmm, what system are you on?

 

I think some people have reported similar issues of the AI literally stopping at the social site.

[TheHarlequin]

I'm sorry, but if it works fine for everyone but you, there might be something to it...

 

Also we have identical copies of the game, so get a better analogy.

 

More then I am complaining about this. So it does not run for 'everyone else' fine. See the official forums and other posts here.

 

To answer your question however, are the VARIABLES the same? No. Clearly you never programmed before. Thus why it could be working fine for you but not others. Perhaps the bug in the code is related to only certain NPCs or certain events or so on. Anyways if you never worte a line of code in your life then you speaking out of ignorance. If you have then you clearly were not very good at it or understood the concepts of said topic. Either way its very possible with todays programs to have it work fine for one person and not another depending on how that use it. No matter its clearly a bug.

[Oner]

Weird, but do they take potions as per the tactics?

I drink potions manually. Wynne heals as she should, if that answers your question.

 

I never figured out why some tactics I set in the menu are written in red and not used by the characters. Dog's stunning howl for example.

Taking a quick look in my game, it seems like red tactics are tactics that have some enemy condition set as the condition. I only looked at it briefly though.

That doesn't explain wh they don't use them, but thanks anyhow.

Is this for all people, or just Dog's howl? What's the condition for it?

Only Dog. He uses his other skills normally too. The condition is under any circumstance (I've got a localized DA, so no idea what it's called in english).

[Purkake]

The plot thickens!

[alanschu]

Only Dog. He uses his other skills normally too. The condition is under any circumstance (I've got a localized DA, so no idea what it's called in english).

 

Well, clearly the problem is the inferior language used.... (Actually...it'd suck if that was the problem).

 

Just doing "bookkeeping" buuuut, the tactic isn't set up below other ones in such a way that it will never achieve it, correct? That is, by your account, it is reachable?

 

Next, can you use Howl manually?

[Oner]

Well, clearly the problem is the inferior language used.... (Actually...it'd suck if that was the problem). Inferior my shiny metal ass.

 

Just doing "bookkeeping" buuuut, the tactic isn't set up below other ones in such a way that it will never achieve it, correct? That is, by your account, it is reachable? It's the second or third after charge and growl(?).

 

Next, can you use Howl manually? Yep, kicks ass.

BTW, * Lothering - On a small rise to the north of town, just before you reach the water.

What does this landmark do? I can't remember if I found this or not.

[Purkake]

You get stuff when you ask your dog to look for stuff near the landmarks, or at least I think that's what they do.

[alanschu]

@Oner:

Try putting it first, just to make sure that there's nothing blocking it (based on your description, there shouldn't be). That should confirm that there's definitely an issue with the tactic.

Edited November 12, 2009 by alanschu

[Enoch]

BTW, * Lothering - On a small rise to the north of town, just before you reach the water.

What does this landmark do? I can't remember if I found this or not.

 

Activate it with the Dog in the party. He can go fetch you a piece of dirty yarn. Hooray. It's a gift item-- apparently there's a companion out there somewhere who likes filthy yarn covered in Mabari slobber.

 

[Oner]

I'd like something more specific.

I found the one at the mage's crib, so I know what it's about.

[Volourn]

The tatics page is awesome. If it's not going right it's either a bug or you screwed up. It just takes time to elarn. It's called a learning curve. I know I made my share of mistakes with it including some epically dumb one like messing up the <> arrows. Nothing more fun then seeing your party drinking all of heal potions when they are at 75%+ hit points. L0L

 

The AI in this game is fantastic. The player AI can be dumber. I think a certain someone just wants the game to play itself. Well, it simply can't do that. Thankfully. Because, the game is supposed to be like the IE games where the player controls all the characters.

 

The deepspawn are not orcs. They're nothing like that. People also seem to be forgeting that ogres are considered deepspawn so I geuss they're orcs too rightr?

 

And, the dwarves have only superficial simialrities to klingons as both are borrow a lot of stereotypical stuff from other sources. The dwarves are dwarves.

 

Combat in this game ahrd , isn't dumbed, and doesn't hold your hand. Unlike pathetic games like FO, BG, or the GB games. Thank good. Only the smart can play it without crying.

 

I play on hard, and I die my fair share. That's cool. I doubt I'd be able to handle nightmare, though. Some should just play on easy and deal with being laughed at.

 

Morrigan is perhaps the best joinable npc ever in any game. I ended the life of a certain assassin at the moment I spotted him. He's a scumbag. Circle Tower and the Fade was fun stuff. Shale is funny.

 

The writing , overall, is very good, with some moments of really deep maturity with some momennt of shallow immaturity.

 

The main story is arlight but nothing special so far. Definitely seen worse (SOZ and NWN2); but I've seen better (MOTB).

 

I'd say more but the Obsidian big wigs don't like spoilers on these boards so I won't be able to do a full review of the game here.

 

Game isn't perfect; but no game is.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Volourn

[Aram]

What does this landmark do? I can't remember if I found this or not.

There's a landmark in every area. You have the dog use them, and he "marks" them, which gives him some kind of buff whenever he's in that area.