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The i's are dotted, t's are crossed and a 139-foot flagpole is ready to fly the Stars and Bars over one of the busiest highway interchanges in Florida.

 

The Sons of Confederate Veterans in Tampa plan soon to raise what they claim is the world's largest Confederate flag on a private triangle of land tucked near where Interstates 75 and 4 meet. The flag measures 50 feet by 30 feet.

 

John Adams, commander of the organization's Florida division, has spearheaded the flag project, which includes plans for an accompanying memorial park. And he wants to make sure that the only objections the group faces are based on opinion, not the law.

 

"You're going to hear some complaints about it for sure," Adams said. "But it's a free country as far as I know."

 

To some, particularly across many Southern states, the rebel flag represents a rich heritage that includes fighting and dying for the Confederate cause during the Civil War. To others, the flag represents dark memories attached to slavery and racial inequality.

 

One of those people is Curtis Stokes, president of the NAACP in Hillsborough County, who hopes that a groundswell of opposition to raising the flag might convince the Sons of Confederate Veterans to reconsider.

 

That's an unlikely scenario, according to Adams. Nearly a decade ago, the 220 members in the state's Sons of Confederate Veterans group launched a project called "Flags Across Florida" in response to a decision by state officials to remove the Confederate flag from a place of prominence near the state capitol in Tallahassee.

 

Excerpt, rest is here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4978568&page=1

 

I'm curious what everyone here thinks. I expect the non-US types here will find the whole controversy a little silly (and they would be right) but I've never met an American who did not have an opinion on this issue. Does anyone actually find the "Confederate Flag" offensive?

 

Personally, they bought the land and built the pole, they can fly whatever flag they please but I'm curious about one thing, if you want to fly the Confederate flag, why are they not doing it? Thats right, the St. Andrews Cross flag was never the flag of the CSA. This was:

 

 

 

If you want to honor history, be historical. I have a feeling these guys are just trying to get a rise out of everyone. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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They may flag as much as they want. The burden of a free society is that you have to put up with opinions that you do not want to see or hear. Otherwise you are the very tyrant that you despise.

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Doesn't bother me. However, if it was a Mexican flag or something I would be offended.

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Okay, I admit I know jack about CSA flags, but the article does mention the "Stars and Bars" flag. And according to Wiki, the Stars and Bars is the flag you posted - not St. Andrew's Cross or whatever.

 

edit: I'm an idiot. I hadn't checked the link, just read the excerpt you postred.

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Okay, I admit I know jack about CSA flags, but the article does mention the "Stars and Bars" flag. And according to Wiki, the Stars and Bars is the flag you posted - not St. Andrew's Cross or whatever.

 

Thats the problem, too many people don't know what X flag really is and would not recognize the real one if it fell on them. Heck i nearly got into a fight once because I told a guy (redneck type) that the flag in his truck window was not the real thing.

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Personally, they bought the land and built the pole, they can fly whatever flag they please but I'm curious about one thing, if you want to fly the Confederate flag, why are they not doing it? Thats right, the St. Andrews Cross flag was never the flag of the CSA. This was:

 

 

 

If you want to honor history, be historical. I have a feeling these guys are just trying to get a rise out of everyone. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

The "Confederate Battle Flag" (a combination of the actually used Confederate battle flag's colors on the second confederate naval jack design) became a symbol of the south and the confederacy after the civil war, supplanting the original flags in representing "rebels" and "the confederacy".

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Just because you're free to offend people doesn't mean that you should. If they wish to do honour to the men who fought in a specific tone, surely a statue would be a subtler way to do it?

 

Hopefully as grist to the mill: how would people feel if the 'sons of loyalty' decided to fly a whopping 160 ft Union Jack in Boston?

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Why does it have the EU flag on it?

 

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I can see why people would get upset. Hell, if someone hung a Nazi flag where I live, there'd be a line to assault them... But really, it's a flag, and as soon as they put it up, it'll be torn down in a riot in all probability.

 

Why does it have the EU flag on it?

 

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I probably wouldn't be bothered by it. I see enough of the damn things every day to be used to them. I wouldn't fly it in my yard but it's their property, they can do what they want.

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Just because you're free to offend people doesn't mean that you should. If they wish to do honour to the men who fought in a specific tone, surely a statue would be a subtler way to do it?

 

Hopefully as grist to the mill: how would people feel if the 'sons of loyalty' decided to fly a whopping 160 ft Union Jack in Boston?

 

They would probably pull in wondering where the new British Pub was! :p

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Why does it have the EU flag on it?

 

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Hmmmm. Isn't the EU supposed to be a union of sovereign states loosley organized under a weak central government? Isn't that by definition.... a confederacy? :p

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The confederate flag is perceived completely differently by white southerners and by blacks. To whites it's a symbol of southern pride and history, to blacks a symbol of racism. Whites perceive the campaign to remove the flag from all public places as a slap in the face and react accordingly, blacks see any attempt to fly the flag as a slap in the face.

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To whites it's a symbol of southern pride and history...

 

Maybe to some... Personally I'd rather not see it except in a historical context -id est a museum or reenactment- as it's not something that people should be celebrating - it was a dark part of American history and should be treated as such. :aiee:

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