lord of flies Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 So, as I understand it you play as a "spy" in this game. Fine. A United States one, at that. But, you were burned, so to speak. Very well, I can accept this. BUT - and this is a very important but - are not United States intelligence agents (not counterintel) agents of neocolonialism? Do they not gather information on third-world countries in case the US businesses in the region decide to lobby the government to overthrow democratically elected governments? Are they not, if only by association, responsible for dozens of (successful) coups of socialist democracies for the United States' businesspeople? This leads me onto my point: must I play Thorton as a neocolonialist oppressor, or can I aid the Russians, the Saudis, the Chinese, and more in their struggle for national sovereignty in the face of American hegemony? Please answer soon.
Oblarg Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 This post made my day. "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 Epic. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
Fearless_Jedi Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 In game quote: "You are operating under alpha protocol." I assume that means you can do whatever it takes to complete the mission. Whether that means you help the proletariat or the bourgeoisie, it all depends on who can help you reach your goal (probably the bourgeoisie). Go money! "Some people are always trying to iceskate uphill." Blade(Wesley Snipes) from the movie Blade. Edited for content "The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." - Sigmund Freud
Gfted1 Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 Pure, uncut win right there. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Rostere Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 Well, I do hope you can choose (at least to some degree) who you're aligned with. That's pretty integral to RPG games. "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!"
lord of flies Posted May 28, 2009 Author Posted May 28, 2009 Where is Rorie when you need him? ANSWER MY QUESTION, MATTHEW RORIE.
Humodour Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 So, as I understand it you play as a "spy" in this game. Fine. A United States one, at that. But, you were burned, so to speak. Very well, I can accept this. BUT - and this is a very important but - are not United States intelligence agents (not counterintel) agents of neocolonialism? Do they not gather information on third-world countries in case the US businesses in the region decide to lobby the government to overthrow democratically elected governments? Are they not, if only by association, responsible for dozens of (successful) coups of socialist democracies for the United States' businesspeople? This leads me onto my point: must I play Thorton as a neocolonialist oppressor, or can I aid the Russians, the Saudis, the Chinese, and more in their struggle for national sovereignty in the face of American hegemony? Please answer soon. lol
crakkie Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 Hegemony! Hegemony! Hegemony! Oh Jimmy, you were so funny. Don't let me down. From habit he lifts his watch; it shows him its blank face. Zero hour, Snowman thinks. Time to go.
Jaesun Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 RPG's are Serious Business. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography
Guest PoziomyPion Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) COMMUNISM - JOIN THE PARTY! Edited May 28, 2009 by PoziomyPion
Matthew Rorie Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 I don't know why this thread makes me think of this. Matthew Rorie
lord of flies Posted May 28, 2009 Author Posted May 28, 2009 I don't know why this thread makes me think of this. Depends. Where did you originally find it? And stop dodging my question, Rorie!
Fearless_Jedi Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) The only other games I know of that let you choose which country you want to help in a given situation are the Mercenaries games. That being said, I'm not sure if AP will let you actually help individual countries escape the capitalist oppression of sex, drugs, and rock & roll. However, it seems to me that you want MT to have the ability to defect to whatever country he wants but if that were so I doubt that he would be able to operate under "Alpha Protocol." Of coarse, more information is needed. Edited May 29, 2009 by Fearless_Jedi "Some people are always trying to iceskate uphill." Blade(Wesley Snipes) from the movie Blade. Edited for content "The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." - Sigmund Freud
Rostere Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I don't know why this thread makes me think of this. That text is pure genius "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!"
Cycloneman Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Quote Marx -> World falls to serfdom. Shoot woman -> World is saved I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community."
Fearless_Jedi Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Shoot woman -> World is saved I fail to see the logic in ur argument... "Some people are always trying to iceskate uphill." Blade(Wesley Snipes) from the movie Blade. Edited for content "The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." - Sigmund Freud
Oner Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Shoot woman -> World is saved I fail to see the logic in ur argument... You summon and kill. You summon aaand kill. I fail to see the logic here. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Cycloneman Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 wait are you guys also quoting from that masterpiece of headaches or what? I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community."
Oner Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I quoted from Devil May Cry. And misquoted too, shame on me. -.- Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I want to play MT as a fundamentalist christian. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
Humodour Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 I want to play Mike Thornton as a contrarian socialist like lord of flies.
lord of flies Posted May 30, 2009 Author Posted May 30, 2009 I want to play Mike Thornton as a contrarian socialist like lord of flies.I assume that you mean "contrarian" as in I believe things contrary to regressivism, imperialism, sexism, capitalism, and neo-colonialism, right?
Humodour Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 I want to play Mike Thornton as a contrarian socialist like lord of flies.I assume that you mean "contrarian" as in I believe things contrary to regressivism, imperialism, sexism, capitalism, and neo-colonialism, right? Not really. More like you believe in taking the opposite stance of anything centrist or right-wing rather than considering things on their merits. Such knee-jerk ideology galls me, from both the left and the right.
lord of flies Posted May 30, 2009 Author Posted May 30, 2009 Not really. More like you believe in taking the opposite stance of anything centrist or right-wing rather than considering things on their merits. Such knee-jerk ideology galls me, from both the left and the right.Just because someone holds a cohesive worldview that happens to be the opposite of what someone else holds, doesn't mean they're a "contrarian." I could just as easily say that right-wingers are contrarian because they are in opposition to pretty much everything I believe, but does that mean that they define themselves by opposition? No. I hold the viewpoints I hold based upon a utilitarian examination of the past and present functions of human society, which lead me to believe that imperialism is terrible, neo-colonialism is atrocious, warmongers are evil, and capitalism has a net negative effect on human society.
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