CoM_Solaufein Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Yep. Blizzard with Diablo and Guild Wars don't seem to have a problem. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is StrengthBaldur's Gate moddingTeamBGBaldur's Gate modder/community leaderBaldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition beta testerBaldur's Gate 2 - Enhanced Edition beta tester Icewind Dale - Enhanced Edition beta tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maria Caliban Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) I played guild wars for over 100 hours. same as diablo 2 thats the extent of my online rpg gaming wow looked stupid, you had to buy the game, and then pay a monthly fee to play it? who the hell thought that was a good idea should be given a few dozen raises because apparently 12 million people thought it was brilliant. I was raised among the age of gaming where you buy the game and then can play it all you want without a goddamn nanny making you cough up more cash just to play. retarded bull is what that is. 'A goddamn nanny making you cough up more cash just to play' doesn't make sense. A nanny, in the metaphoric sense, is an authority that restricts what it perceives as negative or harmful behavior. For instance, when China restricted people's ability to play WoW and other MMORPGs to three hours a day, it was acting as a nanny-state. The same as when the USA's goverment make it illegal to drive without a seatbelt. A better metaphor might be (off the top of my head) mobster as opposed to nanny, as they ran protection rackets in which people had to pay them on a monthly basis. So should MMO developers just maintain and update the game servers over the years for free? They should provide a price and pricing method that accommodates a wide range of consumers while maintaining a quality play experience. Games are a luxury item, so let the Great Chain decide. Edited May 23, 2009 by Maria Caliban "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I've posted numerous times, as have others, exactly why an MMO needs to have monthly fees to stay afloat. I've also rebutted why Guild Wars and Diablo are not MMO's. I'm quite surprised at how many folks seem to live in a perpetual state of denial here. I don't know many mobsters that come into the store and refresh your inventory when it runs low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristes Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) I don't see anything wrong with charging a fee for keeping the servers running. This is especially true of Blizzard, which does patch and add content regularly. Sure, there have been two expansions for which they've charged, but there has been even more content added without charge. Frankly, I don't see the issue. If you can't afford $15 a month for WoW (and you can reduce the monthly cost by paying for larger blocks at a time) then you definitely can't afford to buy a computer game every month. For myself, during the time that I was online most, I didn't buy other computer games. As I've spent less time playing, I have bought computer games again. I now use WoW as a way to keep in tough with family, and I see it no different than getting together to eat snacks and play PnP gaming or the like. I enjoy visiting with family and WoW provides a dynamic way for us to chat and do something together. Admittedly, without my family and some family friends, I would have dumped WoW a long time ago, but I would not resent the time I voluntarily spent playing. Nor would I resent paying for that time. Edited May 23, 2009 by Aristes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 $15 a month is too expensive (and that's American!). $10 is perfectly reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Well, the point of most MMOs is to have the game drag on and on forever to milk money from players for as long as possible. Several days/weeks of level grinding? Killing a boss (x+n)*3 times because..uh, you can't seem to pry his/her weapon from hir cold, dead fingers? Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Yep. Blizzard with Diablo and Guild Wars don't seem to have a problem. It This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 $15 a month is too expensive (and that's American!). $10 is perfectly reasonable. There are a few games that offer that price point, or offer deals where you pay for a few months at a time to get a lower rate. It just depends. Some of these games really struggle financially, not all of them are WoW. LotR Online is $10 a month. It's a promotional price, but they seem to offer it every couple months. That's why it's been easy for me to stay subscribed, I barely notice $10, even if I don't play for a month or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I've only tried one MMO and that was EVE. Never got past the free trial before I got bored and moved on to something else. I think I've gone through 5 or 6 trials so far, usually one every 6-8 months when I get the urge to try it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I tried Warhammer Online for a few months, but gave up on it. I just can't find the time in my schedule to dedicate to it. It was fun seeing the setting come alive and run around and kill stuff in it, but to get your moneys worth, you need to spend the time to become part of the online community and team building. I don't have that time. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I try a new MMO's once a year to see whats happening in the genre but I have never played anything I liked thus far. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hmm. The preliminary results are not what I was expecting. MMOs don't seem to have sticking power. Because the Obsidian board has a large and diverse set of posters. Those 11.6 million people who play World of Warcraft are all flash in the pan and have been for five years now. Hmm.. I don't know about that.. if we assume that the votes represent gamers in general, that still means that 25% of all gamers play MMOs, that's a pretty huge share. And ~50% have played it in the past and might come back for a good title.. I would be pretty happy with those numbers if I was running a MMO buisness. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I think Maria Caliban was being facetious, flashes in the pan don't usually last for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjarista Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hmm. The preliminary results are not what I was expecting. MMOs don't seem to have sticking power. Because the Obsidian board has a large and diverse set of posters. Those 11.6 million people who play World of Warcraft are all flash in the pan and have been for five years now. Hmm.. I don't know about that.. if we assume that the votes represent gamers in general, that still means that 25% of all gamers play MMOs, that's a pretty huge share. And ~50% have played it in the past and might come back for a good title.. I would be pretty happy with those numbers if I was running a MMO buisness. I think that many gamers, particularly RPG players, tend to not be interested in the social aspects of MMOs, and that social aspect, ultimately, may be the only feature that makes MMOs worthwhile. If we grade MMOs using single player standards, they don't fare well. I still play WoW, not because of what the game provides as much as hwat my friends and guildmates provide....the social interaction, the shared experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristes Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) I tried Warhammer Online for a few months, but gave up on it. I just can't find the time in my schedule to dedicate to it. It was fun seeing the setting come alive and run around and kill stuff in it, but to get your moneys worth, you need to spend the time to become part of the online community and team building. I don't have that time. I kept not being able to sign on and then I kept getting booted. Even if my family hadn't started playing WoW and therefore sucked up all my MMO time, I would have ditched the game. I was excited by the idea of a Warhammer game much more than a Warcraft game, but I kept slamming into stability issues. "I still play WoW, not because of what the game provides as much as hwat my friends and guildmates provide....the social interaction, the shared experience." Yeah, this is true of me also. Edited May 23, 2009 by Aristes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 as the apparent lord of WoW around these parts, I feel it is my duty to say that if you play WoW in favor of most other games, you'll probably find that you save more money than you spend because usually you'll spend upwards of 50$ a month on games that you have a single run through. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) as the apparent lord of WoW around these parts, I feel it is my duty to say that if you play WoW in favor of most other games, you'll probably find that you save more money than you spend because usually you'll spend upwards of 50$ a month on games that you have a single run through. True, but you miss out on a lot of fun games that way, generally you're right though. I still regret giving Vegas 2 a try - total waste of money. Edited May 23, 2009 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzer Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I've played MMO's since about 1998 when Asheron's Call came out. I'm no where near hard core like some people are...the most I put in is about an hour or two a night. For me, MMO's are a great way to do stuff with friends who I normally don't see on a regular basis. A few of my friends live out of state and we all enjoy gaming, so MMO's provide us a place where we can get together and do something we all enjoy. If they weren't gamers, would I still be playing MMO's? Probably not. I'm more of a single player gamer because I like the freedom of being able to save and quit when I want to or even pause the game. You really don't have those same freedoms in an MMO...its almost like other people depend on you getting online and sometimes I don't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 never really bothered my brother keeps bugging me to start playing WoW, but i haven't played any games on my computer for months, so it seems pretty pointless paying a monthly fee for something i wont even be doing when your mind works against you - fight back with substance abuse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 After years, I decided to install the free 10 day trial of WoW... I played for about 18 minutes and thought, "this is it?"; I played for a bit more, and it was... I let the trial expire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshape Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) MMO's What can I really say about it, I've played alot of them. I've watched the genre mature(HA! Comedy, as a formula it ain't changed that much). That said I have a couple on the burner in an attempt to loose my social life (as rediculious as that sounds it's actually true, social life is far too expensive ). Currently Playing: I'm actually a returning player to these. Everquest 2 Lord of the Rings Online Have Played: Meridian 59 Ultima Online Mankind Everquest Dark Age of Camelot Neocron (really really awful) Anarchy Online Age of Conan I don't count Guild wars and Diablo to be MMO's, online games sure, but MMO's no... They don't actually work. Edited May 26, 2009 by Nightshape I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 After years, I decided to install the free 10 day trial of WoW... I played for about 18 minutes and thought, "this is it?"; I played for a bit more, and it was... I let the trial expire. Same happened with me. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I liked Guild Wars for a while, because you could go on cooperative missions with a few people (i.e. your friends). I'll stick to Diablo 3, thanks. the current crop of MMOs have way too much grinding and not enough awesome co-op/pvp moments per time spent. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Ive been playing WoW for almost as long as its been out and I still love it. I play whenever I can fit it around my family and that works out beautifully for me. Im not really there for the social aspect although I know lots of other players, I just like logging on for a few hours here and there and laying waste to stuff. The $15 a month isnt even a blip on my radar. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) A bit WoW, AoC, WAR, and that's it I think. None of these have really grasp my interest for longer than 10 days, and I doubt any future releases will change that, including TOR. Edited May 26, 2009 by Morgoth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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