McDonald's Is Healthy!

[Volourn]

Oh, no doubt, I'd probably be healthier. No doubt. But, it's ok. My goal isn't to win a sporting event so I'm fine being healthy yet not in great physical compeitition type shape.

[Xard]

Heh, was just a random suggestion

 

This is funny how I ended up in defending healthy eating against fastfood when remembering my own eating habbits

 

 

 

No, I don't eat fastfood (it must've been two months since last time) or stuff like that too much. The thing is I eat way too less and am way too picky. Then at late night I get really hungry and eat raw spaghetti or something

 

In fact I'm hungry right now due to me not eating properly, but am too lazy to go and actually make some food

 

I really should eat vegetables way more too

Edited June 24, 2008 by Xard

[Slowtrain]

Junk food tends to be very calorie concetrated which makes it easy to eat too much and take in too many calories. SOmething like spinach still contains calories, it is just harder to eat so much spinach that it would make you fat because the calories are not as concetrated.

[Kaftan Barlast]

If youre so stupid that you cant make the connection betwen obesity and too much food, you should be pelted with pebbles and ridiculed until you cry. I love multinational corporate junkfood, Swede burgers feel either way too healthy or greasy enough to give a whale cardiac arrest. There are few things more satisfying than a double cheeseburger with extra bacon

 

 

 

...and vegetarians are cowards.

Edited June 24, 2008 by Kaftan Barlast

[Slowtrain]

...and vegetarians are cowards.

 

 

I just don't like getting meat stuck between my molars. Same reason I don't eat popcorn.

 

A good cut of beef is pretty healthy anyway, except for the cholesterol.

[random n00b]

Well duh, of course it is in controlled amounts ok. Problem is in modern era more and more people drift to eating it way too often - and way too often isn't even close to Supersize ME level wackiness.

It's just another potential health hazard fulfilled by people doing it wrong. Speeding? Drinking?

 

The byproduct of laziness. Somebody that, for instance, won't cook food at home in the weekends and bring it to their jobs during weekdays isn't very likely to haul their ass over to the gym, either.

 

 

Outside world largerly affects how much easier it is to make "wrong" choice in this kind of thing. Using drugs is choice too. It doesn't mean we should let our surroundings to get into state where making "wrong" choice instead of "right" choice is propabilistically higher and higher with each passing year. There are countless ways how our modern western lifestyle, merchandising, brands and all that jazz affects people and lead them to junkfood places they wouldn't otherwise go.

I don't know about that. There's a plethora of info available on the worth of Mcfood, as far as health is concerned. If people don't want to listen, what are you going to do about it?

 

And, what's to prevent me from making some delicious slickburgers in the privacy of my home? Those efforts would be better spent in teaching people general healthy living habits, than they are in attacking a handful of companies directly. Which raises the question of who stands to gain from that, and why. Everyone has an agenda...

 

 

Yes, some people dispute that. ( See Volourn's "HEALTHY JUNKFOOD" part for quick reference )

 

And "junkfood companies" have for a long time tried to make bad health effects seem lesser than they are in eyes of media.

Well, Volo's example isn't much better at proving anything than Supersize Me, really. It would be interesting to have actual figures on the amount of Big Macs they sell for each salad, though, but I'm too lazy to investigate. Oh well. Time for my Big Mac.

 

I'm nowhere as concerned about those companies playing mediatic games as I am about them playing cat & mouse with health inspectors.

[mkreku]

Junk food doesn't necessarily make you fat. It can also make you skinny. Junk food doesn't contain the nutritions a normal human being needs every day so even if the food has enough fat (or sugar) to make you obese, your body will not become fat because it is still starving.

 

This is actually the case with a lot of skinny computer nerds. They think they have some sort of super-human metabolism that allows them to eat as much fat as they want, yet they never gain any weight. They're even stupid enough to brag about it (see current thread for proof). In reality they're abusing their bodies, milking it from any deposits it has and most everyone who does this will get health issues later in life.

 

Being fat or skinny is NOT always an indication on how healthy your body is!

[Slowtrain]

Junk food doesn't necessarily make you fat. It can also make you skinny. Junk food doesn't contain the nutritions a normal human being needs every day so even if the food has enough fat (or sugar) to make you obese, your body will not become fat because it is still starving.

 

But where are the excess calories going? Unless they are so sick they are vomiting or having bowel issues, those excess calories are going to get turned into fat if they are not burned off. The body has to put them somewhere.

[random n00b]

Hahaha, premium flamebaiting!

[Guest The Architect]

Junk food doesn't necessarily make you fat. It can also make you skinny. Junk food doesn't contain the nutritions a normal human being needs every day so even if the food has enough fat (or sugar) to make you obese, your body will not become fat because it is still starving.

 

But where are the excess calories going? Unless they are so sick they are vomiting or having bowel issues, those excess calories are going to get turned into fat if they are not burned off. The body has to put them somewhere.

 

I think mkreku was referring specifically to scrawny computer nerds. The excess calories go to their fingers, because they are the most important part of a scrawny computer nerds body, where energy is needed, but they burn off their finger fat faster than the blink of an eyelash, so there you go.

[Humodour]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080620/...mcdonald_s_diet

 

McDonald's is awesome! LONG LIVE McDonald's!!

 

See, that is what happens when people believe a one dimensional biased fom the get go 'experiment'. They believe in falsehoods. Bottom line is that McDonald's doesn't make people fat. People making poor chocies makes people's fat.

 

Dear god you're retarded.

[Guest The Architect]

HAHAHA!

[Fenghuang]

Heh, Volo is still an insane troll too.

 

Never change you lovable retard, never change.

Edited June 24, 2008 by Fenghuang

[Volourn]

"Dear god you're retarded."

 

Mods?

[Gorth]

Ok guys, I am sure we can discuss Haute Cuisine without resorting to personal jabs

 

I don't necessarily agree with Volourn, thinking that he wants to have Burger and eat it too, but that is a matter of difference of oppinion. Sure, it is peoples own decision to kill themselves with cholesterol and kilojoules, but some people are weaker willed than others and more likely to succumb to temptation and/or advertising. Heck, the large menus are something that could keep a Tour de France team going for a full day, not meant for casual eating. I consider such persons to belong to the same category as pathological gamblers, they need help to fight their condition not ridicule or "It's your own fault" fingerpointing. Getting rid of the aggressive marketing of oversized meals was a start.

 

Now hand me the ketchup, I am late for a date with the reaper...

[Humodour]

"Dear god you're retarded."

 

Mods?

 

Here are some good ones:

 

http://weidu.org/asc.html

http://www.team-gizka.org/

http://ja2v113.pbwiki.com/

 

Enjoy!

[Tigranes]

Don't make me smite you Krezack.

 

I can't remember if it was Sand or Volourn that comes up with the "it's really your own fault for not controlling yourself' argument every time this kind of stuff comes up, but really - it's so obviously not that simple. On one extreme you can't chain-smoke for 20 years and then sue the cigarette companies for millions of dollars, because you have to, you know, make your own decisions. But on the other extreme you can't say it's okay to sell raunchy goat porn in Times Square, because you know, you don't have to buy it. Desire is always cultivated and it's naive in the extreme to think that we are completely rational human beings making logical choices unaffected by whatever. The line between a healthy society and a sterile one differs for everyone else, but is there really any weight to the case that McDonalds can do whatever it wants?

 

I did think, upon watching Supersize Me, that it was a poor and invalid experiment. Says nothin' about the guy's professionalism, because lots of professional sociological or scientific studies by Ph.Ds commit the same kind of biased, ridiculous jumps of logic. But certainly, bad science. But McDonalds is part of a capitalist mechanism that cultivates a desire for a certain type of food that is bad for you in the long run. This fact isn't affected at all by Volo's I-am-thin anecdote either, because in Logicland they practically live on opposite sides of the continent. As I say, where do we draw line is the question, not "isn't McDonalds really okay?" or "isn't McDonalds the devil?".

[Walsingham]

Swede burgers

 

I'm going to assume that a swede burger is grated swede, onion, parsley, blue cheese, and parmesan, fried in olive oil, and served with chopped chives and fresh bread, possibly with garlic mayonnaise.

[mkreku]

But where are the excess calories going? Unless they are so sick they are vomiting or having bowel issues, those excess calories are going to get turned into fat if they are not burned off. The body has to put them somewhere.

I don't know exactly how it works, but it has something to do with the body not being able to digest or assimilate all those extra calories because it lacks the other ingredients needed to do so. You basically poop out the same crap you put in your mouth, except in a more liquid form.. I've even read an article about how scurvy is increasing again for the first time in 300 years because of computer nerds eating too unhealthy! I couldn't find it now when I googled for it though.

 

It's actually entirely possible to go on a (extremely unhealthy) diet by eating nothing but candy. Not sure if anyone has ever tried that in reality.

[random n00b]

I can't remember if it was Sand or Volourn that comes up with the "it's really your own fault for not controlling yourself' argument every time this kind of stuff comes up, but really - it's so obviously not that simple. On one extreme you can't chain-smoke for 20 years and then sue the cigarette companies for millions of dollars, because you have to, you know, make your own decisions. But on the other extreme you can't say it's okay to sell raunchy goat porn in Times Square, because you know, you don't have to buy it. Desire is always cultivated and it's naive in the extreme to think that we are completely rational human beings making logical choices unaffected by whatever. The line between a healthy society and a sterile one differs for everyone else, but is there really any weight to the case that McDonalds can do whatever it wants?

Are we adults or not?

[Gorgon]

Whats the point of mayo, other than destroying a sandwich.

[Gfted1]

Whats the point of mayo, other than destroying a sandwich.

 

 

Whoa, whoa. Dont you wacky Nords use mayo to dip your Freedon Fries

[Guest The Architect]

Whats the point of mayo, other than destroying a sandwich.

 

It's ****in' great in an Italian loaf bread sandwich with cotoletta, tomato, red onion, lettuce and cheese.

[Hurlshort]

Uh...what about the kids whose parents raise them on junkfood? Isn't that a legitimate concern? I can understand adults pissing their health away on this stuff, but I think it's a bit messed up when children have to start their lives out obese because parents can't provide a balanced diet.

[taks]

I'm really not sure how the movie could even be considered close to defamation Am I remembering it wrong?

 

And the guy eating only healthy meals from McDonalds -- I'm really not sure what that has to do with the movie either. From what I recall the movie was about eating junk food from McDonalds in excesive amounts to see what would happen (and the expected occured). I don't believe it ever claimed that McDonalds makes you fat. Perhaps someone could enlighten me?

it was certainly the implication. recall that most of the people in the world only saw the advertisements for the movie, which made a very clear "mcdonalds makes you fat" implication. i did not state that it was strictly defamation, either, only that i wish they could have sued for defamation. it's this kind of "science" that is destroying the reputation of science.

 

i love xard's "statistics," too. keep it up.

 

btw, "junk food" is an odd misnomer. qualify the term, somebody? let's see... big macs have: beef, lettuce, pickles, bread, hitting the major food groups... french fries, contrary to popular belief, are not very fatty (this takes an understanding of what happens when you drop water soaked potatoes into boiling vegetable oil) and they are a very good source of complex carbohydrates.

 

taks