PETITION: PLEASE CHANGE THE INFINITE AMMO DESIGN

[Sand]

You can't create something from nothing, but something like a gun that uses zero point energy would probably be next to infinite ammo, but since the game story line takes place in 21st century Earth I think it is unlikely such technology would exist.

 

Oh, nice try Cy, but you fail. Those JBs are in movies and television shows, not CRPGs.

Edited June 4, 2008 by Sand

[Cycloneman]

Oh, nice try Cy, but you fail. Those JBs are in movies and television shows, not CRPGs.

Right back at you.

[Tale]

The US government is hiding the existence of hammerspace from us so that their secret agents can use it. Just like flying cars, wrist watches with magnetic force fields, and incredibly intelligent models.

[Jorian Drake]

So far no developer has given a good reason, in terms of setting and story background, why there are skill points. If there is a solid story based reason behind it Obsidianites, then I am 100% behind it.

 

The big issue that I personally have with skill points is setting and tone. The whole spy thing, with all the JBs, Bauer, Bond & Borne brings up images of spies/agents using their wits and skills to win, but such characters never become significantly more skilled over the course of the story.

if you quote others than please use "quotes' or others mistakely think those are your comments, thanks

[Pidesco]

Guys, I hate to say it, but I think the answers already given are the ones you're going to have to live with for the moment. You may want to know every single thing about the game right now, but that's not going to happen. There'll be plenty more info on the game coming out in the coming months, but for now, as mentioned, the game is still a long way away from release and there's plenty we can't and shouldn't talk about.

 

I'm not saying this discussion can't go on, but let's try not to take the tone where answers are demanded. We love our forumites, but we're not going to be able to tell you everything about the game, regardless of how much you want us to, or even regardless of how much we would like to.

 

I'd just like to know what the actual focus of the game is in terms of tone. Light/mindless/humorous or mature/realistic/dark?

 

I'd imagine this would be set in stone already, and it seems to me it's the type of thing you'd want to get out to the gamers in order to catch the attention of the customer base Obsidian is aiming for.

[random n00b]

So far no developer has given a good reason, in terms of setting and story background, why there are skill points. If there is a solid story based reason behind it Obsidianites, then I am 100% behind it.

 

The big issue that I personally have with skill points is setting and tone. The whole spy thing, with all the JBs, Bauer, Bond & Borne brings up images of spies/agents using their wits and skills to win, but such characters never become significantly more skilled over the course of the story.

Wow. Do you make a point of thinking up new fallacies to post, or does it come naturally?

[Meshugger]

So far no developer has given a good reason, in terms of setting and story background, why there are skill points. If there is a solid story based reason behind it Obsidianites, then I am 100% behind it.

 

The big issue that I personally have with skill points is setting and tone. The whole spy thing, with all the JBs, Bauer, Bond & Borne brings up images of spies/agents using their wits and skills to win, but such characters never become significantly more skilled over the course of the story.

Wow. Do you make a point of thinking up new fallacies to post, or does it come naturally?

 

Satirical quote of a satirical quote makes everyone a sad panda

[Meshugger]

Guys, I hate to say it, but I think the answers already given are the ones you're going to have to live with for the moment. You may want to know every single thing about the game right now, but that's not going to happen. There'll be plenty more info on the game coming out in the coming months, but for now, as mentioned, the game is still a long way away from release and there's plenty we can't and shouldn't talk about.

 

I'm not saying this discussion can't go on, but let's try not to take the tone where answers are demanded. We love our forumites, but we're not going to be able to tell you everything about the game, regardless of how much you want us to, or even regardless of how much we would like to.

 

I'd just like to know what the actual focus of the game is in terms of tone. Light/mindless/humorous or mature/realistic/dark?

 

I'd imagine this would be set in stone already, and it seems to me it's the type of thing you'd want to get out to the gamers in order to catch the attention of the customer base Obsidian is aiming for.

 

Since they mentioned the story being in vein of Syriana, would i vouch for "realistic/dark".

Edited June 4, 2008 by Meshugger

[Cycloneman]

So far no developer has given a good reason, in terms of setting and story background, why there are skill points. If there is a solid story based reason behind it Obsidianites, then I am 100% behind it.

 

The big issue that I personally have with skill points is setting and tone. The whole spy thing, with all the JBs, Bauer, Bond & Borne brings up images of spies/agents using their wits and skills to win, but such characters never become significantly more skilled over the course of the story.

Wow. Do you make a point of thinking up new fallacies to post, or does it come naturally?

What fallacy is in my post, good sir?

[Pidesco]

Guys, I hate to say it, but I think the answers already given are the ones you're going to have to live with for the moment. You may want to know every single thing about the game right now, but that's not going to happen. There'll be plenty more info on the game coming out in the coming months, but for now, as mentioned, the game is still a long way away from release and there's plenty we can't and shouldn't talk about.

 

I'm not saying this discussion can't go on, but let's try not to take the tone where answers are demanded. We love our forumites, but we're not going to be able to tell you everything about the game, regardless of how much you want us to, or even regardless of how much we would like to.

 

I'd just like to know what the actual focus of the game is in terms of tone. Light/mindless/humorous or mature/realistic/dark?

 

I'd imagine this would be set in stone already, and it seems to me it's the type of thing you'd want to get out to the gamers in order to catch the attention of the customer base Obsidian is aiming for.

 

Since they mentioned the story being in vein of Syriana, would i vouch for "realistic/dark".

 

At first I did too, but then they mentioned Kill Bill and gun toting teenagers with pink hair, and suddenly I don't know what to think.

[Jorian Drake]

Guys, I hate to say it, but I think the answers already given are the ones you're going to have to live with for the moment. You may want to know every single thing about the game right now, but that's not going to happen. There'll be plenty more info on the game coming out in the coming months, but for now, as mentioned, the game is still a long way away from release and there's plenty we can't and shouldn't talk about.

 

I'm not saying this discussion can't go on, but let's try not to take the tone where answers are demanded. We love our forumites, but we're not going to be able to tell you everything about the game, regardless of how much you want us to, or even regardless of how much we would like to.

 

I'd just like to know what the actual focus of the game is in terms of tone. Light/mindless/humorous or mature/realistic/dark?

 

I'd imagine this would be set in stone already, and it seems to me it's the type of thing you'd want to get out to the gamers in order to catch the attention of the customer base Obsidian is aiming for.

 

Since they mentioned the story being in vein of Syriana, would i vouch for "realistic/dark".

 

At first I did too, but then they mentioned Kill Bill and gun toting teenagers with pink hair, and suddenly I don't know what to think.

 

maybe Trigun

[Cycloneman]

I'd guess dark but with larger-than-life characters and situations. Something like Watchmen or W40K, I guess.

[Xard]

3) Some people won't like it no matter what. Some of you probably won't like this game. That's not saying anything about you guys or the game, it's just the law of averages. I fully expect, after release, to read on a forum somewhere (maybe here) about how Alpha Protocol is the worst game ever made and the number one reason was... maybe infinite ammo? Who knows? People dislike a lot of good games for a lot of silly reasons. It's very subjective.

 

I doubt anyone here would write AP as bad game due to some as small part as infinite ammo

 

I look forward to more info on the tone and feel of the game in the future.

 

Thnks to all the devs for their reponses.

 

I would say scour the interweb and newsstands for more info on AP in the upcoming months. I'm sure that something will turn up.

 

Alvin, even though Bleach is kinda cool you must watch Gurren Lagann. After that you can't help photoshoppin' The Badass Shades Of Awesomeness everywhere (just look what I did to my Lennon!)

 

Mechas that use Galaxies as shurikens

 

Did I sell this show for you already or what?

 

Forgoing a proper ammo system for spending that development time elsewhere is a bit problematic. Aren't you worried no one will buy the game just on faith that it's actually a worthwhile trade off ?.

 

If our game had so little to offer that unlimited ammo was a big enough turn off that people wouldn't buy it, we'd still have much bigger problems than just having made an unpopular choice on ammo.

 

Indeed

 

And I am still eagerly anticipating this game, perhaps more than any other currently on the horizon. Game mechanics overall seems to be great (though this infinite ammo seem to be HUGE backstab against whole combat mechanics and that's why I'm campaigning against it) and this game will be Absolute Winner Material by writing alone. Add that together with propably best gameplay from OE game so far (again, with exception of infinite ammo etc. : ) it'll propably be blast to play.

 

But if nothing else you really must add body dragging in the game. It isn't even question.

 

 

Real question is what the heck happened to Mitsoda.

 

 

...he didn't leave Obsidian, right?

[Nick_i_am]

Becides which, you're arguing that infinite ammo in ME is realistic for the setting and that it wouldn't be for AP, so you're pretty much just generating 100% mouth-poop again by saying that this has nothing to do with realism.

 

I never said that it is realistic. ME is hardly realistic in any sense of the word, Nicky-boy. I said it makes sense for the setting in how they justified it. Read what is there and not what you want to be there.

 

So you're arguing that infinite ammo in ME isn't realistic for the setting?

 

Dude, you should have said so.

[Sand]

So you're arguing that infinite ammo in ME isn't realistic for the setting?

 

Dude, you should have said so.

 

Are you unable to read or what? I said nothing of the sort.

[Nick_i_am]

So it is realistic for the setting?

 

I'm confused

[GreasyDogMeat]

So far no developer has given a good reason, in terms of setting and story background, why there are skill points. If there is a solid story based reason behind it Obsidianites, then I am 100% behind it.

 

The big issue that I personally have with skill points is setting and tone. The whole spy thing, with all the JBs, Bauer, Bond & Borne brings up images of spies/agents using their wits and skills to win, but such characters never become significantly more skilled over the course of the story.

 

Hah, Bauer gets a lot better at torture as the series went on!

 

+6 Torture skill every season!

 

Really though, there is a big difference between an agent learning new hand to hand skills, picking a lock faster or learning to aim more precisely and having a magical endless bag of holding for his pistol clips in, what I thought, was a modern setting.

[Cycloneman]

Hah, Bauer gets a lot better at torture as the series went on!

 

+6 Torture skill every season!

 

Really though, there is a big difference between an agent learning new hand to hand skills, picking a lock faster or learning to aim more precisely and having a magical endless bag of holding for his pistol clips in, what I thought, was a modern setting.

It's just a game mechanic, not a part of the setting. Sometimes the two get divorced for the sake of both.

 

I mean, would you prefer it if the setting was altered to reflect this game mechanic? Like, they invented the Humphefal Device which continuously decants bullets, and that was mentioned over the course of the story?

[Sand]

So it is realistic for the setting?

 

I'm confused

 

Then stay confused. I have explained it quite clearly. You are in either need of remedial English or being an ass.

[Sand]

It's just a game mechanic, not a part of the setting. Sometimes the two get divorced for the sake of both.

 

Since Alpha Protocol is a CRPG the use of skills fits in the context of the genre and setting it is depicting. If you don't understand that then you do not understand the nature of RPGs. I have a feeling you do understand this and you just want to be an obstinant jerk towards the other posters here, basically trolling.

[Cycloneman]

It's just a game mechanic, not a part of the setting. Sometimes the two get divorced for the sake of both.

 

Since Alpha Protocol is a CRPG the use of skills fits in the context of the genre and setting it is depicting. If you don't understand that then you do not understand the nature of RPGs. I have a feeling you do understand this and you just want to be an obstinant jerk towards the other posters here, basically trolling.

No, since Alpha Protocol is a CRPG, the use of skills fits in the context of the game system. It does not fit into the spy genre or the action genre, or the modern era or the superspy world, none of which have people become more powerful in one thing by doing another thing a lot.

[Sand]

[random n00b]

Somebody please put this thread out of its misery, already.

[Cycloneman]

Somebody please put this thread out of its misery, already.

I notice you aren't answering my question from earlier.

[Matthew Rorie]

Keep it civil, guys.