Humodour Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Is this article true? http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=1645 Did Bioware really one-up even Microsoft in terms of idiotic DRM? Boycott time if so. To quote a Slashdot comment on the issues: Exactly what I was thinking. What happens 10 years down the line when I try to play a game or watch a Movie that has some funky DRM on it, but I can't because the company is out of business or has shutdown the DRM server. http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/05/07/1523242.shtml Edited May 8, 2008 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Ha, I love Shamus and his sense of humor. DM of the Rings was hilarious. Anyway, this protection is ludicrous. It will be cracked in a matter of days, and only those who have a legitimate copy will suffer from these measures. Gay. Why can't more companies go the Stardock route? SoaSE sells well with no copy protection at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokey Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 You made this topic on the wrong forum. Start NWN2 then go read Brothers Karamazov while it makes sure you don't have a parrot on your shoulder. What French describes isn't the end of the world, as long as you've run the game within 10 days and it was able to connect to the server (thread linked in article). However Derek French is a writer who has shown a remarkably poor grasp of technical issues in the past. Bioware's NWN1 auth server is a joke security-wise and goes down for the count often (it's been a while, maybe they've improved--it would die Friday night like clockwork for the longest time two years ago). Well, it's also the NWN2 auth server and was up a few hours ago, but it's still utterly trivial to play on anyone's account Granted reading Bio dev posts for the last few years, it's pretty obvious I'll never play another of their games anyway. I'll summarize: RockStar doesn't have a clue about how to make a game. Just what I needed, another forum to keep up with. Neversummer PW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I can see a once off online activation, but what is the point of checking every 10 days or so? If my legal copy passes the check the first time, then why do you need to check again later? As far as I know, my copy won't magically turn into an illegal version over that time period (or any time period), so it seems a little odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Bioware "sold out" when they went with EA. This is probably 'encouraged' by EA as well. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Nah. They didn't sell out. And, boycotts are for cowards. Also, NWN's serves were awesome, and very dependable. IIRC, this isn't even the first time a BIO game has used Securom or some other protection method, and those games never truly suffered from those. *shrug* And, the Slashdot quote is retarded, and BIO has already addressed on their boards. In other words, a big yawn that means nothing. Like most anti BIo (or pick any big company or in BIO's case division) rubbish. Edited May 8, 2008 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Bioware "sold out" when they went with EA. This is probably 'encouraged' by EA as well. I'd say the likely hood of that is pretty high considering it was mentioned over at Bioware that the Auth servers will be hosted by EA and they are using the same system for Spore. Nah. They didn't sell out. And, boycotts are for cowards. Also, NWN's serves were awesome, and very dependable. IIRC, this isn't even the first time a BIO game has sued Securom or some other protection method, and those games never truly suffered from those. *shrug* And, the Slashdot quote is retarded, and BIO has already addressed on their boards. In other words, a big yawn that means nothing. Like most anti BIo (or pick any big company or in BIO's case division) rubbish. You're right, it isn't the first time that Bioware has used Securom. It is the first time that that they are requiring repeated (online) authentication checks for a retail purchased single player game. From what I've seen, Securom isn't what everyone is really objecting to. It's the phoning home every ten days that people are really against. And if boycotts are for cowards, how else is one to express their displeasure to a corporate entity like Bioware? Edited May 8, 2008 by Deraldin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 And, boycotts are for cowards. That must be the biggest pile of vologic ever. To me it This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Simply by not buying their products. When i think 'boycott'; I think a lame mass of people banding together in some asanine cause. Don't agree with BIO's (or any company's) business plans then simply don't purchase their product or service. And, move on. "To the senseless captains of Electronic Arts: Fall under a bus and die, you rotten offspring of ignorance and folly." That above, is why scumbag like the article author need to be ignored. Because he dislikes a certain thing he doesn't need to get he wishes said creators to die. Absolutely pathetic. Don't need that kind of extremism. And, that's exactly what boycotts are. Extremism of the highest order created for extortion/threatening purposes. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Simply by not buying their products. When i think 'boycott'; I think a lame mass of people banding together in some asanine cause. Don't agree with BIO's (or any company's) business plans then simply don't purchase their product or service. And, move on. "To the senseless captains of Electronic Arts: Fall under a bus and die, you rotten offspring of ignorance and folly." That above, is why scumbag like the article author need to be ignored. Because he dislikes a certain thing he doesn't need to get he wishes said creators to die. Absolutely pathetic. Don't need that kind of extremism. And, that's exactly what boycotts are. Extremism of the highest order created for extortion/threatening purposes. Okay, that makes much more sense. Thank you for clearing that up. And I'd have to agree with you about the author of that comment. Attitudes like that certainly won't help his cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Don't agree with BIO's (or any company's) business plans then simply don't purchase their product or service. Yes, Volly, that's what boycott means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) "Yes, Volly, that's what boycott means." Who are you, and why should I respond to your personal flamebait? Quote: "When i think 'boycott'; I think a lame mass of people banding together in some asanine cause." Game over, STRANGER, game over. "I don Edited May 8, 2008 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 "Yes, Volly, that's what boycott means." Who are you, and why should I respond to your personal flamebait? What flamebait? Quote: "When i think 'boycott'; I think a lame mass of people banding together in some asanine cause." Game over, STRANGER, game over. Another Volournian quote: "Don't agree with BIO's (or any company's) business plans then simply don't purchase their product or service." And yet another quote (not Volournian): "A boycott is the act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with someone or some other organization as an expression of protest." Game over, topic closed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 L0L Wiki L0L By that lame defintion when I decide not to buy Diet pop; I'm boycotting. LMAO Quite frankly, boycotting only works as a term when it's an organized multiple person event. Which is completely different than an individual's choice to refuse to purchase soemthing. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 "I don This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 L0L Wiki L0L Wiki is fine if you need to find a simple definition. By that lame defintion when I decide not to buy Diet pop; I'm boycotting. LMAO Not really. Boycotting implies that you might be interested in the product in question and would get it if the seller/manufacturer didn't make one decision or another. Quite frankly, boycotting only works as a term when it's an organized multiple person event. Which is completely different than an individual's choice to refuse to purchase soemthing. That is what we have here. Plenty of people are pissed off and say they're not buying to buy the game, cancel their pre-orders, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) "What? I have never gotten the feeling I Edited May 8, 2008 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I'd be interested in Diet Coke if they didn't make the decision to make it taste so darn awful that I chose to 'boycott' (your definition) it. Wrong. It's difficult to make diet coke taste any better without throwing in more sugar, and it would cease to be diet coke if they did it. Not quite. It's one thing for people seperately deciding to not buy soemthing than a group of peopel calling for actual organzied boycotts, peititions, and other nonsense. There's a huge difference between simply refusing to buy something and an actual boycott, imo. People are vocal about it and let the developer and the publisher know about their decision. I think this qualifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Continuing also from http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...5&start=165 , where I raised the issue. Krezack the insolent upstart shall be dealt with appropriately. However, I'm not particularly inclined to believe that if either you or I or both of us plus Gorth and Tigranes and so on don't buy the game that Bioware is really going to care much or attach any sigificance to it. They will probably just chalk to up to the fact that no one buys pc games anymore and not even bother porting their next release to pc at all. I think that is really the crux of the matter. The discursive dominance of the Piracy=End of PC Industry argument, which, in terms of empirical evidence is just as much a fallacy and disinformation as Video Games=Violent Mass Murders and Iraq WMD, is making sure that the real issues get buried under a wave of "YEAH ITS THE PIRATES". I'm not saying piracy doesn't hurt the industry at all, but even that originally crucial fact is made irrelevant by this amazing flood of discursive foot-stomping. A boycott, indeed - you need an organised group that can project the appropriate, correct discourse to fight this obstinacy. For all that you might say against NMA, that is exactly what they are trying to do with Fallout and it's more effective than the silent withdrawal of cash. In this case, anyway. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted May 8, 2008 Author Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Nah. They didn't sell out. And, boycotts are for cowards. Also, NWN's serves were awesome, and very dependable. IIRC, this isn't even the first time a BIO game has used Securom or some other protection method, and those games never truly suffered from those. *shrug* And, the Slashdot quote is retarded, and BIO has already addressed on their boards. In other words, a big yawn that means nothing. Like most anti BIo (or pick any big company or in BIO's case division) rubbish. Hey, does it ever, like, bother you that every second word out of your mouth is a shameless lie? Krezack the insolent upstart shall be dealt with appropriately. Oh snap. Edited May 8, 2008 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_i_am Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I love you Magical Volo! This sucks though, but it's not like I care about Bio. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 "I don “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 My first contact with the US in person was LAX. First I thought I actually ended up in Stalin's Russia, except the shops actually had stuff in them. Anyway, nobody really complains about CD-Keys, do they? That's equivalent to ID checks. The 10 day thing is like you're having a drink int he bar and every 10 minutes someone checks your ID. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) I Edited May 8, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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