No Timestop? Obs dropped the ball on this. That sucks.

It was a really uber spell. They didn't have a way to localize it to just an area effect. The Timestop stopped everything within the game. If someone casted Timestop in some dungeon area clear on the other side of the continent, so to speak, it would effect a town miles away. It is one of the reasons why PWs hated it.

That's a shame.

If the reason behind its removal was the fact that its implementation was a pain in the ass for PWs, I'd have thought it would've been to everyone's advantage for Obsidian to simply leave it in for the singleplayer game, then allow PW admins to script out Timestop on their servers on a case by case basis.

 

Isn't that even possible on NWN servers now? Scripting out certain spells / feats?

Yeah, but I won't shed a tear for its dismissal in the game for Deekin has made it in. And all is good in the world.

A cameo for the little kobold that could? Indeed.

 

I still say he was a pain in the ass, though. Now if he made a cameo as a pair of enchanted kobold skin shoes instead...

"They didn't have a way to localize it to just an area effect."

 

Then they suck.

 

"The Timestop stopped everything within the game. If someone casted Timestop in some dungeon area clear on the other side of the continent, so to speak, it would effect a town miles away. It is one of the reasons why PWs hated it."

 

I have played on many PWs that have scripted TS to only effect the area it is cast in. Heck, I've played PWs where TS only effects a certain range of the wizard.

 

If that's the reason why TS isn't in TS then they obviously didn't try hard enough.

 

Time Stop is a premiere level 9 spell. And, it's not overpowered. That's a myth. Nobody has died because of TS being cast.

 

P.S. deekin is overrated much like Minsc. *puke*

Edited October 24, 200619 yr by Volourn

TKvOlo.

TK?

T(echnical)K(nock)vO(ut)lo, I'd think

 

Clever boxing turn of phrase for the win!

Edited October 24, 200619 yr by legion

"They didn't have a way to localize it to just an area effect."

 

Then they suck.

 

"The Timestop stopped everything within the game. If someone casted Timestop in some dungeon area clear on the other side of the continent, so to speak, it would effect a town miles away. It is one of the reasons why PWs hated it."

 

I have played on many PWs that have scripted TS to only effect the area it is cast in. Heck, I've played PWs where TS only effects a certain range of the wizard.

 

If that's the reason why TS isn't in TS then they obviously didn't try hard enough.

 

Time Stop is a premiere level 9 spell.  And, it's not overpowered. That's a myth. Nobody has died because of TS being cast.

 

P.S. deekin is overrated much like Minsc. *puke*

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I fully agree, except with the P.S. part

I have played on many PWs that have scripted TS to only effect the area it is cast in. Heck, I've played PWs where TS only effects a certain range of the wizard.

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Why couldn't they just have had an AoE hold person spell that effects everybody but the caster? Same difference. If Time Stop only works within 50', anybody outside of that 50' effectively gains all the benefits of the spell. TS is supposed to affect the caster only, that's what made it powerful. Hence, the spell is useless if it only affects a certain area.

Edited October 24, 200619 yr by Pop

"Yeah, but I won't shed a tear for its dismissal in the game for Deekin has made it in. And all is good in the world. "

 

DUN DUN DUUUUN

I wouldn't know how it works in pnp D&D, but if NWN2 limted it to an area they could ensure that anybody who enters the affected area after casting is similarly effected (i.e. stopped) - just like if you cast Cloudkill, then someone enters that area, they are affected. So that timestop works more like a continuous paralysis effect in selected area except for caster. Of course, that would have to apply to projectiles and so forth; and there's the danger that if you stay just outside the timestop 'sphere' and fire what, ten arrows at the caster, as soon as timestop ends the caster will be hit by them - and I don't know if that's what we want.

 

I'd certainly have loved timestop in some form in the game, at least for singleplayer, though. It was especially lovely in BGs, if a bit OP. I thought in NWN1 it wasn't very overpowered (In SP) because there was only one of you, the timespan was relatively short and if you relied only on timestop you were guaranteed to get pounded as soon as it was over, anyway.

I don't really care either way about timestop. Seriously, it was a nice spell, and certainly very powerful, but I think I'll survive somehow.

 

It's not very important.

Edited October 24, 200619 yr by Lord Tingeling

There are many things that are not very crucial.

 

Let's talk about the word 'aggregate'.

Let's talk about the word 'aggregate'.

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I disagree. Individual FTW.

Then individually, Obsidian has

 

FAILED

 

with regards to timestop.

Perhaps it would be possible to mod in? Does the toolset allow that kind of freedom?

Sadly timestop will be missed but there are plenty of other great spells to choose from. .

I have played on many PWs that have scripted TS to only effect the area it is cast in. Heck, I've played PWs where TS only effects a certain range of the wizard.

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Why couldn't they just have had an AoE hold person spell that effects everybody but the caster? Same difference. If Time Stop only works within 50', anybody outside of that 50' effectively gains all the benefits of the spell. TS is supposed to affect the caster only, that's what made it powerful. Hence, the spell is useless if it only affects a certain area.

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But but but ... surely if a caster STOPS TIME, then time stops for everyone EXCEPT the caster ... I don't see the implementation of this on a PW instance as a bug, but a critical feature.

 

PS Deekin > Volo. "

"Hold Person will only affect lower-level opponents"

 

LOL

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Dang, the Vole is right. Hold Person does not have a hitdie restriction!

P.S. deekin is overrated much like Minsc. *puke*

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Deekin sucks. A kobold bard? What would they know about telling stories or singing when they can't even communicate intelligently.

Then individually, Obsidian has

 

FAILED

 

with regards to timestop.

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Failed is such a hard word to use on my beloved Obs devs.

 

More like an error on their part.

I wouldn't know how it works in pnp D&D, but if NWN2 limted it to an area they could ensure that anybody who enters the affected area after casting is similarly effected (i.e. stopped) - just like if you cast Cloudkill, then someone enters that area, they are affected.

that was my thought.

 

Of course, that would have to apply to projectiles and so forth; and there's the danger that if you stay just outside the timestop 'sphere' and fire what, ten arrows at the caster, as soon as timestop ends the caster will be hit by them - and I don't know if that's what we want.

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i think you could work it such that projectiles lose their forward momentum so that when it stops, everything simply drops to the ground. magic projectiles, however, such as magic missle, would continue, but they'd be potentially targeting something that is no longer there... i.e. they lose their tracking.

 

just a thought.

 

taks