Gfted1 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 The environmental factors aren't really "encouragement" of homosexual acts. But things such as types of social interactions, as well as overpopulation and other wierd stuff strongly correlated with homosexuality. So you feel a country with an extremely skewed sex ratio, say China, would be more likely to have a disproportionate amount of homosexuals over a country with a sex ratio closer to 50/50? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (edited) It's possible. I remember reading up about it one time. Social ostracization seems to be a relatively significant contributor as well, though I wouldn't be surprised if there has been some homosexuals that came from low population areas, and had positive social interactions. Having said that, I certainly don't discount physiology. I read the paper about 6 years ago now, so it's a bit fuzzier as a result. I vaguely remember that the idea wasn't even a strong disproportion of men to women, but rather just overpopulation and crowding in general. The culture of China is also very different than ours, and I'm not familiar enough with it to analyze any differences. Edited August 29, 2006 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 My own view is that they are perpetuating the falsehood that homosexuality is a 'condition' that can be cured.Ironically, this assertion has the same validity as the stuff on that page - zero. Please, prove that homosexuality *isn't* a condition. I'm not saying it is, by the way. I don't think homosexuality is genetic at all, precisely for that reason. Soon or later, such a gene would eventually disappear.Not really. There are many medical conditions that are caused by an inactive gene becoming active for some reason, for example. And some of those conditions are much more lethal than homosexuality (harlequin ichtyosis comes to mind). Also, and given the biochemical mechanism by which the parents' DNA is combined (the same mechanism by which brothers aren't identical), it could be some kind of error during the first stages of DNA replication. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (harlequin ichtyosis comes to mind) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's a nasty defect and very harmful. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 If it was truly genetic though, then wouldn't the children of homosexuals have a much greater chance of being homosexual themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (harlequin ichtyosis comes to mind Holy macaroni, I just googled that. Thank god the death is usually swift. *shudder* "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 If it was truly genetic though, then wouldn't the children of homosexuals have a much greater chance of being homosexual themselves?I didn't say it was "truly" genetic. I don't believe that. I was just addressing Pidesco's point that as a useless trait for the species (from a reproductive standpoint) it would be weeded out in time. At any rate, it's probably not in the same level as Mendelian genetics, but I don't know enough about it to answer the question with a "yes" or "no". I don't think anyone can, for that matter. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (edited) I remember a story I read once about a boy who very early in his childhood (soon after being born) had his **** burned off. Some doctors convinced the parents that with proper hormones and raising the guy as a girl he would in the end act like a girl himself. So after some operations he was "turned girl" Though he didn't want to do all girly stuff like play with dolls and when puberty hit he found himself in love with other girls... and when he hit like 20 they had to revert all the stuff and "make him man" again. Morale; Education/raising means jack... it is in the nature... Edit; how the hell can p-e-n-i-s become 4 *'s Edited August 29, 2006 by Hassat Hunter ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 He said he was turned girl. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 He said he was turned girl. No idea what you talk about (note to self: proofread more) ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 You're talking about yourself aren't you? Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 Wow, my thread is still here. I don't often visit these boards because most of the discussions are way out of my league. I'm thinking about it, but I don't want to waste my time if it proves ineffective. This website seems to aimed at men. While I can understand the material on that site, I can't relate to much of it since I'm a bit young and asexual. I'm actually feeling quite bi-curious lately :D Could be a sign of change...Could just be one of those teenage phases... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wait a minute...you're still a teenager? How old are you? EDIT: I see you're 15. It might be a bit early to claim you truly are asexual. Especially if you're starting to have some sexual curiosity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nah, I'm not having 'sexual' curiosity exactly. I'm just finding girls more appealing than I used to. I'm still disgusted by sex. I know it's way too early to be labeling myself, but I don't want people to assume that just because I like boys it means I want to have anal sex with them. This has happened too many times with my friends and they often offend me (not intentionally). I think he's referring to calling it "generic defect", as in we're somehow mutants. I think it's something that evolves when growing up, and I'm actually the third son in the family... triva for those who believe in the 3rd and 4th son theory. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How does that theory work? Is it the 3'rd/4'th son the mother has concieved, the father has planted, or the couples amount as a whole? I'm the only son in my family, although my mother did have a miscarriage before me which couldn't be identified as male or female because it was squished up badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokishi Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 That site is weird. Current 3DMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I don't think homosexuality is genetic at all, precisely for that reason. Soon or later, such a gene would eventually disappear.Not really. There are many medical conditions that are caused by an inactive gene becoming active for some reason, for example. And some of those conditions are much more lethal than homosexuality (harlequin ichtyosis comes to mind). Also, and given the biochemical mechanism by which the parents' DNA is combined (the same mechanism by which brothers aren't identical), it could be some kind of error during the first stages of DNA replication. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Furthermore, my understanding of the latest research (although I haven't checked it since we last had this topic, about six months ago ) is that there is MORE THAN one gene involved. In other words, (let's say) there are six genes, and they all confer some sort of benefit, though if they are all turned on (which happens in approximately ten percent of the population) then the person is prone to homosexuality. This doesn't preclude environmental factors (though they are irrelevant for this point). I forgot to address your point about nature breeding homosexuality out of existance if it was genetic. Has exactly that occured in all species except the great apes? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think strict homosexuality exists in nature (besides human beings, that is). There's plenty of sexual interaction between animals of the same sex, of course, but never exclusively. All animals are bound to get some heterosexual lovin' now and then. I could be wrong, though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are. There are many documented instances of homosexuality in nature, from chimpanzees and dogs to whales. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I was at a family reunion once, and we had two male dogs there. We were all sitting there eating, and then the one dog started tring to "mount" the other dog. He did it again when we tried taking a big family picture. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Did the mountee try to stop the mounter? OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Not really. It kind of moved in discomfort, but it didn't like try to bite the other one or anything. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Maybe they were going to take turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 There are many documented instances of homosexuality in nature, from chimpanzees and dogs to whales. There is a big one about the homophile necrofilic duck (sp?) ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 You are. There are many documented instances of homosexuality in nature, from chimpanzees and dogs to whales. And those animals never engage in heterosexual relations, under any circunstances whatsoever? "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I don't think that most people would stick around and find out. Even if they did that just means the animals are bisexual. At least the animals don't have to worry about some bible thumper yelling at them that they are going to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moth Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purgatorio Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 There aren't many bible bashers in Japan yelling insults at Snow Monkeys. S.A.S.I.S.P.G.M.D.G.S.M.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moth Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 This reminds me of a joke about a Preist, a Pastor, and a Rabbi who tried to convert a bear in the woods. Lesson learned by the rabbi: circumcision isn't really the best way to start out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 (edited) Edited August 30, 2006 by Judge Hades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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