Gunslinger Vs. Lightsaber?

[chenwong88]

So, are you a gunslinger Jedi or a a classic swordsman? My arguements start after the bold, the story is for your enjoyment "

 

 

 

I once walked the path of the ever famed lightsaber toting unstoppable monster, as has the rest of the world. Then, as I played, I enjoyed a slight tingling sensation, as I watched my Dark Jedi Atton gun down 6 sith before i could reach them... "Interesting." That was my first thought. I had never payed much attention to my scary scary blaster spamming party member. "So barbaric." In the words of Obi-Wan... But I noticed a pattern... Who was killing everything, me or Atton? The awnser my friends was: Atton.

 

In a frenzy I rushed to restart my file once again, taking the same Exile as always, ripping through the Character customization etc. recustomizing after i realized my mistakes untill I created, the only monstrosity that can destroy the "famed lightsaber toting unstoppable monster," which happens to be, the scary blaster toting unstoppable monster stopper!!

 

Anyways, that's my little story that I have to go with this, now for the real stuff.

 

Okay, personally as you can tell I prefer the gunslinger Jedi to the creepy twirp who plays with his "lightsaber" throughout the whole game.

 

Here you go:

Why!? "Why would you get rid of your lightsaber?" Well, I didn't the council took it, and I took heed of this lesson. :ph34r: Thank you council, who needs a lightsaber when you can gun down anything that moves. Same concept as our Ph34rful swordmonger but hey what else can I say? "Master Speed, Rapid fire." Why do I like blasters!?

 

First of all, you no longer need a Light saber in KotOR2 correct? Unarmed deflect Ftw.

 

Second of all, It's a general combat rule that unless the guy has a horse or something like that, Range>Melee.

 

Third, well you have plenty of people who can run in and distract them, take Atton for example, switch roles with him and you'll have a Blast(er) of a good time. First of all, yeah atton has wicked sick defense because of his massive DEX and 2 weapon fighting, turn him to a Dark Jedi asap and give him your Double blade or something, what do you get in return? Somebody who WILL NOT DIE (zomg he stood back up) and somebody who's not likely to in the first place.

 

Next, you can skip stun droid etc supposing you have a special place in your heart, for hating on droids that is, because you can mass ion damage into a pretty little package, OR you can grab some Mandalorian rippers with unstoppable damage, how's that sound to ya? So long as you've caught onto the whole "Upgrade Bench = your God." Factor in KotOR2 you'll figure out that Blasters deal HUGE DAMAGE. And you'll have more defense for going with blasters! (Say hello to DEX not STR, say hello to destroying people before they get a chance to hit you!)

 

Finally: No worries about which pesky lightsaber form you should use, and hohoho! No worrying about keeping that stupid crystal in tune. Who needs you anyways Kreia? Go crawl back under whatever rock you came from! Am I right?

 

Anyways, point is? I like gunslingers, what do you prefer?

 

P.S. Sorry if this is already a topic, but well forum searches just don't cooperate with me too much hate! Never find what I'm looking for (or maybe They do cooperate, and what I post is Always original :cool: but i doubt i'm actually cool like that.)

[Sturm]

Uh... Lightsabers for the win..

 

And no, I am not cowering in Catonic Terror of your Anime sig/avatar. And no I'm not scared of Ninja's

[mr_raider]

While ls builds win in the raw damage category, a properly built gunslinger can be pretty lethal. There soo many good feats for gun wielders in K2, it's a shame not try it once.

[Lord XAN]

Ehh... I anyway always use good old saber. Just like Bao-Dur said: You are not complete without your ligtsaber.

[Xard]

Lightsaber pwns, both in movies and games. Besides, lightsaber is jedi tool and sith weapon. However, blaster is only weapon

[Lost Jedi]

In actual effectiveness, I can see how blasters would beat all. Ranged is better, and Atton does most of the kills for my party (especially early in game, when I'm stuck with stupid vibroblades).

 

However, I'd go with lightsabers, just because.... they're so freaking cool! C'mon, it's just so neat to go through the levels slicing everyone to pieces. And I don't know why, but I'm a lightsaber freak. What kind of jedi uses blasters? Probably a more effective one. But not my exile.

[NecroDOS]

Yerp, I'd prefer a lightsaber over a blaster any day! Sure, blasters can be usful, but really.. If you're facing three dark Jedi what would you rather fight with, a clumsy old blaster or a lightsaber?

[DAWUSS]

My Exile uses pistols before switching to lightsabers

[SamuraiGaijin]

I can see the reasons for using blasters, at least until opponents get within melee range (oops - force wave).

 

Now, the true tests will be against the Jedi Masters, Sion, and Traya (I'd include Nihilus in this list if he wasn't such a pushover).

[LadyCrimson]

I just use the lightsabers. They're pretty. I did sometimes like to have my npc party members be gunslingers tho...it made sense to have them stand behind and back me up rather than getting in my way as they tried to charge into the fray. :D

[Purgatorio]

Light Sabers are perdy. :D

If I get all the feats for lightsaber and combat ie: Master Flurry Master power Attack, (Critical strike is useless). Then yes I do dabble in blasters ,who knows it may come in handy and the twirling looks good. But I prefer Light Sabers or standard sharp and pointy killing implement for non-Jedi...My PC uses blasters on Peragus against the Fire Extinguisher Droids. Mira uses them on Nar Shadda against the Kath Hounds in the distance. I should use grenades but I'm cheap.

Other than those it's Force Jump ,Force Wave ,then Storm. The most efficient killing sequence there is ,until Crush. Unless I'm feeling suicidal then it's just Force Jump then "bish bash bosh I cut off his leg and bring my Glow Stick of Death down on his head." To misquote ,this.

[NecroDOS]

I just use the lightsabers. They're pretty. I did sometimes like to have my npc party members be gunslingers tho...it made sense to have them stand behind and back me up rather than getting in my way as they tried to charge into the fray. :D

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That's not a bad set-up you got there... I have found it a brilliant tactic, while the enemy are focused on me the gun-slingers hang out at the back, guns at hand!

[Xard]

In actual effectiveness, I can see how blasters would beat all. Ranged is better, and Atton does most of the kills for my party (especially early in game, when I'm stuck with stupid vibroblades).

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However, in movies and in games too, character with blaster vs. character with lightsaber = one with the lightsaber wins

[alanschu]

Why would you choose a weapon that can be easily countered with the other weapon?

 

What good is a blaster if the person just deflects your shots back at you?

[NecroDOS]

:D Ha-hah! Yes, Alanschu brings up a great point there... Even the simplest of enemies can reflect a blaster bullet with a Vibroblade.

[Xard]

:D  Ha-hah! Yes, Alanschu brings up a great point there... Even the simplest of enemies can reflect a blaster bullet with a Vibroblade.

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Nope, with lightsaber

[Lost Jedi]

What if you take all levels of precise shot? And weapon focus blasters?

[Xard]

That is totally gameplay stuff

 

And still character specialized in lightsabers kicks blaster specialised charactersa ass

Edited August 25, 2006 by Xard

[OverPowered Godzilla (OPG)]

Wow whoever said guns and blasters are better than lighsabers do not no what their talknig about and have horrible character stats. Atton never get's kills for me. Unless your somehow cheating there is no way guns are better than sabers. I use master fury with my ultimate sith marauder set up and joyu lightsabser form and I can ANAILATE almsot any enemy within one round of attacks. Lightsabers can hit WAAAAAAAY HARDER if you have high strength and a good lightsaber combo. For exsample character crystal (full power character crystal), hurrikaine crystal, pontite lens, epert fencing emitter, and jolgern cell mark III or whatever it's called allows you do do way mroe damage. I have full upgraded attons, mandalores and hk-47's weapons. Mandalorian heavy carbines and madalorian disintegrators with the best upgrades possible wouldn't allow me to hit half the damage with a lightsaber and not to mention the maximum amount of tiems you can hit in one attack round with ranged is 3 and the max is 6 for lightsabers. Not only will the sabers do WAY more damage in ONE hit AND THEY can attack 6 TIMES but they can also give you mass attribute bonuses. I gurantee my Sith maruader or Sith lord could take on atton, mandalore, and hk-47 (all ranged weapons experts) with all fully upgraded gear no problem. I buff my sith marauder up to his max potential with best possible gear and do the same for all the other party members stated above and the maraduer will own them all. He will AVERAGE around 500 damage in ONE attack round and can hit a max of like 400 in one attack hit and there's 5-6 attacks per round when using my lightsaber form and master fury. The max I have ever hit with ranged is like 190. Compare that to 400. Now compare 3 WEAKER ranged attacks to 6 STRONGER melee attacks. Any saber master who knows wtf their doing would f##k any blaster expert up horrible. It would be ownage from the start. Two rounds of attacks and it's all over. Two rounds of attacks would average over 1000 hp of damage for my marauder. Think and use logic. sabers OWN BLASTERS!

[The Yeti of 66]

My Dex and defense is far higher than Atton's. On the difficult setting he wasn't getting any kills at all, while I was hardly touched. With the Soresu form I was rarely ever shot, and Kreia and her lightsabers couldn't even touch me. I doubt that could have been done with blasters. While that is definitely an interesting build, the lightsabers get bonuses in EVERY SINGLE combat situation with a simple pause and change. I can beat your blaster quite easily as a result. Nice fun, but definitely not better than the good ol' saber. Another thing, can your blasters do well at close range? Fights end quicker if you don't have to run constantly.

[Purgatorio]

Think Logically...

Okay. Sabers can't "OWN" anything. As a saber is. An Inanimate. Object.

 

What is this about Bandon's Light-Saber in K1? I read some where..(stuffed if I can find it now)about it having it's own special features.

[chenwong88]

:D  Ha-hah! Yes, Alanschu brings up a great point there... Even the simplest of enemies can reflect a blaster bullet with a Vibroblade.

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Oh? The simpilest of enemies DO NOT have the force deflect feat my friend. The simpilest enemies with lightsabers, maybe, but you're missing the point. I was not asking this from the perspective of a Starwars fan, i was saying it from the bottom of my efficiency wielding brain

 

This is all from memory, i'll go play in a little bit and come back with actual stats in a while (maybe a day to a week who knows but meh) Btw i'll throw in a list instead of my full explanation at the bottom...

 

First of all, as a proper gunslinger, you're likely to not only have ALOT higher defense than the enemy or a regular lightsaber jedi who likes to swing his sword around, but also a MUCH higher roll than the enemy. Why?

 

Well being a gunslinger, I need no str at all. Str chars need at least a bit of dex if they plan to use force powers... otherwise "Oops" he rolled a 5 along with his 15 base attack, he can hit me... Meanwhile i have like +8 dex bonus atm... That's +8 armor, (in a Jal Sha or w/e i get that gay cap but still it's armor... till i surpass that (w00t) ) and +8 attack roll (can't remember if dex adds damage) ... Nice isn't it? I can keep casting too.

 

Hey +8 attack roll... my char right now, who's like level 15, has a base attack roll of I think +28? And My weapon is far from finished, I also hit like 30-48 per hit or something... Along with my 4-5 attacks per hit (rapid shot/master speed) I basically kill everything i see in one combo. Not to mention the innate D&D master cleave, that allows me to wipe every person in combat before they get an attack roll. Supposing they do, Close combat feats, it's nice and hard to hit me isn't it? Especially when i'm getting an UPGRADED attack bonus instead of losing attack.

 

Throw in Atton being my melee monster (Oh look at that, he died, wait he stood back up with a bunch of hp!! ) along with Handmaiden, the other melee monster of doom (look at that! she can't die? WTF?!) I never get touched, i'm also most of the time, FAR out of range of those pesky AoE force powers that smoke, you guessed it, my tanks atton (again with the huge def here) and Handmaiden.

 

 

Okay, sorry for the really random statements above here it is in point form:

 

-Higher attack rolls

-Higher def

-Really nice damage, enough to rival the lightsaber

-Different experience (even some dialogue changes on Dantooine)

-Funnier to smoke Pretty boy and his flashy light saber with the lightsabers "countered" weapon

-Easily abused Cleave

-Party = invincible with atton?

-Cool gunslinger twirl with Y instead of lightsaber twirl (play through 6+ times like me and you'll get sick of the lightsaber one, if not sooner)

 

That's the main list, lets look at my last perk:

 

-Less of your party members screaming repetative stuff. Personally, With my Atton, he kicks ass to high hell, Although just not fast enough for my liking, When he gets his cleave feat (innate and unshown for anybody who want's to claim it's not a real feat) to start working tho... It is the damndest thing to have played through as much as me, and hear "There's more where that came from" or w/e the **** he says about 7x in quick succession in a damn row. It's like the creators wanted you to kill yourself, now I kill everything before he gets a chance to scream his insane little battlecrys (that or i'm killing everything, laughing at the speedy gunslinger monster and just don't hear him).

 

 

On a FINAL NOTE: Swords>All? I personally enjoy Swords more than anything, they make my day, who needs a sword made of light unless you're playing KotOR I (In which case you weild one, and go for [at the start when you have no crystals as a Jedi at least] The highly superior Sanasaki's blade... God that's a sweet weapon.

 

OMG i JUST read this and had to reply:

 

He will AVERAGE around 500 damage in ONE attack round and can hit a max of like 400 in one attack hit and there's 5-6 attacks per round when using my lightsaber form and master fury. The max I have ever hit with ranged is like 190. Compare that to 400. Now compare 3 WEAKER ranged attacks to 6 STRONGER melee attacks. Any saber master who knows wtf their doing would f##k any blaster expert up horrible. It would be ownage from the start. Two rounds of attacks and it's all over. Two rounds of attacks would average over 1000 hp of damage for my marauder.

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Okay, i'd like to say WOW, JUST WOW... First of all, I've made a light saber, best crystals availiable, sith marauder, all close combat feats, etc etc etc. I would like to ask you... WTF?

 

"He will AVERAGE around 500 damage in ONE attack round and can hit a max of like 400 in one attack hit"

 

Not only is "400" damage in ONE hit, impossable might i say supposing you're not abusing a glitch... But how would 400 max deviate into 500 average? 400 max? seriously cmmon man.

 

I've made that jedi. IT doesn't do that much damage.. It hits maybe over 100 on critical hits man.

 

First thing i'd like to point out is your flawed logic. 400 max cannot and will not ever average to 500 in one round.

 

6 attacks. Divide 500 by 6 attacks as an average. you get approx 84, this is giving you the benefit of the doubt. With lightsabers and the implied weapon your max is probably going to be little over 100+ damage somehow per regular swing. By my calculations, your MAXIMUM critical hit, would NEVER do more than 350 damage or so supposing you used power attack (which if i'm correct, increases crits to 3x, instead of 2x) and if i'm wrong, your max would at MOST only be approximately what? 230? some **** dmg like that? Or is your character level 100+ with like +30 str bonus? Cmmon, don't bull**** me.

 

 

Also wouldn't that mean (supposing i'm remembering correctly) Hitting with our good friend maxed power attack (on which criticals cause triple and knockdown) NOT ALLOWING FOR 6 ATTACKS but 5? (I don't remember the sith marauder being able to use an attack which lets him gain an extra attack, and even if there is, i beleive it was rage, which would be overritten by Speed, making max attacks THREE. supposing you use triple crit on power attack.) So if i'm right, you're full of **** friend. Please, back some stuff up with actual game quotes etc, don't just spew out approximated, and exxagurated numbers. Come back with Real figures, not 400 damage max meanwhile you say "500 damage average" per round. How do you plan to do 400 dmg and 500 per round hitting 6x? wouldn't that average to a much higher number? Your logic is flawed.

Edited August 26, 2006 by chenwong88

[DeathScepter]

Think Logically...

Okay. Sabers can't "OWN" anything. As a saber is. An Inanimate. Object.

 

What is this about Bandon's Light-Saber in K1? I read some where..(stuffed if I can find it now)about it having it's own special features.

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The trick is to go to Manaan to fight Darth Bandon there to get his special verison of his double lightsaber.

[chenwong88]

I created, the only monstrosity that can destroy the "famed lightsaber toting unstoppable monster," which happens to be, the scary blaster toting unstoppable monster stopper!!

 

Okay, personally as you can tell I prefer the gunslinger Jedi to the creepy twirp who plays with his "lightsaber" throughout the whole game.

 

Here you go:

Why!? "Why would you get rid of your lightsaber?"  Well, I didn't the council took it, and I took heed of this lesson.  :ph34r:  Thank you council, who needs a lightsaber when you can gun down anything that moves.  Same concept as our Ph34rful swordmonger but hey what else can I say? "Master Speed, Rapid fire."  Why do I like blasters!?

 

Anyways, point is? I like gunslingers, what do you prefer?

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I would like to CLARIFY this topic.

 

First of all for those who are misquoting me, I'd like to note that this is the ONLY point where i have specifically said that any gunslinger has ever been better than a lightsaber user.

 

Second of all, i'd like to point out, that when i normally create a character, i create a consular, whom of course as we all know has the absoloute **** health (thereby my character could kill it before it got in range of attack/could spam force powers to kill me, it would be an instant wipe with my 30 and 32+ to attack roll which my characters never have more than like 20 def). This justifies that above statement, and i'm sorry if it confused anybody, i'd just like to clear that up and ask people to stop claiming that I illicately stated that "Gunslingers>Lighsabers."

 

For those still reading you can see my characters stats at the bottom, i fudged them cuz i havn't got my next class nor have i built it correctly, but meh.

 

One thing I would like to point out, is this thread, was originally ment to be a push in the right direction (which it still might be, i don't know) of getting more people to experience the gunslinger character. Yes, yes, "lightsabers are cool" blah blah blah, but Blasters are too. I'm just saying, Go play a gunslinger. (also please note, that in a sales pitch, you push for your point of view. You DO NOT say "Yeah well gunslingers are cool go try one, except you'll deal alot more damage and get a cool glowy sword if you take lightsaber", just a note to all of you idioits out there who don't understand that.) If you don't make a gunslinger, you will never experience the whole game properly, it's a good thing to do to: get your moneys worth/have a little more fun on one of your various playthroughs. I also don't want to see any more "Gunslingers suck, Lightsabers are cooler and do more damage." bullcrap, it's beating a dead horse. It's also not what I asked, I said which do you prefer.

 

 

I would now like to change that statement to "Which do you prefer and why?" Also, I would like to ask you not to beat the dead horse, it has been given enough of a beating. Say what perks you prefer either Lightsaber or Gunslinger for. Not "I do more dmg" More like "I deal ALOT more damage, I get the Force Jump Feat, I make everybody my bitch in about 20 seconds flat." Also, please, for the sake of people like me who have to destroy rediculous statements, please, DO NOT, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, post that you deal "400" damage, in a single swing, without any evidence, other than trying to simply speculate that you own more than me.

 

 

Armor: Zeison Sha Iniate Armor

 

Defense Bonus: 4

Maximum Dexterity Bonus: 4

 

Saves: +1 fortitude, +1 Reflex

 

+8 stealth

+2 Dexterity

+1 Constitution

+3 HP Regeneration Bonus

Not great, but it's probably giving me more Def than most characters out there. Nice perk no? (Also note, if i take off my Armor, i actually gain +1 def at this point, which is rather interesting.)

 

Weapon: Manalorian Ripperx2 (Not maxed on the add ons department either... at least i think)

 

3-8 unstoppable dmg +7-35 dmg (10-43 for those of you who can't figure that out)

18-20 Critical Threat Range (x2 on critical)

 

25% chance to stun, DC 18 save, 6 second stun

+2 on attack rolls

 

Char level: 20, starting third planet (Not finished second, as it was Onderon or wherever the crap you can't get your master, bah bah bah i'm lazy )

Character stats: 18-51 damage hits with +31-33 attack roll

26 defense, which again, is laughable considering my +27 without my armor on.

8 str -1 bonus

29 dex +4 bonus with armor +8 without (actually +9 with armor, to attack roll at least)

12 con +1

14 int +2

13 wis +1

12 char +1

 

14 fort saves

22 reflex saves

11 will saves

 

That's the basics of my character, they're rather satisfactory to me, considering my guns aren't maxed, i've got other perks (like my no armor with nice def rating, etc). That, and I'm getting a whole new gameplay experience. Not to mention if i pleased, I could easily abuse the run away and shoot crap and never get hit by non ranged non casters (Kreia's lightsabers a prime example which some people [never me] have trouble with.)

[vaxen83]

Lightsabers for a few reasons. Blaster shots can be deflected with them, assuming that one has advanced Jedi defence feat, also if one has an Expert fencing emitter equipped in an equipped lightsaber. If you have around 200+ Force points or so, you can easily use Advanced Throw lightsaber which will deal ranged damage to around 3 enemy targets, and it always hits, although damage dealt is not exactly fixed, contingent on character level of lightsaber user. Used it with those two gun turrets that were positioned on high platforms where melee attacks were not allowed.

Edited August 26, 2006 by vaxen83