Gromnir Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 you folks can't stay on a topic for two whole pages? no wonder so many kids is on ritalin. in any event, Gromnir played not a single one of the nominees, so we not got much input on that issue. however, we thinks that kotor2 was, in many ways, superior to kotor... but obsidian seemed to make its mistakes and blunders as impressive as its success. were as much to hate "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Judge Hades Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I just hope they learned their lesson with KotOR 2. Never do business with LucasArts.
mkreku Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Actually.. When we have our yearly vote on Spel Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish!
Laozi Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I just hope they learned their lesson with KotOR 2. Never do business with LucasArts. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ya and how to use them as a total cop-out People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
Judge Hades Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I cannot believe that. Every game has at least one major if not a couple major flaws in it. There is no such thing as a flawless or near flawless game.
mkreku Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 (edited) I cannot believe that. Every game has at least one major if not a couple major flaws in it. There is no such thing as a flawless or near flawless game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sure it has. All I said was that *I* couldn't find one (except minor ones). Edit: Too many capital letters. Edited December 18, 2005 by mkreku Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish!
Gromnir Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I just hope they learned their lesson with KotOR 2. Never do business with LucasArts. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> is very easy to blame LA. the big and mean publisher... etc. but you know what? LA has managed to release some good games, ad for all its shortcomings, the original kotor were, at the very least, a complete game. might be attractive to blame all problems on a publisher, and in this case it might even be valid to be doing so, but rarely is things so simple. blame interplay and blame lucas and blame atari. at some point obsidian folks is gonna have to get beyond such things as blame of publishers (public or private,) 'cause blame won't improve sales by even a single unit. just ask timmy cain. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Judge Hades Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 (edited) Thing is Gromnir, I can forgive the state of TSL on its initial release, but afterwards I expect a developer and publisher to support their games though patches and additional work if needed. Obsidian wanted to do this but Lucas Arts told them no many additions that Obsidian and Chris A. wanted to do. Also they dragged their knuckles on its one patch and the media patch as well. Now I am not asking for NWN style of support and patching, but something along the same lines as KotOR 1 would have sufffice butt LA said no. So who is to blame? The ones who said no. Edited December 18, 2005 by Judge Hades
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Another vote for Resi 4 (since I cant nominate FFXII till next year). LA has produced some good stuff. They have also produced some really awful stuff. Probably enough of both so there is no real pattern to it. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Volourn Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 (edited) "Hahaha, Volourn is going to wear out a keyboard with all the whining about how Gamespot means nothing and excuses ad nauseum." Gamespot isn't the be all end all. Should I point out all the other sites that have JE up for 'Best RPG of the Year'? Gamespot rated KOTOR 90%+ (which it didn't deserve), and NWN 90%+ (which it did deserve) as well? Do you think those games deserve that and that GS is correct always? Consideirng how much you dislike NWN; I seriously doubt you think GS was right in giving it a 90%+? Hahahahahaha!!! JE is better than over half of BIO's games so GS syaing its a disspaointment comapred to thsoe games means very little to me. P.S. KOTOR2 deserves to be on the list as well. Considering the fact I have no interets in playing any of those 'so called rpgs' on this list, KOTOR2 definitely along with JE belongs there. Ah well. No accounting for GS's taste. My best game voyte goes to either Madden 2006 for PS2 (it has only 2 flaws, imo) and JE (which also has a couple of flaws). Edited December 18, 2005 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Hurlshort Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 That's a pretty odd disappointing game list on Gamespot as well...JE is put on thier because it was an above average game and not a perfect one, and Madden and Tony Hawk were put on there for using the same formula that has worked well for years. They even say Madden is great...how can you say the game is great and put it on the list? Madden and Tony Hawk gave you exactly what you were expecting, that's not disappointing in my eyes. I've heard about a lot more disappointing games this year than the 5 they listed.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Gamespot isn't the be all end all. Should I point out all the other sites that have JE up for 'Best RPG of the Year'? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Those would be Xbox exclusive sites. In which case you could also award it only RPG of the year as well. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Volourn Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 (edited) Huh? 1up is x-box exlusive? Who'd have thunk it. Please stop making things up. It's embarassing to have to correct you so completely. And,. as per usual, your second part of the statement is wrong too. JE is up for X-BOX GAME OF THE YEAR at Gamespy. Any more errors you wanna share with us? How amny times can SP be wrong on the same issue in sucha small amount of time. Let us see. Stay tuned... Edited December 18, 2005 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Huh? 1up is x-box exlusive? Who'd have thunk it. Please stop making things up. It's embarassing to have to correct you so completely. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Never heard of them. That will be the day. Still it's as amusing as ever watching you fall on your sword in defence of such a mediocre game I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Volourn Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 LOL Haven't heard of 1up. As for medicore games, don't you have to back to POR2? " DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 As for medicore games, don't you have to back to POR2? " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> see how you have to scrape the very bottom of the barrel to make JE actually look good compared to something. Priceless. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Volourn Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Nah. I'm just letting people know about your favorite game so they know your point of view. Just to be fair. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Nah. I'm just letting people know about your favorite game so they know your point of view. Just to be fair. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like anyone is going to believe that Do you see me falling on my sword at the mention of PORII ? Thought not. Guess it's lucky for Bioware that they chose the Xbox. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Blank Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Guess it's lucky for Bioware that they chose the Xbox. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it's lucky for me too, since the xbox is all i've got for means of a gaming system.
mkreku Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 That's a pretty odd disappointing game list on Gamespot as well... It's not that odd, really. What Volourn fails to understand (because his hard-on for Jade Empire probably poked out an eye or something) is that even though Jade Empire is a good game, it doesn't match the great games Bioware has released before. Going from great to good isn't the worst thing that could happen, but it's still a step back and a disappointment. All in all, they're complimenting Bioware and acknowledning their status as the world's premiere creators of CRPG's, and only a true Bioware fanboi can fail to see that just because their one 'not so classic' title gets a bad rap. Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish!
Volourn Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 (edited) That's funny. If I'm such a BIO fanboy why do I consider KOTOR overrated? Also, why haven't I played two of their games? Weird. Your definition of fanboy seems to be skewered. JE is a classic RPG. In fact, outside of NWN in a DMed game or a very heavy RP mod, JE is BIO's best game role-playing wise. Game over. Edited December 18, 2005 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 It's not that odd, really. What Volourn fails to understand (because his hard-on for Jade Empire probably poked out an eye or something) . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Classic I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
BattleCookiee Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Just looked at the list, shouldn't this be: Worst TrendRushing games No inovation whatsoever... Dynamic in-game advertising "Next-gen" retail prices Same game, different title Instead of? Worst TrendAll the lousy poker games All the lousy "urban"-themed games Dynamic in-game advertising "Next-gen" retail prices Same title, different game
Diamond Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 ^ I would add WWII-themed games, but I guess it is just me pesonally
BattleCookiee Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Yeah, but when changing things you cannot add things. If I made the list "making RTS 3D" would also be included...
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