Grone Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Judge Hades, you really should play Bloodlines. Pirate it, if you can't stand paying the odd buck. You're missing a part of modern rpg history here. If for nothing else, then you could play it to give more merit to your arguments over the good an bad of crpgs nowadays. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If I see it in the bargin bin for $10 I will probabl pick it up but I don't pirate games. Not any more. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ToEE is one of the worst games I've ever played, and Bloodlines one of the best. Just goes to show that developers can learn from their mistakes. Unless of course Atari is the publisher Extensive Pillars Review & IE-retrospective | GURPS: The Witcher | Let's Play: Way of the Wicked | Where Journalism Goes to Write Itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Bloodlines is one of the best games out there. I rate it right up there with the mighty Fallout games and BG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 BL is good; but nowhere near that level. Not with the bugs, and some of the worst combat ever. Not to mention the unevenness of the story and role-playing progression. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 BL is good; but nowhere near that level. Not with the bugs, and some of the worst combat ever. Not to mention the unevenness of the story and role-playing progression. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 ^Agreed. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janmanden Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Just goes to show that developers can learn from their mistakes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually...NOT. Troika made that totally unbelievably stupid mistake of thinking that they could pull both ToEE and Bloodlines off at the same time. All the tech-heads went into ToEE and all the creative minds into Bloodlines. Dum!! Combined it would have totally ruled... Sheesh. (Signatures: disabled) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 But never never never give it to Marcus. Friendly fire isn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Never give Marcus an automatic. He'll blast you to bits. I give him the Turbo Plasma rifle, nervously of course. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I always give him a minigun I guess I'm just one of the few who see him as a fire and forget weapon and stay the heck out of the way <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did that once. He chunked me and Vic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Blame Vic, that's what I always do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Well, the best turn based CRPG on the current market is Silent Storm. It is really too bad Obsidian can't or won't make a game like that with their own special touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 BL is good; but nowhere near that level. Not with the bugs, and some of the worst combat ever. Not to mention the unevenness of the story and role-playing progression. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is an interesting phenomenon that RP usually starts out great, but as games progress (not just Bloodlines), it becomes increasingly hack and slash with less roleplaying elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 (edited) They probably spend a lot of time working on the first couple of areas, then realise they only have a couple of months left. Jade Empire was more or less the same. You had a very uneven chapter distribution and the last level could have just been the Star Forge with a different skin. Edited December 10, 2005 by ShadowPaladin V1.0 I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleCookiee Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Well, the best turn based CRPG on the current market is Silent Storm. It is really too bad Obsidian can't or won't make a game like that with their own special touch. Could be because OE makes RPG's and not TBS-games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Blame Vic, that's what I always do <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's ok. One time they got in my line of fire with a rocket launcher. Oppps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Silent Storm is not really an RPG. It has some elements, but it has even less than Jagged Alliance 2, which I wouldn't really call an RPG either. But then we are just arguing about the definition of RPG... Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone. It's heavy on the Vampire stuff. It's dark and has lots of cleavage. I just want more games where combat isn't the entire focus. I'm partial to TB because I'm slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone. It's heavy on the Vampire stuff. It's dark <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's what makes it great for me. Plus it has an awesome soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterSun Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 You forgot to mention the cleavage And vampires are totally mid-nineties.We need RPG's about Vikings and Pirates :D master of my domain Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haitoku Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone. It's heavy on the Vampire stuff. It's dark and has lots of cleavage. It's a great game. I thought the combat could have been a hole lot better though. You'd think a game using a the source engine would have much better physics. It felt like I was playing GTA3. <_< Edited December 11, 2005 by Haitoku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I'm sure T&A is a major plus for a game to you boys but not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone. It's heavy on the Vampire stuff. It's dark <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's what makes it great for me. Plus it has an awesome soundtrack. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I love the "Isolated" track in Jeanette's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) I can't really stand any of the licensed music. Sure, it fits the world feel very well, but I try to avoid most of the havens because of it. Edited December 11, 2005 by Musopticon? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 The reason why I liked it is because of the context it's used in. If it fits the world and provides appropriate atmosphere, how can you not like it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I don't know. I don't dig goth joints anyway. Maybe that's the reason? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grone Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Just goes to show that developers can learn from their mistakes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually...NOT. Troika made that totally unbelievably stupid mistake of thinking that they could pull both ToEE and Bloodlines off at the same time. All the tech-heads went into ToEE and all the creative minds into Bloodlines. Dum!! Combined it would have totally ruled... Sheesh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've completed Bloodlines five times, and I've only run into 1 bug, which the patch dealt with nicely. Secondly, the combat is not bad. It is just different from ordinary roleplaying games. I'm one of the biggest Baldur's Gate fans out there, and I stille rate CRPG's like this: 1. Planescape: Torment 2. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 3. Baldur's Gate 4. Fallout 5. KotOR I don't really care about technical mistakes or combat when I'm playing a CRPG, because it's about roleplaying. ToEE, NWN and games like that didn't offer 1% of that in their games. Extensive Pillars Review & IE-retrospective | GURPS: The Witcher | Let's Play: Way of the Wicked | Where Journalism Goes to Write Itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 You see, the problem isn't exactly combat, but the sad fact that there was just oo much of it in the game. THe ropleplaying parts were the best and possibly the most immersive in ever, but the las third of the game was just too much. The other problem is that you're a fanboy. We know the type. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hmm, my RPG list goes like this: 1. Might and Magic 3 (introduced me to the genre) 2. Fallout (brought me back to the genre) 3. Baldurs Gate 4. Daggerfall (just because I played it forever) 5. KotOR (first game I played through in a long while) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) Lists? Oh goody. -100. Torment 1. Baldur's Gate 2(introduced me to the genre) 2. Gothic 1(just very enjoyable) 3. Fallout 2 4. Icewind Dale 2 5. FF 6 Edited December 11, 2005 by Musopticon? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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