ramza Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Since my current pc is kinda old (AMD Duron 700Mhz 128RAM 30Gb) and can't play NWN and Kotor, i need to get a new one. I have found some offers on a french website and I was wondering if I could find a good bargain. I already know this company and they are quite reliable. I am just looking for a pc that will allow me to play Kotor 1 and 2, and some other games that have high requirements. So, i need your suggestions to help me find a pc that suits my needs. Moreover, I don't want to spend a lot of money on that new pc. So far, I think that this offer is quite good: http://www.surcouf.com/Catalogue/ficheprod...product=9585497 And here's the link with all the offers: http://www.surcouf.com/Catalogue/ListeProd...px?idnoeud=1494 Thanks in advance! Cheers. "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 It's short on RAM. You'll want absolutely no less than 512 Mb to run games (and WinXP unless you are going for 2k or linux!) relatively smoothly. You should also try to find out what the motherboard model is. I can't say about the graphics card, I don't know that one. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Anything less than 512 ram is a sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramza Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 So, is this one better? http://www.surcouf.com/Catalogue/ficheprod...product=9585489 Ouch! My poor wallet! "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Flame Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 So, is this one better?http://www.surcouf.com/Catalogue/ficheprod...product=9585489 Ouch! My poor wallet! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Video card is already low range, and will be worthless pretty dang soon. I'd say shove what they're all saying, and go for one gigabyte RAM, minimum, as 512 is rather pitiful too, and if you're buying this for gaming, why the hell are you going Intel rather than AMD? Really, you'd be better off taking the plunge and building your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finger of Death Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I like DIY. 754 sempron is good,if you have more money,754 athlon is better. 512MB DDR400 is basic,I want up to 1G. MX4000 is too old and not powerful,R9550 is good(128bit 128MB). If I tell you I'm good You would probably think I'm boasting If I tell you I'm no good You know I'm lying ---Bruce Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramza Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 The thing is that I just want a new pc in order to be able to play some of the games i already own. So, my main concern is getting something cheap that would let me play NWN and Kotor 1&2. I will buy a better computer (a laptop probably) when i will finish my studies (in 2 or 3 years probably): I will then use that one to play the newest games (NWN2, DA, etc). "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Flame Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I'm fairly sure Digit of Death knows what he's talking about, but I think the parts have different names in China, because even though a video card such as he described would be mid range, I'm not familiar with the name (R9550?) or the processor he mentioned. Then again, he said he works in a PC shop, so he probably should know what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 laptops suck for playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I'd go with something like this: Athlon 64 3200+ 512 DDR(1024 is far better) 160GB hard-disk GeForce 5700 Ultra(or 6600 GT) DVD-WR\CD-RW combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Master Dakari Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 I'd go with something like this:Athlon 64 3200+ 512 DDR(1024 is far better) 160GB hard-disk GeForce 5700 Ultra(or 6600 GT) DVD-WR\CD-RW combo I like your combo, but always keep in mind that a smaller hard drive means faster loading speeds. And if you're going to go this far with the new computer, don't cheap-out on nVidia cards. Instead, make the better investment and get an ATi card. "Learn to harness your anger and control your fear. Dominate your emotions! But do not let them overcome you; for they can surely cause you to fall to the dark side. If you expect to win against a Sith then you need to fight like a Sith! If you do not, you will always be met with defeat." -- Jedi Master Seraphis Dakari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 That depends on the card IMO 6600 GT is better than X700 pro and it also has support for pixel shader 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Flatus Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 For the people that have gone DIY is there any cost advantage in doing so or is it purely for customisation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 and if you're buying this for gaming, why the hell are you going Intel rather than AMD? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because Intel is actually better. AMD you just get more for your money. At least thats what the guys who own the computer store back home and my friends in Engineering said. For the people that have gone DIY is there any cost advantage in doing so or is it purely for customisation? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you build it yourself you have better customization, and you can shop around for good parts for cheap. The only problem is if you don't know how to put one together, you can end up with a messed up system. If you can find a good computer store you can make a list of the stuff you want, show it to them, they can figure out if it will all work together, suggest parts you may have forgot or don't know enough about to choose, and find the cheapest place to get them. Then for the cost of labour, they'll usually assemble it for you if you don't know how. That how I did mine. They didn't even charge me labour for it because they were so honoured that I was building such a beast and letting them play with it. I built a dual Xeon 2.4 system 3 years ago, so it was the most powerful machine they had even seen. They were actually upset when I came to pick it up. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcleaver Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 So, is this one better?http://www.surcouf.com/Catalogue/ficheprod...product=9585489 Ouch! My poor wallet! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Video card is already low range, and will be worthless pretty dang soon. I'd say shove what they're all saying, and go for one gigabyte RAM, minimum, as 512 is rather pitiful too, and if you're buying this for gaming, why the hell are you going Intel rather than AMD? Really, you'd be better off taking the plunge and building your own. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ... Making the individual parts of great quality, but who knows how well it'll work. Especially if you install it yourself, which is fairly necessary if you want to avoid paying an exorbitant amount of money for such services. You should do the research that it would take to build your own, and look at your options. If you want a warranty of any sort on the computer as a whole, and don't want to have to pay a huge amount of money for people to even LOOK at your hardware for tune-ups, or get the training yourself, or train yourself (which is a little bit dangerous) well... you might not want to build your own, and that's your choice. I found a pretty kickbutt deal on Ebay with a consistent seller... so that's one option... but you really should probably do research about every single part of the computer you can. And confirmed about the ATi vs. Nvidia. Nvidia, from what I've heard, has more stable software support, but a lot of Ati's cards are better in terms of speed. Another thing to consider is SLI; SLI allows two cards to function together as one and add power to eachother. But it only works with certain motherboards, that actually SUPPORT SLI, and that use PCI-E ports. ATi cards don't have SLI yet. What SLI means is that later on you could buy a double for your Nvidia card, depending on if SLI is supported for that particular Nvidia card, and increase the power. That wouldn't mean any improvement in actual software DX support, but it would be a cheaper way to upgrade than buying a next-generation card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Flame Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 and if you're buying this for gaming, why the hell are you going Intel rather than AMD? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because Intel is actually better. AMD you just get more for your money. At least thats what the guys who own the computer store back home and my friends in Engineering said. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How long ago was this? I'd say a few years back, P3 days at the latest, they had an edge over AMD. But since then, they've really fallen behind. The P4 line was virtually useless to anyone who doesn't run 10+ apps at the same time, or does media work (video, audio, etc.), most people who do that kind of work choose Mac anyway, as it's the industry standard for those sorts of tasks. Their 64 bit processors, last I checked, weren't even really a new core, so much as Xeon with it's legs cut out from under it. For any normal user, or a gamer (AMD processors are better at doing large amounts of mathematical computations, which is rather important for gaming), AMD is really a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loof Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nah intel had faster CPU's for at least half a year before AMD64 was released. From what I read, if you want a gameing computer today AMD64 is the right choice both in price and speed, but intel still ha sbetter performance for multitasking desktop usage due to hyperthreading which amd doesnt have yet (but I hear they will eventualy)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Flame Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nah intel had faster CPU's for at least half a year before AMD64 was released. From what I read, if you want a gameing computer today AMD64 is the right choice both in price and speed, but intel still ha sbetter performance for multitasking desktop usage due to hyperthreading which amd doesnt have yet (but I hear they will eventualy)... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hyperthreading isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's extremely inefficient if you don't multitask, and lots of programs don't even support it. Kinda like SLI really. Also, the Intel processors were 'faster', but much less efficient. AMD still held top honors in all the Gaming Rig reviews I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loof Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Umm where in my post did i say hyperthreading was good for anything except multitasking? And no prior to amd64 intel cpu's where faster on most tasks includeing gameing but yes to managed that they run at much higher clockfrequenzies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 But can anyone say if a Geforce 6600GT is faster than a regular 6800? DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loof Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Im pretty sure 6800GT is faster then 6800, but I dont have any good numbers on how much faster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Thats faster but I was asking about 6 6 0 0 GT versus 6800 regular. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 6800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loof Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Drat my reading comprehension is at low tide today I see... To make up for it I just looked up a benchmark (anandtech) and acording to the one I looked at the preformance difference is next to nonexistant, looked like 6600GT was a few fps faster in about half the tests and a few fps slower in the rest. So acording to my quick and dirty power/price calculation a 6600GT is a better buy since its about 500kr cheaper. (enligt buggy s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 From what I know 6600 GT is as powerful as 6800 LE 6800 is still more powerful than a 6600GT,tho the later one has a better price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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