Mad_Scientist Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Ok, I'm sure most people here are at least somewhat familar with the fact that a lot of content was cut from KotOR II, especially around the infamous ending. Many people have discussed this many times in various threads over in the spoilers board. There also has been tons of talk about ways some of this content might be restored. I know a ton of people, myself included, would love to see some of the cut content added. Many of us would even be willing to pay something for it, depending on how much content was being added and how much it would cost. In addition, there has been much talk about modders possibly using some of the recorded dialogue, design files, and other stuff that has been discovered, to add some of the cut content themselves. While a mod that restored some of the cut content would be nice, an official solution would be much nicer, in my opinion. There are some very skilled and cool modders out there, but Obsidian obviously has a much better grasp on what the ending and other cut content was going to be like, as well as access to all the work that had already been done, a good knowledge of the engine, etc, etc. The purpose of this thread here is to outline and discuss various ways Obsidian could restore the cut content. While my hopes of this happening are very slim, I'm not giving up yet. My purpose here is only to provide CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions and comments on how this content could be added, not to complain about it being missing. So let's keep this thread civil, please. And now, on to the ideas. Content Patch: Obsidian releases a patch for the game that does more than just fix bugs, it also adds content. In particular, this would probably expand the ending and add the HK-Factory quest. Some additional content might be added as well, who knows. That would be nice. I'd be first in line to say thank you, and offer Obsidian my firstborn as a reward if this occured. I've even heard somewhere that Obsidian asked Lucasarts if they could do a content patch, so there might be some hope for this. But unfortunately, there are some pretty big issues that make this seem unlikely, in my mind. One issue that would occur with adding any new content is that it is going to cost both money and time. And a free content patch would provide little tangible reward to Obsidian and Lucasarts. I know there are probably some people that, having heard about the cut content and the ending, have decided not to buy KotOR II, at least not yet. A content patch would probably get these people to buy the game. But how large a number are those people? There's no way to know, and therefore no way to really have an idea how much a content patch would effect sales. The other reward a content patch would provide is some goodwill from fans. But that is something very hard to measure, and let's face it, Lucasarts is a business. How would they put a value on the goodwill that might be generated if they authorized and funded a content patch? And how much of that goodwill would even be directed towards Lucasarts? How many people would just say "I knew Obsidian had it in them, Lucasarts was just holding them back. Thank you, Obsidian. Lucasarts, I still hate you!"? Another big issue with a content patch is the Xbox. There's no way Lucasarts and Obsidian are going to want to restore some of the cut content to PC users but leave Xbox users in the dark. So how would this content be added to the Xbox? Xbox Live? I'm not an expert on the technical issues, but I'm not sure if it's even possible for KotOR II to have stuff added via Xbox Live. In addition, while almost everyone with a PC has internet access, a lot of people don't have Xbox Live. So how would this restored content be gotten to Xbox users? Is it possible for perhaps some special bonus disk to be released in order add the content? And of course, there is the issue of save game compatibility. Adding any extensive new content could cause issues here. I know I myself wouldn't care too much if I had to restart the game to see the new content, (I plan to replay it several times anyways) but I can just see posts on various forums saying things like "HEY WHAT THE HECK?! I was halfway through the game when I heard about some big patch, so I downloaded it, and now my savegames don't work!" Special Edition of KotOR II? Obsidian and Lucasarts release a special edition of KotOR II that has the cut content restored, and perhaps some brand new content as well. This has some obvious advantages and disadvantages to it. Comparing it to a content patch, for example, it doesn't have a problem with getting the new content to both PC and Xbox users. This would be the ideal solution for those who have not yet purchased KotOR II, as both PC and Xbox users would be able to buy the SE and have access to the cut content right out of the box, with no need to download anything. But for those who already have payed $50 for the regular edition of the game, this could be very annoying, depending on how much cut/extra content was in this version. Some people might buy the SE, but others might refuse to buy it, simply because they would object based on principle. But if this SE was done right, I think it might get a bunch of sales among those who already have KotOR II, even among those who would complain about it a lot at first. The key would be for this special edition to have quite a bit of extra content. Perhaps in edtion to the ending and HK-Factory quest, Obsidian could add the Droid Planet back. Though I heard that some of the content originally intended for this planet was included in other places, so it wouldn't be a simple matter for Obsidian to include it. Still, if they did, and added perhaps some brand new content as well, then there would be a lot of people who would be willing to get the game. By getting people who have already bought KotOR II to also buy the SE, this method of restoring content could provide a lot more of a tangible reward than a content patch. But in order to ensure people buy this, it would also require a lot more effort and funds than a smaller content patch. And there is the issue that a lot of the KotOR II team has moved on to other projects. If they were to spend a bunch of time making the SE, than those other projects could suffer, and perhaps even face delays. Would Obsidian consider it worth potentially delaying NWN2 in order to make a SE of KotOR II? And what about NWN2's publisher Atari? Expansion Pack? Obsidian and Lucasarts release an expansion pack that adds a lot of the cut content, and perhaps some brand new content. This would face a lot of the same issues as a Special Edition. It would provide perhaps the most obvious tangible reward. (A lot of people who might not like spending another $50 on a Special Edition wouldn't mind spending $30 on an expansion pack as much.) But it also suffers from the issue that a lot of the KotOR II team has already moved on to new things. Supported mod? Obsidian provides some tools/assistance to modders and helps them restore some of the cut content. This method seems a bit unlikely. While it would cost Obsidian and Lucasarts the least time and money, it would pretty much ensure that Xbox users were left in the dark, as the Xbox doesn't support user created mods. And I'm not sure either Lucasarts or Obsidian wants to lend any official support to a solution that deson't affect both the PC and Xbox. Still, there is a slight chance this could happen. So, of all these methods, what do people like the best? Would you be willing to pay $50 for a special edition, or $30 for an expansion pack, if it added things like the Droid planet and some brand new content? Are there any other ways Obsidian could restore the content that I'm missing? Any ideas on how they could overcome some of the difficulties I listed for some of the examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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