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So where is Vima Sunrider during the Kotor story?

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I don't know much about Vima Sunrider other than she was Nomi's daughter??? Anyway KotOR 2 takes place about 40 years after Exar Kun's war and in this game you find Nomi's robes...somewhere so I heard.

But there are Jedi out there, according to the story, searching for the Exile (As the Masters indicate) or scattered in hiding. I suppose Vima is one of them.

Plus the games don't exactly follow the EU to the letter as you've probably have seen, so for all we know there might not even be a Vima.

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[quote name='Mondo' date='Feb 20 2005, 11:17 PM']She was supposed to be the golden force child 10 years after Exar Kun died according to the comics, at least from what I've researched. No mention of her in the games, but they mention Ulic, etc.
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My experience of Vima is from TotJ. In Knights of the Old Republic, The Freedon Nadd Uprsing, Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War she was just an infant/baby. In Redemption she was a young adult which gave me more insight into her character, but nowhere do I recall any mention of this 'golden force child' concpt of yours. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate? :rolleyes:

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[quote name='ryan12177' date='Feb 21 2005, 12:44 AM']I think I remember reading that in the very early stages she was considered for inclusion in KOTOR2, but later left out for some reason
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Ah, no - originally she was slated to be the Bastila character in KotOR 1 (it explains the battle meditation)

I'm not sure why they changed that, but I'm guessing so they could be more flexible with the character.

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Nope Matt7895, Vima was not mentioned in K1 or K2 as far as I've seen. The corpse you find inside the cave in K1 is of Duron Qel-Droma or somthing like that, he was the nephew or cousin of Ulic and Cay Qel-Droma.

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[quote name='Topaz Quasar' date='Feb 21 2005, 08:08 AM']If she were still alive, she'd be in her 40's.
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But they could have set KotOR earlier so she wouldn't have been... I guess they thought 40 years was a more reasonable gap between two Sith Wars.

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It was not.

I am very cynic over KotOR storylines since they make enoug references to those comics character to give the idea they actually know who they are and then pretty much ignore the same comics.

As for Vima ... let me put this way, she was in the Tales of the Jedi comics that show a much diferent Jedi Order (not the prequels knock-off Jedi Order) and would simply not work in KotOR.

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[quote name='Chris Avellone' date='Feb 23 2005, 09:27 PM']Vima was supposed to be Bastila in K1 (seriously),[right][post="281372"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]

that would have been interesting. although i wonder how bioware would have worked her story in, considering (as far as i know) the backstory they used for bastila isnt even close to what vimas backstory is like.

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Why would there be legal concerns with using the Sunrider name? Does someone else own that name?

If so, give me a call and I can hop in my time machine to ruff'em up a little so they'll let BioWare use it for KotOR I... :rolleyes:

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[quote name='NeverwinterKnight' date='Feb 23 2005, 07:30 PM'][quote name='Chris Avellone' date='Feb 23 2005, 09:27 PM']Vima was supposed to be Bastila in K1 (seriously),[right][post="281372"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]

that would have been interesting. although i wonder how bioware would have worked her story in, considering (as far as i know) the backstory they used for bastila isnt even close to what vimas backstory is like.
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not to mention she would be in her 40's :-"

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[quote name='Demosthenes' date='Feb 24 2005, 12:50 AM']I read soem old comics and remember reading about her. Maybe she turns up in the next game?
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Not if she died in the Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, or on Katarr.....

If she managed to survive all that...then few would even know where she is.... :huh:

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Vima was first mentioned in 1991 [i]Dark Empire[/i] by her descendant Vima Da Boda.

Later various sources are saying that she was a great jedi of her times.

Her absence in both parts of KOTOR is just stupid. She should appear as a head of the jedi council instead of that pathetic clone vandar. I can forgive ignorant Bioware but not Chris Avellone who is an EU fan just like me.

She should have appeared not for the sake of continuity but becouse she's very interesting - only she made [i]Redemption[/i] best star wars comic ever.

Bizarre blurb "[i]Vima was supposed to be Bastila in K1 (seriously), but there are legal issues with using the name "sunrider" so we were not allowed to use it in K2. You'll notice Jolee mentions it in K1, however, but that was an oversight[/i]." doesn't sound convincing. If that name was used in TOTJ and various books why
exclude TSL? Are Obsidian a band of cowardly cheese-eating monkeys or what?

HERMOCRATES:

Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks

of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned.

 

SOCRATES:

This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale.

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Her great-great-great grandaughter turns up in the Dark Empire Comics, but now with a different sirname, Vima Da-Boda, so if she didn't survive her offsping must have.
Nomi's armband turns up, not seen anything else of the Sunriders though.

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[quote name='Drakron' date='Feb 22 2005, 12:57 AM']It was not.

I am very cynic over KotOR storylines since they make enoug references to those comics character to give the idea they actually know who they are and then pretty much ignore the same comics.

As for Vima ... let me put this way, she was in the Tales of the Jedi comics that show a much diferent Jedi Order (not the prequels knock-off Jedi Order) and would simply not work in KotOR.
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How so? I have read those comics (well, I own them all...), and I think both KotOR games have done a pretty good job of acknowledging their existence. I mean, the KotOR games were built on the success of those comic-books and used them as the foundation. I don't see where they show any disrespect. I mean, they called the games 'Knights of the Old Republic', which was the title given to the collected paperback version of the "Ulic Qel-Droma and the Beast Wars of Onderon" and "Saga of Nomi Sundrider" in the five original issues of Tales of the Jedi.

And how was the Jedi order different? Yes, there were some differences, but it was obvious that it would change some, given that Ossus was pretty much destroyed and the original order shattered at the end of the Sith War saga.

I actually think we could make a better case of voicing disrespect of the original where starships are concerned, as they all look far more futuristic in the KotOR games (where they don't look too dissimilar to the starships of the movies some 4000 years later) than they did in the Tales of the Jedi comics, where the ships really did have an archaic feel to them.

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