Renegade Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Alright one of the topics that hasn't come up recently but that I've seen a lot refernces the relationship(or lack thereof) between armor and force powers. Some people felt like it was ridiculous to say that armor would block any type of force powers if the force is everywhere. I have a question that I guess slightly disputes that. But mind you I don't know anything about SW besides the movies and KOTOR. So I may be way off. From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will. Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carth Vader Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Your idea is just as good as anyone elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Your idea is just as good as anyone elses. Hey thanks man I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indalecio Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Sounds right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 You cant use force powers while wearing armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabahattin Dere Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I always thought you would end up causing a short circuit and electrocuting yourself, while wearing armor and trying to do force lightning. Zwangvolle Plage! M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yeah! Whats the reason for that anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Wanderer Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yeah! Whats the reason for that anyway? Well, doesn't metal attract lightning? If so, you'll get fried yourself as you use it Despite the fact that many people who've played KOTOR has a negative view on it, I'm still very optimistic about the Februari release and can't wait to get my paws on the game :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmonarch Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Its a rule to limit your power. Simple enough. And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Well, doesn't metal attract lightning? If so, you'll get fried yourself as you use it Guess you got a point there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 I always thought you would end up causing a short circuit and electrocuting yourself, while wearing armor and trying to do force lightning. I don't think so. Because it's not natural lighting it comes from the force. Because if that was the case it would attack any party members you have as well and it clearly doesn't. When you cast Insanity it would affect everyone around you including your friends. But since the force works through you I think you have more control over it's general application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 The whole infinite power of the force is more of a theoretical thing. The force has the potential to be infinitely powerful, but it really doesn't happen. Even Zomma can't master the force and who knows how old it is. Besides, if you are killed, there's not much the force can do about that. Sometimes. Anyway, the force is only good if you use it. If even a ultimately powerful jedi is really careless and gets caught off guard, then they can't use the force if they are shot through the heart. Thus armor, The more you are hurt (physically), the lesser your control of the force is (or more like harder it is to control). Also, I have never read anything before about armor restricting force usage until I played KOTOR. Also, alot of people don't let themselves go into the force 24/7. It has its own disadvantages (you don't really think for yourself that much and stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigboy2 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20. "Your total disregard for the law and human decency both disgusts me and touches my heart. Bless you, sir." "Soilent Green is people. This guy's just a homeless heroin junkie who got in a internet caf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigboy2 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Alright one of the topics that hasn't come up recently but that I've seen a lot refernces the relationship(or lack thereof) between armor and force powers. Some people felt like it was ridiculous to say that armor would block any type of force powers if the force is everywhere. I have a question that I guess slightly disputes that. But mind you I don't know anything about SW besides the movies and KOTOR. So I may be way off. From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will. Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it. well malak apprentice wore armor and he was easy to beat "Your total disregard for the law and human decency both disgusts me and touches my heart. Bless you, sir." "Soilent Green is people. This guy's just a homeless heroin junkie who got in a internet caf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 He didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleRRR Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will. Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it. But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you. No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered. TripleRRR Using a gamepad to control an FPS is like trying to fight evil through maple syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will. Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it. But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you. No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered. TripleRRR I have to disagree because, and once again I may be wrong, from what I understand you MUST have an affinity with the force in order to use a lightsaber. If you see a dead Jedi you can't just pick up his/her lightsaber and start swinging. Otherewise why the hell would anyone ever pick up a Viroblade? Plus when you pick up Bastilia you can't use her Lightsaber until you become a Jedi. Form my understanding lightsabers and The Force are connected and a saber is the chosen weapon of those who believe in the Force. It's not just some random weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20. Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indalecio Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will. Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it. But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you. No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered. TripleRRR Except, for the Jedi, killing with the Force tends to lead to the Darkside. So using a Lightsaber allows the Jedi to do the one thing he will not do with the Force, that is, kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolo Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20. Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others. Yes because Yoda is level 19 and can train higher level characters? I beleive that's his level. 20 is the designed maximum level in Star Wars D20, regardless of what Obsidian or BioWare say. Vader and Palpatine are also level 20 or below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20. Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others. Yes because Yoda is level 19 and can train higher level characters? I beleive that's his level. 20 is the designed maximum level in Star Wars D20, regardless of what Obsidian or BioWare say. Vader and Palpatine are also level 20 or below. How do you know what levels they're at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indalecio Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will. Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it. But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you. No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered. TripleRRR Except, for the Jedi, killing with the Force tends to lead to the Darkside. So using a Lightsaber allows the Jedi to do the one thing he will not do with the Force, that is, kill. I've never bought into that because the Ligthside kills too. I'd put money that there are several Sith who have died at Yoda's hands. Being on the lightside on the force doesn't exclude you from violence. It's the type of violence that seperates you. They're Jedi not Monks. Umm..I said they don't kill with the Force. Not that they don't kill at all. Thats what the Lightsaber is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Guys, read my post on the first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolo Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20. Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others. Yes because Yoda is level 19 and can train higher level characters? I beleive that's his level. 20 is the designed maximum level in Star Wars D20, regardless of what Obsidian or BioWare say. Vader and Palpatine are also level 20 or below. How do you know what levels they're at? Star Wars D20 Official Rulebook by Wizards of the Coast. Their stats are listed. I've read the book. KOTOR1 & 2 are based (loosely) on those rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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