A question

[Renegade]

Alright one of the topics that hasn't come up recently but that I've seen a lot refernces the relationship(or lack thereof) between armor and force powers. Some people felt like it was ridiculous to say that armor would block any type of force powers if the force is everywhere. I have a question that I guess slightly disputes that. But mind you I don't know anything about SW besides the movies and KOTOR. So I may be way off.

 

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will.

 

Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it.

[Carth Vader]

Your idea is just as good as anyone elses.

[Renegade]

Your idea is just as good as anyone elses.

Hey thanks man I appreciate it.

[Indalecio]

Sounds right.

[The_Prodigal_Knight]

You cant use force powers while wearing armor.

[Sabahattin Dere]

I always thought you would end up causing a short circuit and electrocuting yourself, while wearing armor and trying to do force lightning.

[The_Prodigal_Knight]

Yeah! Whats the reason for that anyway?

[Dark Wanderer]

Yeah! Whats the reason for that anyway?

Well, doesn't metal attract lightning? If so, you'll get fried yourself as you use it

[Archmonarch]

Its a rule to limit your power. Simple enough.

[The_Prodigal_Knight]

Well, doesn't metal attract lightning? If so, you'll get fried yourself as you use it

 

Guess you got a point there

[Renegade]

I always thought you would end up causing a short circuit and electrocuting yourself, while wearing armor and trying to do force lightning.

I don't think so. Because it's not natural lighting it comes from the force. Because if that was the case it would attack any party members you have as well and it clearly doesn't. When you cast Insanity it would affect everyone around you including your friends. But since the force works through you I think you have more control over it's general application.

[ShinIchiro]

The whole infinite power of the force is more of a theoretical thing. The force has the potential to be infinitely powerful, but it really doesn't happen. Even Zomma can't master the force and who knows how old it is.

 

Besides, if you are killed, there's not much the force can do about that. Sometimes. Anyway, the force is only good if you use it. If even a ultimately powerful jedi is really careless and gets caught off guard, then they can't use the force if they are shot through the heart. Thus armor,

 

The more you are hurt (physically), the lesser your control of the force is (or more like harder it is to control).

 

Also, I have never read anything before about armor restricting force usage until I played KOTOR.

 

Also, alot of people don't let themselves go into the force 24/7. It has its own disadvantages (you don't really think for yourself that much and stuff).

[Craigboy2]

Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20.

[Craigboy2]

Alright one of the topics that hasn't come up recently but that I've seen a lot refernces the relationship(or lack thereof) between armor and force powers. Some people felt like it was ridiculous to say that armor would block any type of force powers if the force is everywhere. I have a question that I guess slightly disputes that. But mind you I don't know anything about SW besides the movies and KOTOR. So I may be way off.

 

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will.

 

Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it.

well malak apprentice wore armor and he was easy to beat

[The_Prodigal_Knight]

He didn

[tripleRRR]

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become. Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind. And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do. To submit yourself to the Force's will.

 

Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will. And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else. Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it.

But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you.

 

No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered.

 

 

TripleRRR

[Renegade]

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become.  Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind.  And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do.  To submit yourself to the Force's will.

 

Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will.  And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else.  Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it.

But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you.

 

No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered.

 

 

TripleRRR

I have to disagree because, and once again I may be wrong, from what I understand you MUST have an affinity with the force in order to use a lightsaber. If you see a dead Jedi you can't just pick up his/her lightsaber and start swinging. Otherewise why the hell would anyone ever pick up a Viroblade? Plus when you pick up Bastilia you can't use her Lightsaber until you become a Jedi. Form my understanding lightsabers and The Force are connected and a saber is the chosen weapon of those who believe in the Force. It's not just some random weapon.

[Renegade]

Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20.

Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others.

[Indalecio]

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become.  Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind.  And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do.  To submit yourself to the Force's will.

 

Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will.  And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else.  Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it.

But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you.

 

No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered.

 

 

TripleRRR

Except, for the Jedi, killing with the Force tends to lead to the Darkside. So using a Lightsaber allows the Jedi to do the one thing he will not do with the Force, that is, kill.

[Renegade]

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become.

[Iolo]

Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20.

Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others.

Yes because Yoda is level 19 and can train higher level characters? I beleive that's his level. 20 is the designed maximum level in Star Wars D20, regardless of what Obsidian or BioWare say. Vader and Palpatine are also level 20 or below.

[Renegade]

Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20.

Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others.

Yes because Yoda is level 19 and can train higher level characters? I beleive that's his level. 20 is the designed maximum level in Star Wars D20, regardless of what Obsidian or BioWare say. Vader and Palpatine are also level 20 or below.

How do you know what levels they're at?

[Indalecio]

From playing the game it seems like the idea is(at least to DS Jedi) that the more you submit to the force the more powerful you become.  Yuthura Ban mentioned that the perfet Jedi are the ones who know there is no limits except those that you put on your mind.  And that the whole purpose of training is to expand your mind more and more to the possibilities of what the force can do.  To submit yourself to the Force's will.

 

Doesn't wearing armor defeat all of that? Doesn't wearing armor automatically mean that somewhere in the back of your mind you feel like metal and leather are going to do a better job of protecting you than the force will.  And therefore you're not really trusting yourself to the capablities of the force but rather to something else.  Wouldn't that make you a considerably less effective or powerful Jedi? If I'm way off or just thinking this through too much let me know but this was my take on it.

But by that same argument a lightsaber would also limit your ability to submit to the force, since you are relying on something other than your force affinity to get things done. Whether it is to disable, kill, or intimidate your opponent. Or to protect yourself from blaster bolts or what have you.

 

No offense, your idea is better than most others I have heard but it does not have everything covered.

 

 

TripleRRR

Except, for the Jedi, killing with the Force tends to lead to the Darkside. So using a Lightsaber allows the Jedi to do the one thing he will not do with the Force, that is, kill.

I've never bought into that because the Ligthside kills too. I'd put money that there are several Sith who have died at Yoda's hands. Being on the lightside on the force doesn't exclude you from violence. It's the type of violence that seperates you. They're Jedi not Monks.

Umm..I said they don't kill with the Force. Not that they don't kill at all. Thats what the Lightsaber is for.

[ShinIchiro]

Guys, read my post on the first page.

[Iolo]

Yuthura Ban was an idoit because(the first time i played) i set my mind on becoming a level 100 jedi and get maxout stats and force powers but there is a level cap on 20.

Perhaps that is not the cap for all Jedi's but it's how much better you can become from simple combat alone. Perhaps to advance past that level requires tutoring from a more powerful Jedi. Yoda for some and Palantine for others.

Yes because Yoda is level 19 and can train higher level characters? I beleive that's his level. 20 is the designed maximum level in Star Wars D20, regardless of what Obsidian or BioWare say. Vader and Palpatine are also level 20 or below.

How do you know what levels they're at?

Star Wars D20 Official Rulebook by Wizards of the Coast. Their stats are listed. I've read the book. KOTOR1 & 2 are based (loosely) on those rules.