The All Things Political Topic - What's Going On...?

[BruceVC]

1 minute ago, uuuhhii said:

obviously anti colonialism violence are always more justified than colonial violence

france should be kick out of algeria with violence

france does not have any right to stay in algeria with violence

Yes but we not talking about the history of Colonialism

We talking about the UK now and domestic protests and the UK acting against criminality by protestors like Palestinian Action

Either you believe that protestors should be able to break the law or you dont? So if you believe Palestinian Action should be able to damage and attack UK institutions then just say that, you entitled to your opinion 

As I often say, I reject the suggestion that the majority of  protests should be about any looting, criminality or damage to property. And anyone breaking the law in protests should be arrested. But thats just my opinion 

 

 

 

[uuuhhii]

colonialism are still here today

any mental block to recognize this reality is common 

but are increasingly breaking with the livestreamed atrocity of last 2 year

[rjshae]

Supposedly Elon Musk is launching a new "America" party, which I expect will flop. Well it's his money to burn. It seems like a smarter strategy would be to support initiatives to enable instant-runoff voting at more USA locations; that way a third party actually becomes feasible.

[ShadySands]

No reason to expect a smart approach from Elon. I think his work in DOGE shows he doesn't understand the government beyond the subsidies he gets.

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, rjshae said:

Supposedly Elon Musk is launching a new "America" party, which I expect will flop. Well it's his money to burn. It seems like a smarter strategy would be to support initiatives to enable instant-runoff voting at more USA locations; that way a third party actually becomes feasible.

You would  assume he would stay out of politics after his disaster at DOGE and how the Trump bromance ended 

He is one of the worlds greatest business visionaries  and he can implement those ideas in the private sector  but he is a terrible politician  and he never will be an effective or popular politician 

 

[Lexx]

Let's bet he is only doing this to cover his ass, because his former friends might go after him at some point. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I think Elon is just a wealthy dumbass with a ketamine soaked brain and that explains almost all of his dumb behavior. 

[Zoraptor]

14 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Are you saying that you support violence and criminality in UK protests as a way to achieve political change or around disagreements how  the UK government defines its geopolitical views?

Are you saying you'd oppose violence and criminality in Russia as a way to achieve political change or around disagreements how  the Russian government defines its geopolitical views?

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Would you support protestors attacking and damaging UK public sector institutions like Parliament or is it  only UK military sites you support being attacked?

Would you support protestors attacking and damaging Russian public sector institutions like the Duma or is it  only Russian military sites you support being attacked?

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And then would you  support right-wing groups breaking the law in protests or is it only pro-Palestinian groups that should be allowed to break the law?

And then would you  support left-wing groups breaking the law in protests or is it only anti Russian groups that should be allowed to break the law?

Yeah, the UK isn't Russia. But every British PM since Thatcher would like it to be when it comes to state repression and has used 1984 as a guidebook rather than cautionary tale.

This isn't even protection for Britain. It's protection for fricking Israel, and a blatant attempt to silence free speech and free expression. The fact that the vast majority of Brits don't support Israel and didn't support invading Iraq in 2003 is irrelevant when the politicians do and did; the only time they ever listen is when you threaten something they value. Like post career company directorships or being reelected (in 4 years for Starmer, so he doesn't care, yet). Indeed, it's particularly ironic for that Quisling, who built much of his reputation on being anti 2003 war yet is now staunchly pro genocide.

The last British politician with a scintilla of honour and integrity was Robin Cook, and he died nearly twenty years ago.

[uuuhhii]

uk are doing all this nonsense without even trying to nationalize water and railroad

as they should have decade ago

almost like they are addicted to incompetency

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Are you saying you'd oppose violence and criminality in Russia as a way to achieve political change or around disagreements how  the Russian government defines its geopolitical views?

Would you support protestors attacking and damaging Russian public sector institutions like the Duma or is it  only Russian military sites you support being attacked?

And then would you  support left-wing groups breaking the law in protests or is it only anti Russian groups that should be allowed to break the law?

Yeah, the UK isn't Russia. But every British PM since Thatcher would like it to be when it comes to state repression and has used 1984 as a guidebook rather than cautionary tale.

This isn't even protection for Britain. It's protection for fricking Israel, and a blatant attempt to silence free speech and free expression. The fact that the vast majority of Brits don't support Israel and didn't support invading Iraq in 2003 is irrelevant when the politicians do and did; the only time they ever listen is when you threaten something they value. Like post career company directorships or being reelected (in 4 years for Starmer, so he doesn't care, yet). Indeed, it's particularly ironic for that Quisling, who built much of his reputation on being anti 2003 war yet is now staunchly pro genocide.

The last British politician with a scintilla of honour and integrity was Robin Cook, and he died nearly twenty years ago.

In any Constitutional Democracy where people have the right to protest  legally I dont support any justification or excuse around criminality or lawlessness during protests

You dont need to break the law to protest

And I cant respond to those Russian questions because  people cant protest or criticize the state in Russia

Those are just basic freedoms that are denied to Russian citizens 

 

 

[Pidesco]

22 hours ago, BruceVC said:

He is one of the worlds greatest business visionaries

 

[rjshae]

22 hours ago, BruceVC said:

You would  assume he would stay out of politics after his disaster at DOGE and how the Trump bromance ended 

He is one of the worlds greatest business visionaries  and he can implement those ideas in the private sector  but he is a terrible politician  and he never will be an effective or popular politician 

Musk's business interests are heavily dependent on the government. Supposedly these interests were hindered under Biden, which is why he switched to support Trump. Now if Trump were a rational thinker, that would have worked out okay for Musk. But now I agree, Musk is being a bit of a dumba**. Starting a third party would primarily benefit the Democrats, who no longer need Musk.

[BruceVC]

32 minutes ago, rjshae said:

Musk's business interests are heavily dependent on the government. Supposedly these interests were hindered under Biden, which is why he switched to support Trump. Now if Trump were a rational thinker, that would have worked out okay for Musk. But now I agree, Musk is being a bit of a dumba**. Starting a third party would primarily benefit the Democrats, who no longer need Musk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2025/elon-musk-business-government-contracts-funding/

Here is a good link just how much Musk benefitted from the US government 

[Malcador]

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2178416/canadian-wildfire-smoke-ruining-americans-summer

We should send them thoughts and prayers.

[Gfted1]

Meh, I was more annoyed by the Texas dust storms in March. We literally had "dirty rain" which left a fine layer of dirt on everything once it dried. 

[uuuhhii]

usa are still threaten more and more tariff while crumbling

anyone know when the 50 percent against brazil will be kicking in

anyone still care

[rjshae]

18 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2178416/canadian-wildfire-smoke-ruining-americans-summer

We should send them thoughts and prayers.

The smoke does have health effects on millions of people, so... thanks?

[rjshae]

Today in depressingly stupid:

News 9 radar damaged in apparent attack by anti-government militia group

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The Oklahoma City televison station reports Veterans on Patrol, which the Southern Poverty Law Center defines as an anti-government militia, is claiming responsibility and targeting other Oklahoma radars. Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer, the founder of Veterans On Patrol, told the station he posted a sign warning of other radars being targeted near weather radar. He said he believes the government is modifying the weather, according to the article.

Well, this is what we've come to. One of Trump's "very fine people", I suppose. Good luck with the tornadoes.

[majestic]

Until this recent Scam Blondi hooplah with the Epstein list/files I was under the impression that the high level MAGA influencers were all in on the grift (like Fox news), and just out to profit from the, uhm, cognitively challenged MAGA cultists. Why else harp on about Epstein's client list even though the reincarnation of Cyrus the Great almost certainly partook in his offerings.

Apparently not, the reactions to Bondi trying to hush down the topic appear, if nothing else, quite genuine and sincere. I have no idea how you can be that far up in the MAGA cult ranks and not realize that Trump wasn't the victim of a witch hunt, but it is what it is. The Laura Loomers and Dan Bonginos and Kash Patels of the MAGA-sphere seem to really be under the impression that the problem is Pam Bondi, and not Pam Bondi under orders by the Great Tangerine to drop the investigation.

Dan Bongino going on record saying the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein was really a suicide basically ended his right-wing influencer career, which is but a small solace: he probably made enough off the cult for him and his family to live comfortably for the rest of their days, unless Lutnick and Bessent really kill the economy.  

Edited July 14 by majestic

[uuuhhii]

1 hour ago, majestic said:

Until this recent Scam Blondi hooplah with the Epstein list/files I was under the impression that the high level MAGA influencers were all in on the grift (like Fox news), and just out to profit from the, uhm, cognitively challenged MAGA cultists. Why else harp on about Epstein's client list even though the reincarnation of Cyrus the Great almost certainly partook in his offerings.

Apparently not, the reactions to Bondi trying to hush down the topic appear, if nothing else, quite genuine and sincere. I have no idea how you can be that far up in the MAGA cult ranks and not realize that Trump wasn't the victim of a witch hunt, but it is what it is. The Laura Loomers and Dan Bonginos and Kash Patels of the MAGA-sphere seem to really be under the impression that the problem is Pam Bondi, and not Pam Bondi under orders by the Great Tangerine to drop the investigation.

Dan Bongino going on record saying the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein was really a suicide basically ended his right-wing influencer career, which is but a small solace: he probably made enough off the cult for him and his family to live comfortably for the rest of their days, unless Lutnick and Bessent really kill the economy.  

 

they are certainly stupid enough to believe their own lie

otherwise the obsession with fossil fuel the plague bring back by anti vaxer and the deportation of cheap labor

non of it would have happened

it was all suppose to be distracting propaganda

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

2 hours ago, majestic said:

Until this recent Scam Blondi hooplah with the Epstein list/files I was under the impression that the high level MAGA influencers were all in on the grift (like Fox news), and just out to profit from the, uhm, cognitively challenged MAGA cultists. Why else harp on about Epstein's client list even though the reincarnation of Cyrus the Great almost certainly partook in his offerings.

Apparently not, the reactions to Bondi trying to hush down the topic appear, if nothing else, quite genuine and sincere. I have no idea how you can be that far up in the MAGA cult ranks and not realize that Trump wasn't the victim of a witch hunt, but it is what it is. The Laura Loomers and Dan Bonginos and Kash Patels of the MAGA-sphere seem to really be under the impression that the problem is Pam Bondi, and not Pam Bondi under orders by the Great Tangerine to drop the investigation.

Dan Bongino going on record saying the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein was really a suicide basically ended his right-wing influencer career, which is but a small solace: he probably made enough off the cult for him and his family to live comfortably for the rest of their days, unless Lutnick and Bessent really kill the economy.  

I think there's a few things 

1) The guy is Teflon Don. The magats will not blame him for anything, from closing their hospitals to destroying their businesses and jobs to covering up his old pal Jeffery's files. To them everything good that happens when he's in office is a direct result of his Deal Artisanship while everything bad he has no agency over or knowledge about. It's an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance and servile worship, like cult tier.

2) Quite a lot of the Epstein stuff on the Right is mistaken, they believe he was trafficking 6 year olds for satanic democrat sex rings or whatever instead of trafficking teenagers for wealthy associates to abuse. The truth is that quite a few of the same people on the right who are invested in Epstein stuff (and also the anti-LGBT "groomer" mania) also tend to believe that pursuing teenagers is ok, enough where "Pedocon theory" is a running joke. I think if Epstein were still alive defending him would legit be a MAGA cause, just look at how they rallied around Andrew Tate after he was sexually abusing teenagers.

3) A lot of these ****s are genuinely true believers who have cooked their minds in the gutters of right wing influence spheres. While quite a lot of them are in on the grift, a sizeable portion genuinely do believe this **** which is a mix of hilarious and terrifying.

[rjshae]

5 hours ago, majestic said:

Apparently not, the reactions to Bondi trying to hush down the topic appear, if nothing else, quite genuine and sincere. I have no idea how you can be that far up in the MAGA cult ranks and not realize that Trump wasn't the victim of a witch hunt, but it is what it is. The Laura Loomers and Dan Bonginos and Kash Patels of the MAGA-sphere seem to really be under the impression that the problem is Pam Bondi, and not Pam Bondi under orders by the Great Tangerine to drop the investigation.

ALS wheelchair-bound Stephen Hawking was allegedly one of the names on the Epstein list, which makes one wonder how much of it is simply guilt by association. I'd need to see more convincing evidence to believe any of it was not simply famous and rich people simply associating with each other.

[Lexx]

He was a business man who also held regular parties on his island. A lot of the people on the list could be nothing else but actual temporary visitors without any (morally?) evil intentions. It really doesn't mean that everyone on the list did something. However, if there are people on the list who were flying very regularly, you can probably guess from that.

That said, the horse is beaten so dead by now, nobody would trust any list anyways. Like, how hard is it to just build a fake list? Take off some names, add some names? You can't trust what Trumps people release, or anyone at this point, tbh.

[majestic]

1 hour ago, Lexx said:

That said, the horse is beaten so dead by now, nobody would trust any list anyways. Like, how hard is it to just build a fake list? Take off some names, add some names? You can't trust what Trumps people release, or anyone at this point, tbh.

No, but it is fair game to infer from what Trump posted about. Saying the Epstein client list was written by Obama and the Clintons on Turd Social pretty much confirms that the list is at least equally - probably more so, even - as harmful to influencial Republicans as it would be to Democrats. Elsewise the list would be public by now. Wouldn't even have to be an official release, Laura Loomer is awfully well informed about the goings on in Mango Mussolini's regime. 

[Chairchucker]

Well yes, Donald Trump almost certainly sexually assaulted children. That's what we're dancing around saying, here, right?