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They should just lie and say that the hit was good and all is fine now. Else Trump gets the idea to send out another bombing run. 

"only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."

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the only positive we see from trump's predictable premature declaration that the iran sites were,  “completely and totally obliterated,” is that trump never admits he were wrong; he always doubles down.  now that trump has declared mission accomplished, how does he justify additional strikes w/o being confronted by the same people who triggered him with TACO and two weeks

update:

predictable double-down. so now what happens when there is increasing evidence that, "one of the most successful military strikes in history," failed to achieve the complete and total obliteration described? future bombing by the US or israel undermines trump's narrative, but the whole justification for the President authorizing an attack requires an imminent threat to the US and if the situation today is little different than before midnight hammer...

if only trump had taken our usual advice to be patient and wait for reliable info before making claims which could result in humiliation.

on the other hand, ~70% o' trump voters believe everything trump says, even when trump contradicts himself.

HA! Good Fun!

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

Posted
8 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/intel-assessment-us-strikes-iran-nuclear-sites

"The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.” "

Another 4th dimensional chess move, no doubt. 🙄

"It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."

Posted
1 hour ago, rjshae said:

Another 4th dimensional chess move, no doubt. 🙄

It still surprises me that we take seriously these types of Trump SM comments

 

We know he often says things on Truth that are just his ramblings or personal opinions and its often exaggerated or untrue 

The truth is the 3 sites were struck by the US " bunker bombs  " but we dont know the full extent of the damage 

I doubt they were obliterated  but damage was done and also this was the first time the US used these bombs in a war 

Here is the type of link I would reference around this but I wouldnt be concerned about anything Trump says on Truth unless its confirmed 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9r4q99g4o

 

 

 

 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

Posted
6 hours ago, BruceVC said:

The truth is the 3 sites were struck by the US " bunker bombs  " but we dont know the full extent of the damage 

I doubt they were obliterated  but damage was done and also this was the first time the US used these bombs in a war 

Here is the type of link I would reference around this but I wouldnt be concerned about anything Trump says on Truth unless its confirmed 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9r4q99g4o

It's entirely possible that the sites were engineered with these deep penetrating weapons in mind, and we don't know the engineering that went into their interiors.

Yes, DJT says a lot of foolish things. If it weren't so serious, he'd be entertaining. Like a class clown looking for attention.

"It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."

Posted
1 hour ago, Elerond said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-parliament-approves-bill-suspend-cooperation-with-un-nuclear-watchdog-2025-06-25/

Iran is kicking IAEA out from Iran and speeding up their "peaceful nuclear programme"

And thats a huge mistake for Iran because now we have no way of monitoring Irans Uranium enrichment

Another Israeli\US  airstrike or military campaign is almost guaranteed 

 

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"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, rjshae said:

 

Yes, DJT says a lot of foolish things. If it weren't so serious, he'd be entertaining. Like a class clown looking for attention.

But heres what I genuinely dont understand and maybe you answer it 

Trump was always erratic, inconsistent  and cavalier with the truth  and he has become worse in his old age and his adoption of SM Truth has just exacerbated that behavior 

So why is there so much attention from the global media around what he says on Truth?

Its never been a good way to understand what he really means but now his Truth comments get discussed and quoted on an almost  daily basis and many people respond to it as if its US policy when often its just his ramblings 

In South Africa we literally have these "serious " media discussions around what Trump said on Truth 

Is it   just about drama or embarrassment or do you think people are not able discern the difference between Trumps SM rants and what is a realistic policy discussion?

If I was a MAGA strategist and I had Trumps confidence I would tell him to immediately stop using Truth for any updates and go back to traditional WH updates and press conferences 

His Truth usage is becoming a meme and a joke 

 

 

 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, BruceVC said:

But heres what I genuinely dont understand and maybe you answer it 

Trump was always erratic, inconsistent  and cavalier with the truth  and he has become worse in his old age and his adoption of SM Truth has just exacerbated that behavior 

So why is there so much attention from the global media around what he says on Truth?

Its never been a good way to understand what he really means but now his Truth comments get discussed and quoted on an almost  daily basis and many people respond to it as if its US policy when often its just his ramblings 

In South Africa we literally have these "serious " media discussions around what Trump said on Truth 

Is it   just about drama or embarrassment or do you think people are not able discern the difference between Trumps SM rants and what is a realistic policy discussion?

If I was a MAGA strategist and I had Trumps confidence I would tell him to immediately stop using Truth for any updates and go back to traditional WH updates and press conferences 

His Truth usage is becoming a meme and a joke 

To quote Mad Magazine, "What, me worry?" His mental health issues drive him to get attention, which he gains through persistent outrageous behavior. At this point I think it's a mistake to expect more logical, less foolish thinking; that just isn't in his mental state.

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"It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."

Posted
2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

So why is there so much attention from the global media around what he says on Truth?

That should be fairly easy to understand. He posts policy, updates, and actionable items there along with his usual slop so people have to pay attention.

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the people who selective edit trump and convince themselves that the President is less corrupt, vain, greedy and petty than his actions reveal him to be never ceases to amaze us. first term, when trump announced that he were gonna fire comey 'cause o' the russia investigation, people were shocked. when the President announced that the g-7 would be held at one of his golf resorts, people laughed, until they realized he were serious. "slow the testing down," were trump's demand and his solution for reducing the USA's high covid numbers, which were a manifest insane position to take, right? ... right? oh, and muslim ban?

were literal hundreds o' such in the first term.

during trump's campaign for 2.0, he announced a whole lotta illegal, immoral and seeming impossible. we learned that the bestest word in the dictionary is tariffs and that as future President he would tariff anybody with whom we had a trade deficit, in spite o' the fact near every economist observed that such a plan were not only nonsensical but trump's method o' dealing with trade deficits amounted top a kinda self immolation for the US. mass deportations? 'course it were ludicrous that 20 million undocumented, a number vast inflated and implausible, not only were impractical to deport, but that any significant effort to do so would gut punch numerous industries, so of course what trump really meant was he were gonna deport criminal undocumented aliens. doge would get rid o' so much waste fraud and abuse that concerns about the big beautiful bill debt would be a non factor...

oh, and please reflect on january f'ing 6, for those who keep trying to memory hole that one. we gotta once again show receipts? how many here and elsewhere shrugged off trump suggestions that he would contest the election months before the election took place 'cause even trump knew he couldn't get away with that.

honest, what about the past ten years of trump social media, interviews and campaign stumps has convinced people that it is safe to ignore the insane, stoopid and overt illegal plans trump announces?

HA! Good Fun!

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

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Old thread:

 

I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man

Posted
12 hours ago, Elerond said:

Iran is kicking IAEA out from Iran and speeding up their "peaceful nuclear programme"

Iran's parliament voted for it. As noted in the article, that is not the end of the matter and it does not amount to kicking the IAEA out, yet.

To illustrate, their parliament also voted to shut the Straits of Hormuz four days ago, which didn't happen.

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New York city just implemented a ranked choice voting system. Hurray! Meanwhile, via ranked choice, the Democratic party appears to have selected their NY mayoral candidate: Zohran Mamdani, beating out Andrew Cuomo. Mamdani's a muslim socialist Indian American. The MAGA party is freaking out. This ought to be "interesting".

"It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."

Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, rjshae said:

New York city just implemented a ranked choice voting system. Hurray! Meanwhile, via ranked choice, the Democratic party appears to have selected their NY mayoral candidate: Zohran Mamdani, beating out Andrew Cuomo. Mamdani's a muslim socialist Indian American. The democratic party is freaking out. This ought to be "interesting".

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maga politicians is positively giddy that the democrat clown car operation is likely gonna make a thirty-three year old with extreme limited policy making experience, who seeming wants to throw money at every problem in a city where they already waste too much money and who is okie dokie with globalize the intafada, one o' the more visible democrats in the country. mayor of nyc is so not a learn-on-the-job office. and maga has been holding up bernie sanders as an extinction level threat to scare independents and moderates on both side of the aisle to instead choose republican candidates? mamdami is the politician maga has been praying to baphomet to send 'em... although gozer the gozerian might be the more appropriate dark god given we are talking 'bout nyc.

there were other democrat candidates, but democrat leadership somehow let this become a binary mamdani v. cuomo situation as you accurate observe. 

As Donors Work Against Mamdani, Top Democrats Stop Short of Backing Him

the democrat establishment coulda' gotten behind zellnor myrie or brad lander (and brad lander is also a progressive, but his policy positions are far more realistic and he had a much better chance o' being a successful progressive mayor,) but instead they went with andrew cuomo? the accused sex offender who had to take his limo five blocks to vote in the primary? 

maga politicians is loving this, and their wet dreams has democrats doing similar in places where the margins is six points or less instead of +50 democrat.

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the thing to keep in mind when attempting to translate trump's gibberish is that he is a deeply stupid person.

HA! Good Fun!

 

Edited by Gromnir

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4en8djwyko

 

@Elerond

 

Some good news because we both support and recognize the significance of NATO

This is not a " Trump win " for me, spending more money on NATO is just the right thing to do for all members 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

Posted
On 6/25/2025 at 8:27 AM, BruceVC said:

I doubt they were obliterated  but damage was done and also this was the first time the US used these bombs in a war 

War? What war? It’s a US “special military operation” 👍

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Posted
2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4en8djwyko

 

@Elerond

 

Some good news because we both support and recognize the significance of NATO

This is not a " Trump win " for me, spending more money on NATO is just the right thing to do for all members 

That is just farce. Awful decision all around as it will not increase European defense, countries already have plans for creative counting how to make it on paper look like they are "spending" 5% of their GDP in defense. We could for example take Finland as example, we currently spent bit over 6 billion euros in defense, after this increase we would spent 16 billion euros in defense each year. Finland's military uses bit less than 2 billion euros to run itself (this does not include cost caused by compulsory military service, which will be left out from the increased budget). Two largest military  procurements in past decade are our navy buying two corvettes with 2 billion dollars, which were ordered in 2015, and first will be delivered in 2027, so that 2 billion dollars is divided over 15 years, so about 133 millions per year. The largest purchase in past decade has been 64 F-35 with 8 billion, with 10 year delivery window, so 800 million per year. With new budget Finland can run its military and repeat both of these purchase every year and have still 2 billion to spend other things. Which is quite absurd thing to do. Only way we could actually spent that much money is to start building up massive stock of cruise missiles. But most likely we will just write all public funding for defense contractors that are selling weapons to other countries as "defense spending".

Also Trump may changes his mind about Nato next week if he feels like it. 

 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Elerond said:

That is just farce. Awful decision all around as it will not increase European defense, countries already have plans for creative counting how to make it on paper look like they are "spending" 5% of their GDP in defense. We could for example take Finland as example, we currently spent bit over 6 billion euros in defense, after this increase we would spent 16 billion euros in defense each year. Finland's military uses bit less than 2 billion euros to run itself (this does not include cost caused by compulsory military service, which will be left out from the increased budget). Two largest military  procurements in past decade are our navy buying two corvettes with 2 billion dollars, which were ordered in 2015, and first will be delivered in 2027, so that 2 billion dollars is divided over 15 years, so about 133 millions per year. The largest purchase in past decade has been 64 F-35 with 8 billion, with 10 year delivery window, so 800 million per year. With new budget Finland can run its military and repeat both of these purchase every year and have still 2 billion to spend other things. Which is quite absurd thing to do. Only way we could actually spent that much money is to start building up massive stock of cruise missiles. But most likely we will just write all public funding for defense contractors that are selling weapons to other countries as "defense spending".

Also Trump may changes his mind about Nato next week if he feels like it. 

 

You have a habit of making honest, informative but depressing posts :lol:

I thought my post would make you happy because its some good news around NATO future and shows a commitment from its members 

And Trumps gone in 4 years so this is more of a  long-term " good news " story about NATO 

 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Hegseth's ranting about the Iran bombing is something else. Also, calling it the most complex operation in history is peak Trump administration.

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Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

Posted
9 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Hegseth's ranting about the Iran bombing is something else. Also, calling it the most complex operation in history is peak Trump administration.

" the most  complex operation in history  " 

 

:lol::lol:

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, uuuhhii said:

if eu want to protect itself they need united federal army

not wasting hundred more billion on overpriced military hardware

Meaning?

Do you mean an EU army because the EU is not a federal system, its a union of different countries 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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