The All Things Political Topic - Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence

[uuuhhii]

2 minutes ago, Malcador said:

The solution is to practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum.

 

political purge was always part of the plan

people just expect it would be more insidious and less loud messy and moronic

[Malcador]

Either that or they elect Axl as President.  They could do worse.

 

www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5429773/national-park-service-signs

"The June 9 memo sent to regional directors by National Park Service comptroller Jessica Bowron and leaked to NPR states the instructions come in response to President Trump's March "Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History" executive order and Interior Secretary Doug Burgum's follow-up order last month requesting its implementation. Trump's original order included a clause ordering Burgum to remove content from sites that "inappropriately disparages Americans past or living and instead focuses on the greatness of the achievements and progress of the American people."

Can't wait for the US government start pushing "State's rights" as what the civil war was all about.

Edited June 11 by Malcador

[Gromnir]

just a reminder, 'cause with all the new illegal and improbable, people convenient memory hole the old.

cecot.

the US government sent an unspecific number o' people to this place

no trial. not even a hearing.

we can't be certain o' how many american residents were sent to el salvador, nor has the fed confirmed the identities o' those sent to cecot 'cause o' some ambiguous amalgam o' "state secrets" and "terrorism." 

we only know for sure the details regarding one person sent to cecot: abrego garcia. the only reason we learned the circumstances o' the abrego garcia situation is because a government lawyer admitted that the fed made a mistake by sending mr. garcia to cecot. that lawyer were fired. 

the government public says that everybody sent to cecot is a gang member, but the fed has offered no proof in court o' such 'cause "state secrets" and "terrorism." sure, we has been told via caroline leavitt and fox news that everybody "deported" were a nasty and terrible nogoodnik, but that ain't the same as going before a judge and providing affidavits, is it? why would you take on faith that the government is being truthful 'bout this?

the only way we have even a rough idea o' who was sent to cecot, other than abrego garcia, is 'cause news outlets such as the washington post and sixty minutes did research... pieced together info from lawyers and family members o' persons with immigration cases who sudden disappeared from ice facilities contemporaneous with the military jets going to el salvador. cbs managed to get ahold of an internal government document via a leak which provided identities of most/many sent to cecot, but the government has only voluntarily provided the number o' persons sent to el salvador via the alien enemies act and traditional deportation efforts.

again, since there were no trial or hearing, plus something-something "state secrets" and "terrorism" means there is literal no proof that the people we sent to cecot is criminals, gang members or undocumented. 

regardless, even if the government had held the hearings SCOTUS says 9-0 (even thomas and alito agreed on this point) were a necessary prerequisite to deport people under the alien enemies act, that ain't what happened in reality. the more than a hundred people, some o' whom might be american citizens who never committed a crime for all we know, were not deported back to their country o' origin. those +100 people (something 'tween 137 and 250?) were sent to serve out an indefinite period o' incarceration in a facility which manages to make a few o' those siberian gulags look like resort spas.

...

where is the outrage? serious, what is wrong with americans that this don't bother more people? particular from the i don't trust the government and you could be next crowds, where is the justified anger? why is this not an inflection point for more people?  how is this so last week/month already? 

in case it isn't clear, am a bit disappointed.

HA! Good Fun!

ps @Malcador

not that it matters. shame is no longer a thing. 

Edited June 11 by Gromnir

[Pidesco]

6 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

Different stupid but just as stupid. 

Just no, man. Really GD, maybe you should take your old "both sides are the same" canard, and apply the quote in your signature to it. 

[Malcador]

https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constitution-with-executiv-1830106306/

[Pidesco]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constitution-with-executiv-1830106306/

I didn't realise The Onion just did news posts now. 

[BruceVC]

7 hours ago, Pidesco said:

Just no, man. Really GD, maybe you should take your old "both sides are the same" canard, and apply the quote in your signature to it. 

Interesting reality  is Trump ran his campaign around  openly saying how he was going to implement  many things that he has  now done or mostly  tried to do. Grandstanding and populist rhetoric often doesnt translate to policies that will be successful like the DOGE and tariffs failures 

And yet he won overwhelmingly, which tells you just how unpopular the Dems and there policies, track record and  campaign strategy was 

So I dont think you should underestimate  how relevant " different stupid, but just as stupid " really is  in the USA at least when it comes to actual voting decisions 

Wait till midterms, that will be the accurate benchmark. The entire concept of SM analysis and outrage I dont consider convincing as a  way to gauge how people will end up voting in the US 

 

[Amentep]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

And yet he won overwhelmingly,

I guess winning the popular vote by 1.5 percentage points could be considered 'overwhelming' for sufficiently large versions of the number 1.5.

[HoonDing]

Did he even win or did Elon hack the machines

[uuuhhii]

usa voter are certainly always stupid enough to vote against their own interest

doesn't mean the rest of the world should accept their stupidity wrecking world economy more than many war

or their idiotic effort to bring back long dead plague

[Malcador]

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/israel-considering-military-strike-iran-sources-say-rcna212528

Should be pretty successful if they do, wonder if Iran could respond effectively

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/israel-considering-military-strike-iran-sources-say-rcna212528

Should be pretty successful if they do, wonder if Iran could respond effectively

I will be surprised if Israel acts without the US backing because without the US air support its limited what damage Israel can do and what message they sending?

 

 

[uuuhhii]

poll show promising new york mayor candidate could win and freeze rent price

but since this is usa and mccarthyism means they can not have nice things

[Malcador]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/12/trump-immigration-migrant-farmers-hotel-workers-deported/84166061007/

MAGA mental gymnastics will be impressive 

[Pidesco]

 

Alex Padilla, US senator getting cuffed for speaking over Kristi Noem. Just perfectly normal, as bad as any other administration.

 

It would be great if people in positions of power started pushing back against the Trump administration . 

 

Edit: And here's the Noem quote that should be getting alarm bells.

"We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."
 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/12/trump-immigration-migrant-farmers-hotel-workers-deported/84166061007/

MAGA mental gymnastics will be impressive 

At this point not really, everytime Trump folds or backtracks it's always either 4d chess or Trump has always been for it.

2 hours ago, Pidesco said:

 

Alex Padilla, US senator getting cuffed for speaking over Kristi Noem. Just perfectly normal, as bad as any other administration.

 

It would be great if people in positions of power started pushing back against the Trump administration . 

 

Edit: And here's the Noem quote that should be getting alarm bells.

"We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."
 

I remember reading somewhere that the MAGAts (or whatever term you want to call the Trump crowd) wanted to conquer blue states/cities due to perceived humiliation for "losing" the protests of 2020 and it seems that is turning out to be all too correct.

[uuuhhii]

1 hour ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

At this point not really, everytime Trump folds or backtracks it's always either 4d chess or Trump has always been for it.

I remember reading somewhere that the MAGAts (or whatever term you want to call the Trump crowd) wanted to conquer blue states/cities due to perceived humiliation for "losing" the protests of 2020 and it seems that is turning out to be all too correct.

 

simple reality is by now maga cult would cheer for imprisonment and even execution of all opposition politician

while democrat are too weak and too busy begging their donor to come back

there is no salvaging this situation

edit

tehran was hit

guess usa military should be ready for wasting 20 year in middle east again instead of stumping skull of usa citizen

Edited June 13 by uuuhhii

[Gromnir]

7 hours ago, Pidesco said:

 

Alex Padilla, US senator getting cuffed for speaking over Kristi Noem. Just perfectly normal, as bad as any other administration.

 

It would be great if people in positions of power started pushing back against the Trump administration . 

 

 

the thing to keep in mind is that almost half the country don't see anything wrong with what happened to mr. padilla. in fact, am suspecting 1/3 o' the country woulda' been more pleased if the senator were visibly injured during the altercation. am serious. tell us with confidence that Gromnir is wrong.

doesn't matter that what the senator were doing was legal. doesn't matter that alex padilla had been escorted into the presser by both fbi and national guard; no "busting in," nonsense. doesn't matter that the senator did in fact announce his identity as a senator, though again, as he were in the fed building at the time of the presser, he had an escort that knew his identity. etc. facts don't matter. the reality don't matter. even if you do the impossible and convince somebody that alex padilla didn't do anything illegal, then chances are you will hear whataboutism or some kinda deflection. 

alex padilla is one of them, so when bad things happen to him, the initial reaction is gonna be that not only did the senator deserve the treatment he received, but that he shoulda' gotten more it... and by now, trump politicians know what trump voters want.

when nixon were convinced by republican Congressmen to resign, those republicans, almost to a man, were primaried during the next election. trump is ignorant of history, but am gonna suggest near all senators and most representatives serving in 2025know history... and am certain those political creatures is aware that their constituents don't care about what is right and just unless it is they/them who is doing wrong.

perhaps worse, the independents and democrats who either voted for trump or didn't vote for harris, are somehow ok with what is happening to social security, the va, pepfar, free speech, legal immigrants from afghanastan and venezuela losing their protected staus (another one am disappointed @Guard Dog can remain quiet regarding 'cause he knows what it means to be sending translators and those who helped US troops back to afghanistan,) and due process. they is ok with trump's corruption with market manipulation and his meme coin. they is ok with cecot. they is seeming ok with just about anything save whatever may personal be important to them. for gd? second amendment rights? for a farmer in north carolina? perhaps if the ice raids start happening on north carolina hog farms or...

unless it affects 'em personal, trump voters or those who couldn't be bothered to vote against him, cares little that trump is gutting norms and freedoms.

heck, even when people is personal impacted, chances are they still can't admit they were wrong, 'cause we don't do that anymore.

again, when we saw the reaction to trump's muslim ban promise, we finally got it-- an increasing % of americans want them/they to suffer. First Amendment? due process? basic christian values? none o' that minor stuff matters 'cause trump is a fighter who is finally going after the real bad guys: illegals; libs; smart-arsed college professors; etc.

"A poor Russian peasant’s neighbor has a cow, but the peasant himself has none. Every day the peasant has to walk by his neighbor’s field, where he sees that cow. He admires the cow, even adores it, envying the animal to the point of obsession. He even dreams about the cow at night. One day, the peasant goes into the forest to cut wood–and he finds a sprite bound to a tree with bonds that only a mortal can undo. The sprite promises the peasant that, if he frees her, she will grant him any one wish. So he unties her…and says, “Kill my neighbor’s cow.”"

globalism is working. here in the US we are all becoming more russian, eh?

HA! Good Fun!

ps try and imagine how the alex padilla situation woulda' played out in 2015. if the dhs secretary's security detail had done the same thing to a sitting US Senator, the dhs woulda' likely apologized, right? maybe jeh johnson explains that security reacted with perhaps an overabundance of caution to the presence o' a large man with no visible press ID at the presser. woulda' been described as a truly unfortunate and regrettable mistake, right?

in 2025, mike johnson is suggesting his colleagues in the senate should be calling for padilla's censure.

never admit fault. double-down. gaslight with the help of fox news and turn this seeming loss into a win. too many republican voters like seeing a democrat US senator getting man handled, so go with a victim blaming effort, right? 

but, if harris was President, nothing would change, so...

 

Edited June 13 by Gromnir

[Gromnir]

12 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/israel-considering-military-strike-iran-sources-say-rcna212528

Should be pretty successful if they do, wonder if Iran could respond effectively

this would never have happened if trump were President.

HA! Good Fun!

[rjshae]

The way the two sides are(n't) talking at each other, this all seems to be heading in a really bad direction. *sigh* If this ends up in a civil war, I suspect it will be along, brutal guerilla war that will ultimately destroy the nation. There aren't going to be clear-cut front lines, and we won't recognize the country when it's over. But we will be a great (third-world) nation afterward. So, congratulations MAGA.

[BruceVC]

14 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middlee east/israel-considering-military-strike-iran-sources-say-rcna212528

Should be pretty successful if they do, wonder if Iran could respond effectively

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skf5t1yxel#autoplay

This pre-emptive strike from Israel has started. The US is not involved but it will defend Israel as normal

Trump says they were aware of this attack 

But the Israeli objective is what has been raised many times, Iran cant be allowed to get nukes so I assume this military campaign will continue until Iran agrees to a nuclear deal ?

 

 

[Elerond]

3 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skf5t1yxel#autoplay

This pre-emptive strike from Israel has started. The US is not involved but it will defend Israel as normal

Trump says they were aware of this attack 

But the Israeli objective is what has been raised many times, Iran cant be allowed to get nukes so I assume this military campaign will continue until Iran agrees to a nuclear deal ?

I don't think nuclear deal is what Israel wants from this, considering that last time there was deal Israel convinced Trump to resign from it. So I am pretty sure that purpose of the attack is to prevent Iran and USA signing the deal they are currently cooking.

[Gromnir]

3 minutes ago, Elerond said:

I don't think nuclear deal is what Israel wants from this, considering that last time there was deal Israel convinced Trump to resign from it. So I am pretty sure that purpose of the attack is to prevent Iran and USA signing the deal they are currently cooking.

not directed at elerond, but am having been seeing "pre-emptive" language to describe the israeli attacks from various news sources... particularly fox.  is wrong.

words matter.

HA! Good Fun!

[BruceVC]

13 minutes ago, Elerond said:

I don't think nuclear deal is what Israel wants from this, considering that last time there was deal Israel convinced Trump to resign from it. So I am pretty sure that purpose of the attack is to prevent Iran and USA signing the deal they are currently cooking.

Yes but there has to be a military objective and this strike is about Iran not developing nukes which has been around for years. It was predictable considering how close Iran is to getting nukes , what was not a given was if the US would be involved in the actual attack 

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/409917

 

" The President also expressed hope that Iran would still negotiate with the US. Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb and we are hoping to get back to the negotiating table. We will see. There are several people in leadership that will not be coming back," he said. Asked about possible retaliation by Iran, Trump said, "We will defend Israel if necessary."

[Malcador]

Someone should ask what they were preempting.