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[Sarex]

6 minutes ago, melkathi said:

I mean, that is a word noone in your country cares about, no?

Excuse you, but we are really passionate about Merry Poppins, or Marija Popic as she is better know until they westernized her.

[Wormerine]

6 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Excuse you, but we are really passionate about Merry Poppins, or Marija Popic as she is better know until they westernized her.

It's Mary Poppins BTW, unless there is a joke here I am missing. Thankfully, Polish translation didn't try to polishise character's name. I hate when they do that.

[Sarex]

20 minutes ago, Wormerine said:

It's Mary Poppins BTW, unless there is a joke here I am missing. Thankfully, Polish translation didn't try to polishise character's name. I hate when they do that.

The only joke was Marija Popic, made a mistake on the actual name. It's a common joke here in Serbia that most famous people in the world are just Serbs who changed their names to sound more western. For an example, Elon Muskovic.

[melkathi]

 

Reminds me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GC_Q2YKNR0

[kanisatha]

20 hours ago, Sarex said:

Such is life. If I were to type some key words here, I would probably get banned instantly. Even though no one cares about them in my country. Wanna do business with a country respect their rules.

Except that Disney is (ostensibly) an American company. So, why China's rules?

[Sarex]

1 hour ago, kanisatha said:

Except that Disney is (ostensibly) an American company. So, why China's rules?

Because they want to do business there and because more than likely China has investments in the company. Why should Chinese companies care about the US rules, the answer is more than obvious.

[Mamoulian War]

17 hours ago, Sarex said:

Because they want to do business there and because more than likely China has investments in the company. Why should Chinese companies care about the US rules, the answer is more than obvious.

We can see how Chinese companies care about Western rules with TikTok

[Azdeus]

3 hours ago, Mamoulian War said:

We can see how Chinese companies care about Western rules with TikTok

Or just IP laws in general.

[HoonDing]

China must do as we say, not do as we do.

[marelooke]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:09 AM, Sarex said:

For an example, Elon Muskovic.

Not sure anyone would really want to claim that one at this point...

[Sarex]

21 hours ago, Mamoulian War said:

We can see how Chinese companies care about Western rules with TikTok

An example of rule breaking being? Collecting data? I mean tiktok is operating in EU still even though it's much more strict regarding user data than the US and I don't see it doing anything special compared to other social media app, other then not being owned by a western company.

17 hours ago, Azdeus said:

Or just IP laws in general.

It's a myth that China is somehow special regarding this, the US has engaged multiple time in corporate espionage and stealing of technology, from its allies even and it's not like they are the paragon of respecting other countries rules either. It all boils down to profits and the ability to enforce the rules, there is no "justice" just interests.

11 hours ago, marelooke said:

Not sure anyone would really want to claim that one at this point...

You would be surprised, people here are fascinated with Trump too.

Edited January 3 by Sarex

[Azdeus]

On 1/3/2025 at 9:11 AM, Sarex said:

It's a myth that China is somehow special regarding this, the US has engaged multiple time in corporate espionage and stealing of technology, from its allies even and it's not like they are the paragon of respecting other countries rules either. It all boils down to profits and the ability to enforce the rules, there is no "justice" just interests.

No, it's really not, disregarding what some governments do for a minute, there are several instances where companies have tried to sue Chineese companies for copyright or patent infringement and have been stonewalled by the government. In the rest of the world, these things happen all the time.

[Sarex]

1 hour ago, Azdeus said:

No, it's really not, disregarding what some governments do for a minute, there are several instances where companies have tried to sue Chineese companies for copyright or patent infringement and have been stonewalled by the government. In the rest of the world, these things happen all the time.

I am not familiar regarding the cases you are talking about (feel free to send me the links if it's not too much trouble, I would like to read about it), but if that was the case I would imagine those companies would be banned from selling to the west. There is a big push in the western news machine to promote China stealing IP (and I am not saying it doesn't, but I am trying to say that it isn't any worse than other countries), but I haven't actually seen any companies being charged or embargoed.

You have Huawei, but that was done for "security reasons" and certainly not because it was going to overtake all other companies in the communication market and now you have tiktok for "stealing" user data for which I still don't understand what the difference is when compared to google or facebook. I'm sure there are other entities that have embargoes but these are the bigger cases and I haven't found one for IP theft.

[Azdeus]

44 minutes ago, Sarex said:

I am not familiar regarding the cases you are talking about (feel free to send me the links if it's not too much trouble, I would like to read about it), but if that was the case I would imagine those companies would be banned from selling to the west. There is a big push in the western news machine to promote China stealing IP (and I am not saying it doesn't, but I am trying to say that it isn't any worse than other countries), but I haven't actually seen any companies being charged or embargoed.

You have Huawei, but that was done for "security reasons" and certainly not because it was going to overtake all other companies in the communication market and now you have tiktok for "stealing" user data for which I still don't understand what the difference is when compared to google or facebook. I'm sure there are other entities that have embargoes but these are the bigger cases and I haven't found one for IP theft.

https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/enforcement-and-protection/dispute-settlement/wto-dispute-settlement/wto-disputes-cases-involving-eu/wtds611-china-enforcement-intellectual-property-rights_en

Summary of the case

Since August 2020, Chinese courts have been issuing decisions – known as “anti-suit injunctions” – to exert pressure on EU companies with high-tech patents and to prevent them from rightfully protecting their technologies. Chinese courts also use the threat of heavy fines to deter European companies from going to foreign courts. This has left European high-tech companies at a significant disadvantage when fighting for their rights. Chinese manufacturers request these anti-suit injunctions to benefit from cheaper or even free access to European technology.

The European Union has filed on 18 February 2022 a dispute settlement case against China at the World Trade Organization (WTO) for restricting EU companies from going to a foreign court to protect and use their patents.

 

As for Tiktok, China is an enemy of the wests interests and values, the owners of the company are Chinese and as such the company must have CCP members on their board, which gives them direct access to private individuals data and atleast in the EU getting your data deleted is through our privacy laws would be pointless. I doubt anyone seriously argues that Facebook and Google doesn't collect data, but alteast the US isn't an enemy nation, for a few more weeks atleast.

[melkathi]

1 hour ago, Azdeus said:

 but alteast the US isn't an enemy nation, for a few more weeks atleast.

 

ROFL

[Sarex]

9 hours ago, Azdeus said:

https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/enforcement-and-protection/dispute-settlement/wto-dispute-settlement/wto-disputes-cases-involving-eu/wtds611-china-enforcement-intellectual-property-rights_en

Summary of the case

Since August 2020, Chinese courts have been issuing decisions – known as “anti-suit injunctions” – to exert pressure on EU companies with high-tech patents and to prevent them from rightfully protecting their technologies. Chinese courts also use the threat of heavy fines to deter European companies from going to foreign courts. This has left European high-tech companies at a significant disadvantage when fighting for their rights. Chinese manufacturers request these anti-suit injunctions to benefit from cheaper or even free access to European technology.

The European Union has filed on 18 February 2022 a dispute settlement case against China at the World Trade Organization (WTO) for restricting EU companies from going to a foreign court to protect and use their patents.

 

As for Tiktok, China is an enemy of the wests interests and values, the owners of the company are Chinese and as such the company must have CCP members on their board, which gives them direct access to private individuals data and atleast in the EU getting your data deleted is through our privacy laws would be pointless. I doubt anyone seriously argues that Facebook and Google doesn't collect data

Something to the effect of https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/tech/huawei-us-lawsuit-rejected/index.html

9 hours ago, Azdeus said:

but alteast the US isn't an enemy nation, for a few more weeks atleast.

Depends, very much, where you are looking from.

[Sven_]

So, a month 'til Avowed. Still kinda Unwowed. But still curious. I actually get the impression that there's not much hype in behind the scenes as well, neither at MS nor Obs. Like a product that nobody actually believes in may hit it big. Dunno, that's what this feels like. So little promotion, buzz and fanfare. 

 

Taking a look at the requirements and gameplay, the recommended RTX 3080 / 6800 XT seems pretty steep. For The Outer Worlds it was still but a GTX 1060 (and very playable on a 1050ti still). But then it's always kinda hard to guess looking at visuals these days how a game actually performs. I don't mean that only in terms of optimization or anything. Every however small step towards pixel perfection takes a good chunk of additional ressources. I'm sure some of you have engaged in the "Is Raytracing worth the performance hit?" in discussions before, as an example of that. Fingers crossed that Warhorse didn't lie about an RTX 3060 still being fine for Kingdom Come in FHD (even 60fps, medium details, without any upscaling). 


Kinda crazy it's been over two years already since Obsidian's last proper release: Pentiment. Really interesting game that was.

Edited January 5 by Sven_

[Hurlshort]

12 minutes ago, Sven_ said:

Kinda crazy it's been over two years already since Obsidian's last proper release: Pentiment. Really interesting game that was.

Grounded also came out around the same time, and it seems like that has been getting consistent updates, so they haven't been too quiet. But I'm excited that we will probably see both Avowed and Outer Worlds 2 in the next year or so.

[uuuhhii]

patent law exist to protect disney share price not creator on intern salary

the point of information age is that information are up for sale

[Wormerine]

5 hours ago, Sven_ said:

So, a month 'til Avowed. Still kinda Unwowed. But still curious. I actually get the impression that there's not much hype in behind the scenes as well, neither at MS nor Obs. Like a product that nobody actually believes in may hit it big. Dunno, that's what this feels like. So little promotion, buzz and fanfare.

Taking a look at the requirements and gameplay, the recommended RTX 3080 / 6800 XT seems pretty steep. For The Outer Worlds it was still but a GTX 1060 (and very playable on a 1050ti still). But then it's always kinda hard to guess looking at visuals these days how a game actually performs.

Avowed and Outer World2 run on Unreal Engine5 so it will be more demanding to run - I worry how stuttery it's gonna be. I wonder if high graphics card requirements come from VRAM requirements, like with Indiana Jones. It seems Nvidia cleverly throttled available VRAM in all but most expensive GPU, so my rather pricey 3070 will become dated faster than I expected.

Eh, I don't think there has ever been much hype generated for any of MS releases - just recently Indiana Jones was arriving like it was meant to flop, and by all accounts it is supposed to be pretty good. There are games that just don't trailer well. The decend chunk of gameplay I saw from previous looked promising. I am saying that, though, as I have intention of checking it on gamepass. I would never have a confidence to drop £60 to buy it on steam (or god forbid £80 to not have to wait to pay).

[uuuhhii]

2 hours ago, Wormerine said:

Avowed and Outer World2 run on Unreal Engine5 so it will be more demanding to run - I worry how stuttery it's gonna be. I wonder if high graphics card requirements come from VRAM requirements, like with Indiana Jones. It seems Nvidia cleverly throttled available VRAM in all but most expensive GPU, so my rather pricey 3070 will become dated faster than I expected.

Eh, I don't think there has ever been much hype generated for any of MS releases - just recently Indiana Jones was arriving like it was meant to flop, and by all accounts it is supposed to be pretty good. There are games that just don't trailer well. The decend chunk of gameplay I saw from previous looked promising. I am saying that, though, as I have intention of checking it on gamepass. I would never have a confidence to drop £60 to buy it on steam (or god forbid £80 to not have to wait to pay).

 

obsidian game isn't exactly known for good optimization

wonder if this pc can even run avowed before it break

Edited January 5 by uuuhhii

[Azdeus]

16 hours ago, Sarex said:

Something to the effect of https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/tech/huawei-us-lawsuit-rejected/index.html

Depends, very much, where you are looking from.

No, it's nowhere near equivalent. The US government forbids US deparments from using Huawei tech, that's hardly the same as having patent infringement be facilitated via CCP courts.

I'm looking at it from the perspective of Drumph being a complete cook, surrounded by crooks and accelerationists. Just look at his comments about Canada.

[melkathi]

I just had to replace my motherboard.

As I am in changing situation regarding work, I am not going to get a good PC for a while, so in a way all these games (and the performance discussion) is probably something I'll be experiencing when it has become abandonware...

[Sarex]

3 hours ago, Azdeus said:

No, it's nowhere near equivalent. The US government forbids US deparments from using Huawei tech, that's hardly the same as having patent infringement be facilitated via CCP courts.

I'm looking at it from the perspective of Drumph being a complete cook, surrounded by crooks and accelerationists. Just look at his comments about Canada.

How so? Both lead to the same thing, a loss of profit. The US one is worse still because at best it damaged the companies reputation and forced it out of the US market or at worst it came down from the goverment to ban it for civil sales too. To this day no proof was provided that Huawei had backdoors installed. Let's not even go in to the google services being forbidden on Huawei phones. Again to me that is worse anti-competitive practice than patent infringement, because with the latter you still have access to the market.

I'm going to repeat myself here, I am not saying China is the good guy here, but neither is the US, or other countries for that matter. It's all about interests and what you can get away with.

[Azdeus]

1 hour ago, Sarex said:

How so? Both lead to the same thing, a loss of profit. The US one is worse still because at best it damaged the companies reputation and forced it out of the US market or at worst it came down from the goverment to ban it for civil sales too. To this day no proof was provided that Huawei had backdoors installed. Let's not even go in to the google services being forbidden on Huawei phones. Again to me that is worse anti-competitive practice than patent infringement, because with the latter you still have access to the market.

I'm going to repeat myself here, I am not saying China is the good guy here, but neither is the US, or other countries for that matter. It's all about interests and what you can get away with.

The article you linked explicitly stated that Huawei could do any other business in the US, just not with government departments, the other is literally patent infringements together with threats of fines if they try to take the chinese companies to court, actually preventing foreign companies from doing business there. These things are nowhere near equal

Whataboutism is never an arguement for anything