MrBrown Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Hi Since this released in a few days, I thought people might want to chat about it in it's own thread. For a start, here's Mortismal's review: I only watched the pos/neg and wrap up parts since I don't want spoilers, but he really seemed to like it. Says it's his GotY, and best entry in the DA series. Seems high praise, IIRC he was really into the pathfinder games etc, more party based RPGs and stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 This game comes out soon? I have so little hype about it despite playing and completing all 3 of the other games. I even read a couple of the books. Huh. Anyways, I've got a bit of a backlog with Drova and USC: Counterforce on my docket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBrown Posted October 28 Author Share Posted October 28 I don't have a backlog at the moment, so I'll play it on release. Not expecting it to blow me away, but would be nice if it was decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormerine Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) Skill up isn't a fan. Curious what Mort will have to say. To me the question isn't "is Veilguard good or bad". To me it's "how bad is it when compared to Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition". Edited October 28 by Wormerine 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 I will definitely play it but in a couple of years when I can mod it and when its on a sales special I play all Bioware games eventually 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 22 hours ago, Hurlshort said: USC: Counterforce on my docket. Should I feel guilty? 1 Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 49 minutes ago, melkathi said: Should I feel guilty? Yes. But I played through the tutorial and it does seem like my jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 3 hours ago, BruceVC said: I will definitely play it but in a couple of years when I can mod it and when its on a sales special Same with me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Me as well. Maybe by that time I will have forced myself through inquisition. 1 Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuuhhii Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 just wait for dlc it is the only content that can convince player bioware can still make game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugarup Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 I skipped Anthem no problem, this one also looks skippable. Especially with scathingly dismissive reviews like this: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-age/with-the-veilguard-dragon-age-has-forgotten-its-dark-fantasy-roots-and-become-biowares-avengers/ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormerine Posted Wednesday at 10:21 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:21 AM The reviews are so all over the place: Eurogamer: "This is the best Dragon Age, and perhaps BioWare, has ever been." https://www.eurogamer.net/dragon-age-the-veilguard-review Matty echoes a lot of the same woes as Skillup (and PCgamer from what I have glanced): It seems to me that for people who liked Bioware's pre-Anthem output and wished for a "comeback" it's a big miss. Everyone seems to agree though, that the final couple hours are pretty darn good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted Wednesday at 11:05 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:05 AM On 10/28/2024 at 7:23 PM, MrBrown said: I don't have a backlog at the moment, so I'll play it on release. Not expecting it to blow me away, but would be nice if it was decent. When you have played it make a detailed post about your experiences in this thread Im interested in an objective opinion "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted Wednesday at 11:09 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:09 AM 4 hours ago, bugarup said: I skipped Anthem no problem, this one also looks skippable. Especially with scathingly dismissive reviews like this: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-age/with-the-veilguard-dragon-age-has-forgotten-its-dark-fantasy-roots-and-become-biowares-avengers/ @Wormerine Wormie its got Romance, does that make it immediately better " And don't get me started on the romance dialogue. If you choose to do some very light flirting with a character once or twice, the game tries to fast track you into a relationship—complete with all the cliches. In a single hour I had not one but two stammering, bashful romantic encounters that turned the game into an antediluvian romcom. You know the ones: the "It's a date… no, I mean, not a date date" variety. There are some solid romantic encounters, eventually, but you have to trudge through a lot of rote rubbish to see them." "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted Wednesday at 12:57 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:57 PM 6 hours ago, bugarup said: I skipped Anthem no problem, this one also looks skippable. Especially with scathingly dismissive reviews like this: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-age/with-the-veilguard-dragon-age-has-forgotten-its-dark-fantasy-roots-and-become-biowares-avengers/ I dismissed that headline out of hand, since Dragon Age has never been dark fantasy. Blood splatter does not make a game dark fantasy. Slaughtering refugees in DA2 was pointless and nonsensical, not dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormerine Posted Wednesday at 01:07 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:07 PM 4 minutes ago, Hurlshort said: I dismissed that headline out of hand, since Dragon Age has never been dark fantasy. Blood splatter does not make a game dark fantasy. When Origins came out it was a much darker, morally grey fantasy setting - up to that point Bioware games dealt in very contrasting and simplistic saint vs devil options. And I think there were bits of Origins that delivered on the promise, but overall I am with you - outside endgy venieer it was still mostly a straightforward fantasy world. Each sequel seemed to me to move further away from the bits that I liked the most about Origins. Veilguard seems to continue in that direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugarup Posted Wednesday at 01:29 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:29 PM (edited) I agree that it was never dark fantasy, just plain old heroic fantasy with darkish curtains. But when compared side to side with this safe and fluffy amalgamation of Fortnite and Disney, I can see how in retrospect DA:O might look pitch-black. P.S.: Speaking of Fortnite, maaaaybe in a few years I could slip this DAV as a gateway drug into RPGs to my nephew, who is currently Fortnite-loving eight-year old. Edited Wednesday at 01:34 PM by bugarup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted Wednesday at 01:53 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:53 PM On 10/28/2024 at 12:30 PM, Wormerine said: Skill up isn't a fan. Curious what Mort will have to say. To me the question isn't "is Veilguard good or bad". To me it's "how bad is it when compared to Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition". I didn't watch the whole thing, or even most of it, but I have to say the characters do look pretty damn uncanny. There's just something off putting at seeing the not-quite-giga chad protagonist awkwardly talk with minimal facial movement. The combat also looks like a Dragon's Dogma knockoff. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted Wednesday at 02:23 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:23 PM It is the darkspawn brood mother encounter in the deep roads that was a lot darker than anything BioWare had done. Most other "dark" bits were not that tone setting. Yes there was racism, yes the mages were a copy of WH40K psykers under the constant threat of demonic possession. But the cringe dopey romance kept dragging you right back out of the darkness. Only in that one section was the atmosphere not broken by Liliana wanting to shop for shoes or Alistair licking lampposts. 2 1 Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBrown Posted Wednesday at 02:43 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 02:43 PM The color palette in DA:O was less saturated. I think that's what people mean when they say it was dark fantasy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted Wednesday at 03:47 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:47 PM So dark = stale dirty brownish paint water? Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted Wednesday at 04:25 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:25 PM Guess you guys will just have to wait for Veilguard: The Snyder Cut. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugarup Posted Wednesday at 04:33 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:33 PM 4 minutes ago, majestic said: Guess you guys will just have to wait for Veilguard: The Snyder Cut. If it allows me to kick those Pixary twee bobbleheads into a well King Leonidas style I'm good with it. Won't even need a ~*snarky*~ quip afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted Wednesday at 04:57 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:57 PM The reviews I've seen all point to some big emotional finale of the franchise so far. And that has kind of sold me on it. If it can stick an ending and wrap things up, I guess I can work with that. DAO will always hold a dear place for me. And I think each installment has less magic than the last. But if this is potentially answering some of those big questions from long ago, I can't resist. I think I spent way too much time after DAO speculating on the nature of the Fade, the Blight, and the Black City to pass up. 1 "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted Thursday at 12:11 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:11 AM 9 hours ago, melkathi said: It is the darkspawn brood mother encounter in the deep roads that was a lot darker than anything BioWare had done. While about 95% of Bioware 'evil' has always been low effort chaotic stupid moustache twirling they have occasionally come up with something genuinely dark as opposed to grimdark. The other 5% is (part of) what kept people hoping for something better. Personally I'd definitely put forcing a wookiee to strangle his best friend, who was also a 14 year old girl, via his life debt to you as being above anything in the Dragon Ages in terms of 'good' bad and you can't get much darker than that as a concept. Indeed that was not just good for Bioware, but good for any video game. 10 hours ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said: I didn't watch the whole thing, or even most of it, but I have to say the characters do look pretty damn uncanny. There's just something off putting at seeing the not-quite-giga chad protagonist awkwardly talk with minimal facial movement. Sounds like Bioware really is getting back to its roots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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