PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Malcador said: https://www.rawstory.com/kamala-harris-assassination-attempt-trump-mar-a-lago/ Trump talking about de-escalating rhetoric "I can use it too — far better than they can — but I don’t." Lmao "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 14 hours ago, Malcador said: https://www.rawstory.com/kamala-harris-assassination-attempt-trump-mar-a-lago/ Trump talking about de-escalating rhetoric Unfortunately both sides are guilty of this. And even though I support the idea of " deescalating the rhetoric " that ship sailed a long time ago and its now part of the established campaigning and slogans from both candidates But I dont find it funny because the US has a reality with gun violence, access to guns and untreated mental illness And you can find numerous examples of a small number of mentally unbalanced people believing " candidate x is going to destroy the US if they win" and then they act on it and often with tragic consequence "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuuhhii Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 yes every side fanatically support gun violence gun access and refuse to offer treatment for mental illness does the pretence of enlightened centrism ever get tiring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 49 minutes ago, uuuhhii said: yes every side fanatically support gun violence gun access and refuse to offer treatment for mental illness does the pretence of enlightened centrism ever get tiring No it doesnt get tiresome when we talking about a reality in the US You not going to solve gun violence in US during this election period but both candidates can control what they say and how they say it knowing there could be consequence around mass shootings caused by mental illness "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) I'm really curious how people are able to keep doing this "both sides" mental gymnastics day in and out. Like, if I imagine myself to write every day ridiculous stuff like that... it would probably drive me crazy. Not even sure if I could do it if someone pays me a lot of money for it. Edited September 17 by Lexx 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 18 minutes ago, Lexx said: I'm really curious how people are able to keep doing this "both sides" mental gymnastics day in and out. Like, if I imagine myself to write every day ridiculous stuff like that... it would probably drive me crazy. Not even sure if I could do it if someone pays me a lot of money for it. It doesnt really require much effort or mental gymnastics when " both sides " are guilty of something. But they not always doing the same thing so you need to look at each allegation or concern separately and be specific So in this case its easy to understand and see where both candidates are exaggerating to gain votes and support around what the other candidate wants to achieve and what will happen to the US if the candidate wins. And they basically saying this Harris : Trump will destroy US democracy, he is the greatest threat to our Democracy and freedoms we have ever seen Trump: Harris is a Communist\Socialist. She will destroy our country with her liberal and progressive policies "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairchucker Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, BruceVC said: It doesnt really require much effort or mental gymnastics when " both sides " are guilty of something. But they not always doing the same thing so you need to look at each allegation or concern separately and be specific So in this case its easy to understand and see where both candidates are exaggerating to gain votes and support around what the other candidate wants to achieve and what will happen to the US if the candidate wins. And they basically saying this Harris : Trump will destroy US democracy, he is the greatest threat to our Democracy and freedoms we have ever seen Trump: Harris is a Communist\Socialist. She will destroy our country with her liberal and progressive policies Trump being a threat to Democracy should not be a particularly controversial statement, unless you're particularly dedicated to the gimmick of enlightened centrism. He repeatedly refused to accept the result of an election, up to and including inciting a terrorist attack on the Capitol, he tried to convince his VP not to certify the election, he said that maybe his VP deserved to be murdered for not overthrowing the election, he said he'd be a dictator, (but only on day one!) he's repeatedly cosied up to and expressed admiration for dictators, including suggesting that maybe America should have a President for life like China has, he told people that after they voted him in they'd never have to vote again. I know for some reason you are relentlessly dedicated to giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that maybe his seemingly infinite bounty of statements that reveal what a corrupt, horrible person he is actually mean something else, but just once, why not listen to what he actually says, over and over and over again? Edited September 17 by Chairchucker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 29 minutes ago, Chairchucker said: Trump being a threat to Democracy should not be a particularly controversial statement, unless you're particularly dedicated to the gimmick of enlightened centrism. He repeatedly refused to accept the result of an election, up to and including inciting a terrorist attack on the Capitol, he tried to convince his VP not to certify the election, he said that maybe his VP deserved to be murdered for not overthrowing the election, he said he'd be a dictator, (but only on day one!) he's repeatedly cosied up to and expressed admiration for dictators, including suggesting that maybe America should have a President for life like China has, he told people that after they voted him in they'd never have to vote again. I know for some reason you are relentlessly dedicated to giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that maybe his seemingly infinite bounty of statements that reveal what a corrupt, horrible person he is actually mean something else, but just once, why not listen to what he actually says, over and over and over again? Ostensibly that might not be a controversial statement based on the examples you have given. You make some valid points here But I am assuming you dont think he should be assassinated because of what he has said or done? Do you think Trump getting killed would somehow be better for US Democracy? Some people do believe that but they would never act on it Because thats the point Im making, when presidential candidates publicly say those things that can influence mentally unbalanced people in a country where gun violence and mass shootings are common Its fine if you and I say that on the Internet because we dont have any real influence I just think both candidates need to tone down the rhetoric "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairchucker Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 20 minutes ago, BruceVC said: Ostensibly that might not be a controversial statement based on the examples you have given. You make some valid points here But I am assuming you dont think he should be assassinated because of what he has said or done? Do you think Trump getting killed would somehow be better for US Democracy? Some people do believe that but they would never act on it Because thats the point Im making, when presidential candidates publicly say those things that can influence mentally unbalanced people in a country where gun violence and mass shootings are common Its fine if you and I say that on the Internet because we dont have any real influence I just think both candidates need to tone down the rhetoric Paradoxically, while I think Trump being dead (or just, removed from the public consciousness and discourse and with his tiny sex offending hands kept well away from the nether regions of women everywhere) would immediately make the world an immeasurably better place, I don't think politically motivated assassinations are a good precedent to set. I also don't think we need to avoid criticising fascists for being fascists just because the fascist gun loving country they've helped create might use any excuse to shoot someone. Also, while we're on the subject of gun violence, there have been 527 mass shooting deaths in the USA so far this year, and if you picked any of those 527 victims at random, I would cheerfully and without hesitation swap them for any one of the predominantly Republican law makers who consistently refuse to pass legislation restricting the sale of firearms, because maybe if the violence was happening to them they'd feel it was worth taking action. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Nobody says that political assassinations are good (in case of Trump or similar). Interestingly, I believe that Trump getting assassinated would actually be worse for us, since then someone more competent will very likely replace him and votes would go back over to the elephant party. At the end of the day, Trump is just the face of this madness. There are still more than enough crazy people on the republican side. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) Trump would be worse as a martyr, for sure. In his words, "Some people say I'd be the best martyr, maybe even better than Jesus." Edited September 17 by Hurlshort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 7 hours ago, Lexx said: I'm really curious how people are able to keep doing this "both sides" mental gymnastics day in and out. Like, if I imagine myself to write every day ridiculous stuff like that... it would probably drive me crazy. Not even sure if I could do it if someone pays me a lot of money for it. What I do find is that tends to end meaningful discussion, which is probably one reason it is used. "The other side does it too," just affirms confirmation bias because then neither side is doing anything wrong and you don't have to question your own beliefs. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 4 hours ago, BruceVC said: Ostensibly that might not be a controversial statement based on the examples you have given. You make some valid points here But I am assuming you dont think he should be assassinated because of what he has said or done? Do you think Trump getting killed would somehow be better for US Democracy? Some people do believe that but they would never act on it Because thats the point Im making, when presidential candidates publicly say those things that can influence mentally unbalanced people in a country where gun violence and mass shootings are common Its fine if you and I say that on the Internet because we dont have any real influence I just think both candidates need to tone down the rhetoric I don't think pointing this out will help any, but if one candidate is stating facts, or at least well founded opinions, and the other is just stating bald faced lies, someone saying both candidates need to tone down their rhetoric strikes me as either ignorant or just dishonest. And specifically dishonest in favour of the liar. 1 "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 13 hours ago, rjshae said: What I do find is that tends to end meaningful discussion, which is probably one reason it is used. "The other side does it too," just affirms confirmation bias because then neither side is doing anything wrong and you don't have to question your own beliefs. Sometimes yes, it depends how its used But in this case its something that is getting raised on the likes of CNN which is a centralist media house with more left leanings but they try to be in the middle of the political US spectrum. And they raising " tone down the rhetoric from both sides " I do agree that the words " but both sides are doing it" can be counterproductive and is abused, its about the context Edited September 18 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (edited) Quote “He was so nice to me yesterday. In one way I sort of wish the call wasn’t made, because I do feel a little — he’s so nice. ‘I’m so sorry about what happened,’ and all that,” Trump said at a campaign town hall in Michigan, recounting his call with Biden on Monday. “Same with Kamala today. She could not have been nicer,” Trump added. “But the fact is, we have to have people that are respected by the opponent.” Earlier in the event, Trump referred to the “very nice call” he had with Harris, eliciting boos from the crowd. “No, it was very nice,” Trump said as the crowd jeered. I always love it that whenever Trump has a very rare moment in public decency, his crowds are always there to immediately tell him "no, don't do that". Trump and the hate-filled right are an interesting chicken-or-the-egg situation: on one hand, the latter definitely existed before Trump came along, but usually a lot quieter and more on the fringes of political discussion; on the other hand, without Trump legitimizing and bringing them to the mainstream, they may have well kept to the shadows and never reared their ugly head in public to be able to convert 40% of the population to their way of thinking; on the third hand, moments like quoted above make it pretty clear that despite everything, Trump is just a symptom, a manifestation of these people's hate and rage, and now that they're fully out of the closet, it seems quite certain they're going to be legion for a long time to come. Edited September 19 by Bartimaeus 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 10 hours ago, Bartimaeus said: I always love it that whenever Trump has a very rare moment in public decency, his crowds are always there to immediately tell him "no, don't do that". Trump and the hate-filled right are an interesting chicken-or-the-egg situation: on one hand, the latter definitely existed before Trump came along, but usually a lot quieter and more on the fringes of political discussion; on the other hand, without Trump legitimizing and bringing them to the mainstream, they may have well kept to the shadows and never reared their ugly head in public to be able to convert 40% of the population to their way of thinking; on the third hand, moments like quoted above make it pretty clear that despite everything, Trump is just a symptom, a manifestation of these people's hate and rage, and now that they're fully out of the closet, it seems quite certain they're going to be legion for a long time to come. I think that Trump would have happened without Trump, so to speak, but it is pretty funny that the guy who seized the growing nationalistic reaction to NeoCons and Neoliberalism is a New York real estate weirdo rather than someone like Meatball Ron or Lying Ted or one of the other GOP "up and comers" from the early-mid 2010s. But it does make sense, the in-house Republican (future) leaders hadn't really broken with the quasi-libertarianism and interventionism that had been party doctrine for decades so someone outside the party machine was needed to break in and realign things to where the base was going. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted September 19 Author Share Posted September 19 On 9/17/2024 at 11:33 PM, Hurlshort said: Trump would be worse as a martyr, for sure. In his words, "Some people say I'd be the best martyr, maybe even better than Jesus." Heck, John Lennon got murdered for less “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html Trump called this guy MLK on steroids, maybe on something else it seems Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 1 hour ago, Malcador said: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html Trump called this guy MLK on steroids, maybe on something else it seems Ah, so he was on RPGCodex? Maybe Volourn knows him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 4 hours ago, Malcador said: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html Trump called this guy MLK on steroids, maybe on something else it seems 2 hours ago, Hurlshort said: Ah, so he was on RPGCodex? Maybe Volourn knows him. It's like Ian Miles Cheong on steroids. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Damn. Ian Miles Cheong was already a nutcase. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 13 hours ago, Hurlshort said: Ah, so he was on RPGCodex? Maybe Volourn knows him. Maybe he IS Volourn. 1 2 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Uncle Tom on steroids The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 On 9/19/2024 at 6:58 AM, PK htiw klaw eriF said: I think that Trump would have happened without Trump, so to speak, but it is pretty funny that the guy who seized the growing nationalistic reaction to NeoCons and Neoliberalism is a New York real estate weirdo rather than someone like Meatball Ron or Lying Ted or one of the other GOP "up and comers" from the early-mid 2010s. But it does make sense, the in-house Republican (future) leaders hadn't really broken with the quasi-libertarianism and interventionism that had been party doctrine for decades so someone outside the party machine was needed to break in and realign things to where the base was going. Possibly. I do think the strong streak of isolationism that's now appearing was heavily influenced by DJT. I'm also not convinced that the party's embrace of disinformation and conspiracy theory would have been as strong. Although the distrust of science and an independent press was certainly in the works and likely has allowed the party to gain greater control of their messaging. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuuhhii Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 so something stupid did happen before election usa are sending 40000 to help with the massacre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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