The All Things Political Topic - Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities

[Malcador]

More proof of Canadians being ****ing morons - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/governor-general-no-confidence-1.6360883

Can't wait to see what these QAnon North homunculi try next.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Malcador

[Gromnir]

8 minutes ago, Gorth said:

It’s 2:20am here, so I’ll have to give this thread a break until tomorrow afternoon (Eastern Aussie time)

am personal gonna be unavailable from noonish our time 'til march 4, so is unlikely either of us revisits soon. no sweat. will no doubt come up organic again at some point in the future. always does.

HA! Good Fun!

[Malcador]

22 minutes ago, Gorth said:

It’s 2:20am here, so I’ll have to give this thread a break until tomorrow afternoon (Eastern Aussie time)

[BruceVC]

18 minutes ago, Malcador said:

More proof of Canadians being ****ing morons - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/governor-general-no-confidence-1.6360883

Can't wait to see what these QAnon North homunculi try next.

I am amazed in a first world country some citizens could be so ignorant about how their government works...to quote 

The organizers of the convoy protest said they hoped to dissolve the federal government through appeals to the governor general.

Im truly amazed and shocked 

[Malcador]

5 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

I am amazed in a first world country some citizens could be so ignorant about how their government works.

Have you ever spent 5 minutes talking to a handful ?

[Darkpriest]

Oh my god.... 

 

This is ridiculous... 

As predicted, huffing and puffing to deflect from economic issues at home and now the servile lapdog CBS will try to push that inflation and economic issues in US are a result of no other than your boogyman RUSSIA... Does anyone believe these ****heads still? 

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Darkpriest

[Agiel]

@DarkpriestMaybe you want to ask Europeans or the Kenyans what they think:

And last I checked freaking Bernie Sanders wasn't exactly Scoop Jackson-esque in his views on interventionism:

Slice of life story: In anticipation of the upcoming release of the Eldar codex I was on my daily sojourn onto Reddit to see the new rules leaks, and the last image on post alone got an upvote from me.

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Agiel

[Chilloutman]

haha, that Kenya speech was hilarious.

 

'we would still be waging bloody wars these many decades later'

 

bro, there are no more wars than in Africa right now. I am rolling on the floor

[BruceVC]

25 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

haha, that Kenya speech was hilarious.

 

'we would still be waging bloody wars these many decades later'

 

bro, there are no more wars than in Africa right now. I am rolling on the floor

Yes you right, their are numerous conflicts and coups in several African countries. I would say the most in the last 20 years so the end of Colonialism hasnt changed that 

But then their are the rising stars and success stories so its a mixed bag 

But he is right about Ukraine and what  Russia  is doing 

Edited February 23, 2022 by BruceVC

[Malcador]

Maybe he meant Kenya alone there, but I guess it still does back up his point to acknowledge the mostly insurgencies in Africa right now.

[BruceVC]

8 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Maybe he meant Kenya alone there, but I guess it still does back up his point to acknowledge the mostly insurgencies in Africa right now.

Also he is referring to wars over tribal  and ethnic conflicts and not all the current conflicts are about that 

So for example their are 4-5  areas where countries are battling Islamic Extremists like Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram 

Edited February 23, 2022 by BruceVC

[Malcador]

Reminds me to try to figure out WTF went on in the Second Congo War.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Malcador

[BruceVC]

2 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Reminds me to try to figure out WTF went on in the Second Congo War.

I agree, thats a very complicated war because of all  the countries that got involved

It was partly ethnic but IMO more about about the massive mineral wealth within the DRC with countries like Angola and Zimbabwe ( Mugabe of course ) sending troops to " help  " the people of the DRC but most countries getting involved didnt care about the people of the DRC but wanted to enrich themselves 

And to this day the DRC still doesnt have a proper, functional government. It has huge amounts of unmined mineral wealth and should be the wealthiest country in Africa. Nice people from the DRC, they speak French and English. I worked their once in 2005 or 2006 at a massive  mine that was  a self-sufficient  compound that had its own private airstrip for expats and workers to fly directly in 

All 3 of the security guards in my flat complex in Cpt are from the DRC 

[ComradeYellow]

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-vladimir-putin-europe-election-2020-ac251d00b8979cebd0496374fc622a1b?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

Suck it libtards

[Zoraptor]

7 hours ago, Gromnir said:

why you would wanna yet again bullseye yourself with japan is bordering on insane given the numbers o' historians we has shared comments from who disagree with zor, and zor offering no such authorities to refute.  [..] which is same as his fever dreams 'bout how russia were not planning an invasion o' hokkaido before the collapse o' japanese forces in manchuria. 

Dude, your own sources had the plan you used as evidence being made after Japan had surrendered. Which was... after the collapse of their forces in Manchuria, duh. That was demonstrably proven, by you.

Your source had them launching the invasion from ports they didn't hold- and didn't even plan to hold, according to your own source, until after the invasion date- using troops that obviously weren't there, at odds of at best 1:10, without enough ships or logistics. 

You've got a fringe position that you'll defend to the death by making claims the facts in your own sources don't support. If your own sources counter your claims I have zero need to provide counter evidence. Not only that, that was the second time you'd done the exact same thing, and the second time I'd debunked a different source. That's why you switched to the ludicrous claim about me thinking Manchuria was insignificant.

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even so, is improbable zor forgets his own post from mere a page removed and seeming suffers some kinda weird transient amnesiac event. note, blix is one o' the guys who believed there weren't lies from the bush administration-- said so on the not-so mythical video. looking for a person in existence who believes as does Gromnir that the administration were honest mistaken but negligent in their efforts to confirm wmd existence? blix, your injected authority, is one o' those existing people.

as to coercion, blix also said he didn't feel coercion in the "mythical video," so more gaslighting. blix didn't need to share anecdote where he were brought in to see bush, with powell, cheney and others present, and bush made clear and in no uncertain terms that blix had his confidence and support. bush wanted inspections and so blix felt he had bush administration backing, even if a bit later the administration would foolish ignore his pleas for more time to inspect.

 

Blix was a diplomat, diplomats are obligated to be 'nice'*. If he describes coercion or lies then that is what it is- actually stating it outright is Undiplomatic**. He's multiple times said that they lacked 'critical thinking' or similar, certainly, and then gone on to describe incidents that go well beyond that. No one is disputing that Bush and some others genuinely believed what he was saying (well, at least in the broad sense that they Believed Saddam had wmds, and it didn't matter about the details of proving it), the only question is whether you can excuse yourself from lying by deliberate misinterpretation, removal of all equivocation and the like. If I say "I know for a fact that Joe Bloggs' IQ is 70" it's a lie, even if I genuinely believe it. Because while it may be based on evidence, I don't actually know it for a fact. And there were multiple instances of US officials using that sort of statement, and not just Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush. There's simply no way those weren't lies.

*He was 'nice' about Saddam too. Don't think I'd be drawing too many conclusions about Saddam based on Blix saying he was cooperative in 2003, did have genuine security and prestige concerns about inspections, and wasn't lying about having disposed of his wmds- especially as he also clearly thought he was a brutal dictator from other things he said. That's just being diplomatic.

**did you know that no politician has ever lied in the NZ parliament? It's true. Not because they've never made deliberate falsehoods though. Or for that matter look at the response to Obama being told 'you lie' during that SotU.

[Malcador]

American at the UN has some brass taking umbrage at a permanent member being aggressive.

Russia is carrying out an operation though, apparently

Edited February 24, 2022 by Malcador

[Gorth]

10 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Nooooo,......its far too early to go sleep, I thought you were hardcore ?

No, I'm old and wise...

 

 

I recognize the subtle signals my nose sends me when my phone keeps falling back down and boinking my nose when I drift off while typing

[Gorth]

9 hours ago, Agiel said:

Slice of life story: In anticipation of the upcoming release of the Eldar codex I was on my daily sojourn onto Reddit to see the new rules leaks, and the last image on post alone got an upvote from me.

Regarding Ukraine, a diplomatic solution had been worked out but the Minsk Accord was never implemented. Regarding Games Workshop, I'm personally a lot more interested in "Warhammer: The Old World", with a return to the familiar Warhammer world. Talk about screwing up a setting and an existing fan base (i.e. me!)

[pmp10]

Putin orders military operations in Ukraine
Explosions are already reported in Kiev, might mean a full scale invasion instead of just grabbing Donetsk.

[ComradeYellow]

The goal is to defend people who have been victims of abuse and genocide from the Kyiv regime. And we will strive to demilitarize and de-Nazify Ukraine. We will also hand over everyone who committed bloody crimes against civilians, including Russian citizens, to court.

-Based V.Put

Blow those Nazi ****s to the almighty

[Darkpriest]

Seems i might need to be going to find my monopoly guy top hat... DANGEROUSLY close to that. 

Russians entered southern Ukriane... 

I still think this is aimed to carve out a land bridge, but in the current scenario, all bets are off. Things can escalate super fast... 

 

Edit: an effin a-hole. I'd not think he had the actual lack of reason to do it in the current situation. 

He gave US what they wanted and became a person, who lost ALL credibility on the int. stage. 

And might cause a 3rd WW in the process.... 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Darkpriest

[pmp10]

Gunshots are reported around Kiev airport and Putin just said he has no plans to occupy the country.

This makes some crazy sense now, he is thinking regime change Kabul '79 style. 
Also explains the names lists, troop dispositions and intelligence on the invasion dates.
Little wonder some in armed forces leaked that to the US, too bad it wasn't enough to dissuade him. 
That would mean his expectation is easy collapse of resistance if not outright surrender after first clashes.

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by pmp10

[rjshae]

19 minutes ago, pmp10 said:

Putin orders military operations in Ukraine
Explosions are already reported in Kiev, might mean a full scale invasion instead of just grabbing Donetsk.

So much for nothing will happen, it's all a bluff. Right. My sympathies for the people of the Ukraine.

[Darkpriest]

17 minutes ago, rjshae said:

So much for nothing will happen, it's all a bluff. Right. My sympathies for the people of the Ukraine.

So far Russians aimed tactical infrastructure, like airfields, which is on the outskirts of the cities. No news on any casualties or direct assault on armed forces. No report on the exact number of strikes. 

This however is a really bad situation. This is not Afghanistan, where armed forces were sided with Talibans most of the time anyway. 

I doubt Ukraininas will just fold and run away. 

It is a matter of where Russians are aimed to stop. If south to east land strip, then maybe it will have some potential for de-escalation. 

If this is a full regime change operation, then this will end up very ugly very soon and I seripusly hope Ukrainians will kick ass and kick out Ruskies

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Darkpriest

[Darkpriest]

Worryingly, Russians landed in Odessa, which is way west to the area of Crimea and land bridge to Russian controlled territory, which means that potentially regime change is the goal, the WORST possible scenario for Ukraine is becoming the most likely very fast...

The comments about 'ruling junta' also indicate on the regime change... 

 

RUSSIAN MILITARY CARRYING OUT AIRSTRIKES ON UKRAINIAN MILITARY COMPOUNDS AND COMMUNICATION CENTERS NEAR KYIV

UKRAINE TO IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW - TOP SECURITY OFFICIAL, ACCORDING TO LOCAL MEDIA

UKRAINE INTERIOR MINISTRY URGES CITIZENS TO HIDE IN SHELTERS

INTERIOR MINISTRY WARNS UKRAINE CAPITAL OF MISSILE ATTACK

Edited February 24, 2022 by Darkpriest