A Fifth of Coronavirus

[Skarpen]

5 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

has nothing to do with corporations. american citizens has rights. if you own a business, you do not sudden lose rights. in the us (perhaps europe is different, but we hope not) business owners is not legal forced to behave stoopid. +95% o' hospitalizations for covid-19 is 'mongst the unvaccinated. +99% of deaths is amongst the unvaccinated. a business owner who is reasonable, would prefer to not have his workforce hospitalized and or dying from covid. 

is not a corporation issue. 

regardless, is no right to spread disease, whether is a business or individual or individual business. 

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You don't loose rights, from what you guys said for last few pages the case is you suddenly gain rights over other human beings. 

Where do you take those numbers? USA only? Looks different in other parts of the world. :

"However, of those dying of COVID-19 in recent months, a comfortable majority - around 64% - had received at least a single dose of one of the vaccines."

"It is there in black and white on Public Health England's data tables: of the 460 people who died between February and July having tested positive for the Delta variant, 289 had been double-jabbed; some 65 had received one dose. And 165 had not been vaccinated at all."

"The report observed that the number of fatalities among people who had received two doses of vaccine was on the rise: 118 of 257 deaths, or 46%."

COVID-19: Data shows vaccines reduce risk of hospitalisation and death - but you need to read it with a clear head | UK News | Sky News

Covid-19 infections in vaccinated people: the use of statistics without context leads to false conclusions | USA | EL PAÍS in English (elpais.com)

[Gromnir]

7 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

proof skarpen doesn't read what he links

you are being willful obtuse. did you bother to actual read the links? the vaccines are NOT 100% effective, so there will continue to be deaths from covid-19 amongst the vaccinated population. IF you got near all people vaccinated, then of course those deaths which continue to occur is going to appear in the vaccinated population. want a really scary stat? if we got 100% o' the US magical vaccinated, then a full 100% o' future covid deaths would be occurring in the vaccinated. omg!

duh.

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ps and is noteworthy you dropped the silly corporations distinction in your response. we shouldn't ignore when you final do something right. so, congrats.

Edited August 9, 2021 by Gromnir

[Skarpen]

9 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

you are being willful obtuse. did you bother to actual read the links? the vaccines are NOT 100% effective, so there will continue to be deaths from covid-19 amongst the vaccinated population. IF you got near all people vaccinated, then of course those deaths which continue to occur is going to appear in the vaccinated population. want a really scary stat? if we got 100% o' the US magical vaccinated, then a full 100% o' future covid deaths would be occurring in the vaccinated. omg!

duh.

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ps and is noteworthy you dropped the silly corporations distinction in your response. we shouldn't ignore when you final do something right. so, congrats.

Umm, the vaccination ration in UK is 59%, in USA 50% not that big difference and yet you claim 99%+ of the cases and deaths is unvaccinated yet in other countries it's more like 40/60 ratio. Of course if 100% would be vaccinated there would be no unvaccinated cases because there would be no unvaccinated people, but what this has to do with current situation? Seems like the numbers in USA are inflated.

[Gromnir]

7 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

Umm, the vaccination ration in UK is 59%, in USA 50% not that big difference and yet you claim 99%+ of the cases and deaths is unvaccinated yet in other countries it's more like 40/60 ratio. Of course if 100% would be vaccinated there would be no unvaccinated cases because there would be no unvaccinated people, but what this has to do with current situation? Seems like the numbers in USA are inflated.

you didn't pay attention to the articles you read and how the numbers were compared.

The first is that the majority of UK adults have now been vaccinated. Indeed, break it down by age group and you'll see that of those aged over 50 around 91% have been vaccinated - most of them with two jabs.

The second is that the vaccines don't entirely reduce the risk of either catching the disease or being hospitalised or dying of it. They are not 100% effective. But they do, at least on the basis of tests from Pfizer and AstraZeneca, reduce the likelihood of both of these outcomes considerably.

But reducing something considerably is not the same as eliminating it. So, for instance, before getting vaccinated the chances of a 90-year-old catching and dying of COVID-19 were estimated to be roughly 2.8%.

After getting the jabs, the chances of the same illustrative 90-year-old catching and dying the disease are reduced to around 0.14%.

It's a very big reduction, but that jabbed 90-year-old nonetheless faces a roughly similar risk profile as an unjabbed 60-year-old (0.12%). Same thing for an 80-year-old, whose jabbed risk profile is close to that of an unjabbed 50-year-old. And so on.

It's a very big reduction, but that jabbed 90-year-old nonetheless faces a roughly similar risk profile as an unjabbed 60-year-old (0.12%). Same thing for an 80-year-old, whose jabbed risk profile is close to that of an unjabbed 50-year-old. And so on.

The point here is that even if the vaccines were doing exactly what we expected of them, some people, especially the elderly, are still quite likely to die of COVID-19 - especially if there's a lot of it around.

...

"You might recall Sir Patrick said that around 60% of those hospitalised were double jabbed in the press conference, and then had to correct himself on Twitter afterwards. Interestingly, when you look just at the over-50s, it turns out around 54% of those admitted were indeed double-jabbed, with only 29% of those admitted having had no vaccination. Again, given the very high proportions of those in the age group who are vaccinated, this is perhaps unsurprising."

again, the over 50 is the 90% vaccinated.

old people is still higher risk. duh. the point o' getting everybody vaccinated is in part to prevent the issue with having much covid still around. duh.

purposeful misreading the numbers does you no favors.

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Edited August 9, 2021 by Gromnir

[rjshae]

Common tapeworm drugs may provide new COVID-19 treatment -- salicylanilide 11

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Comprehensive experiments signified that salicylanilide 11 influenced coronavirus infections in two ways. First, it impeded how the virus deposited its genetic material into infected cells in a process called endocytosis, which requires the virus to form a lipid-based packet enveloping viral genes. Usually, the packet permeates the infected cell and dissolves, causing the infected cell’s protein-building machinery to read it and create new viral copies. However, salicylanilide 11 has been shown to stop the dissolution of the packet.

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Secondly, salicylanilide 11 aided in reducing toxic inflammation, a characteristic that could be vital in mitigating the respiratory distress that is commonly displayed in severe COVID infections. The compound effectively reduced levels of the signalling protein interleukin 6, a known cause of inflammation in the advanced stages of COVID-19.

 

 

[Elerond]

6 hours ago, Skarpen said:

So... they do have those regulations and I'm pretty sure in all 3 those agencies are state owned not private. So... you further undermine your claim. 

Anti-doping and Integrity in sports organization in Finland, FINCIS/SUEK is private entity (non-profit organization, founded by Finnish Olympic Committee, Finnish Paralympic Committee and Finnish Society of Sports Medicine, which are also private non-profit organizations

Although FINCIS/SUEK has given Ministry of Education and Culture power to appoint 2-3 members in its board of directors because organization get most of its funding from state. For reasons there are no state owned sport organizations or statutory sport corporations in Finland, even though majority of sports rely on state funding. 

Also Sweden's and Norway's anti doping agencies are private organizations that have similar dependency on state funds

Also mentioned regulations aren't written in laws but instead done by agreements which individual need to accept in order to compete in sports on levels that those regulations concern.

[Gromnir]

The Pentagon Has Moved Toward Making Vaccines Mandatory For Service Members

am not actual in favor o' mandated vaccines for the civilian population. past US experience with mandated vaccines, which is incontrovertibly legal btw, has been less than positive. as some o' you may have discovered this past near year-and-a-half, once you tell americans they are required to do something, some % will resist as a matter o' principle. if USA fed or state governments mandated the need to wear a warm coat when temperatures drop below freezing, then am guaranteeing you would see a disturbing spike in hypothermia deaths.

that said, the military is a bit different. mandate vaccines and reach near 100% vaccination rates is not facing practical hurdles for DoD. am guessing the only reason this has not already been done were 'cause such a mandate (sans delta) would be widely criticized by the right as well as the awareness there is so many far right extremist groups with disproportionate numbers o' former military. mandate and forcibly vaccinate large numbers o' individuals who is objecting to being vaccinated will save lives and reduce unacceptable hospitalization rates, but it will result in a boost to proud boy and 3% recruiting efforts. regardless, the current right is gonna criticize this move, but looking at the covid-19 hospitalization rates in places like texas is gonna somewhat mute the braveheart moments from republican politicians trying to dramatic appeal to the trump base  before the next primary or election. even folks like desantis has given up on vaccine resistance and shifted to masks. masks? whatever.

regardless, am moderate surprised the Department of Defense waited as long as it did. quite likely means there is far more future proud boys, oathkeepers and 3% in the military than we had imagined, and we imagined more than a few.

is not a privacy issue. we are talking 'bout a communicable disease which has already killed hundreds o' thousands o' americans in a relative brief period o' time, a disease which is spread quite easily and anonymously through ordinary public human interaction. is 'bout as not private as you can get.

HA! Good Fun!

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Gromnir
repeat word fail

[Skarpen]

8 hours ago, Elerond said:

Although FINCIS/SUEK has given Ministry of Education and Culture power to appoint 2-3 members in its board of directors because organization get most of its funding from state. For reasons there are no state owned sport organizations or statutory sport corporations in Finland, even though majority of sports rely on state funding. 

Also Sweden's and Norway's anti doping agencies are private organizations that have similar dependency on state funds

Also mentioned regulations aren't written in laws but instead done by agreements which individual need to accept in order to compete in sports on levels that those regulations concern.

Dude, just stop. It's on their webpage:

https://suek.fi/en/fincis/background/history/

"After a number of Finns were caught using doping agents at the World Ski Championships in 2001, there was a strong will to promote doping control in Finland. It was decided to establish a new independent organisation, funded by the Ministry of Education and Culture using lottery proceeds. The constituent meeting of the Finnish Anti-Doping Agency FINADA was held on 8 November 2001.

The Finnish Center for Integrity in Sports FINCIS starts

Ethical issues became increasingly important. The Ministry of Education and Culture launched extensive studies concerning the administration of the new sports conventions in practice: Minister Lauri Tarasti prepared a report for the Ministry in 2014 on the administration of ethical issues in sports in Finland. The research continued at the Ministry and on 18 November 2015, the Minister of Education and Culture, Sanni Grahn-Laasonen, appointed the Finnish Advisory Board for Ethics in Sport. The Finnish Center for Integrity in Sports FINCIS was established on 28 January 2016. “Finnish Anti-Doping Agency FINADA” was used as an auxiliary name of the new organisation for the duration of the transition."

It didn't "allow" Ministry to join. It was created by the Ministry, not the other way around as you try to claim. It's direct descendant of FINADA which was also created by state. It's not a direct government organization but it's not fully private and independent. 

It follows the Finnish laws and regulations as well as international ones, not making their own ones. And they are all written on law:

https://suek.fi/en/anti-doping-activities/rules/

https://suek.fi/en/anti-doping-activities/rules/codes-and-standards/

https://suek.fi/en/anti-doping-activities/rules/legislation-and-international-agreements/

And I guess Sweden and Norway ones operate similarly. So yeah, nice try.

You will not find a single instance of a country where a private entity enforce their own rules on doping simply because antidoping is mainly to allow countries to compete internationally and international laws require countries to have legislature on the subject. I hope I saved you some time. 

[Gorth]

Even Murdoch's (the guy who runs Fox News and Sky News) pet politicians in NSW is considering mandatory vaccinations in some government workplaces (health care). Going to be interesting to see how the Anti-Vaxxers and Flat-Earthers are going to react to that.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/nsw-considers-mandatory-covid19-vaccination-health-workers/100363250

"I've spoken to two union leaders this morning and indicated that I believe that if you want to work inside a health facility, if you want to care for patients, you should be vaccinated, because this particular virus is extremely dangerous," the Minister said.

"There are precedents for compulsory, or mandatory vaccines in other areas so I've asked NSW Health to work with the unions."

 

Edit: About the legality (in Australia) of requiring employees to get vaccinated:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/09/covid-vaccine-mandates-can-you-be-required-in-australia-to-get-the-jab

Scott Morrison says mandating vaccines for workers will be left up to businesses

 

Four states (New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia and South Australia) have imposed public health orders requiring certain types of workers to get the vaccine. These include quarantine, transportation, airport, health services and aged care staff.

The national cabinet has also agreed that by mid-September all aged care workers will need to have had at least one dose.
Can employers require vaccination?

Employment law experts, including barrister Ian Neil and Adelaide University professor Andrew Stewart, have argued that employers’ common law power to issue “lawful and reasonable” directions could allow them to require staff to be vaccinated."

[Gromnir]

unnecessary clarification: am opposed to government mandated vaccinations for civilian population.

businesses, whether is corporate or sole proprietor (*eye roll*) obviously has reasonable and practical reasons for demanding prospective and current employees be vaccinated against a widespread communicable disease for which there is a readily available and free vaccination. preclude businesses from requesting employees provide so-called private medical info, such as eye test results for a pilot or driver, or drug tests results for bus drivers or train engineers, would not only be unreasonable but would be interfering with the rights o' business owners. make some kinda crazy exception to preclude vaccine status requests or prevent testing would be un american as well as just plain stoopid. 

edit:

meanwhile, in texas...

Austin in 'dire' situation with rise in COVID-19 hospitalizations, officials warn

The grim outlook is also captured in new modeling released last week by researchers at the University of Texas.

It placed the chance of reaching ICU capacity by the end of August at 92%, if community mitigation efforts do not slow transmission.

not good news.

HA! Good Fun!

Edited August 10, 2021 by Gromnir

[Skarpen]

1 hour ago, Gorth said:

Even Murdoch's (the guy who runs Fox News and Sky News) pet politicians in NSW is considering mandatory vaccinations in some government workplaces (health care). Going to be interesting to see how the Anti-Vaxxers and Flat-Earthers are going to react to that.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/nsw-considers-mandatory-covid19-vaccination-health-workers/100363250

"I've spoken to two union leaders this morning and indicated that I believe that if you want to work inside a health facility, if you want to care for patients, you should be vaccinated, because this particular virus is extremely dangerous," the Minister said.

"There are precedents for compulsory, or mandatory vaccines in other areas so I've asked NSW Health to work with the unions."

 

Edit: About the legality (in Australia) of requiring employees to get vaccinated:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/09/covid-vaccine-mandates-can-you-be-required-in-australia-to-get-the-jab

Scott Morrison says mandating vaccines for workers will be left up to businesses

 

Four states (New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia and South Australia) have imposed public health orders requiring certain types of workers to get the vaccine. These include quarantine, transportation, airport, health services and aged care staff.

The national cabinet has also agreed that by mid-September all aged care workers will need to have had at least one dose.
Can employers require vaccination?

Employment law experts, including barrister Ian Neil and Adelaide University professor Andrew Stewart, have argued that employers’ common law power to issue “lawful and reasonable” directions could allow them to require staff to be vaccinated."

This:

The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief executive, Andrew McKellar, agreed, saying: “The best pathway towards mandating vaccines in workplaces is through clear public health orders.”

[Skarpen]

31 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

unnecessary clarification: am opposed to government mandated vaccinations for civilian population.

businesses, whether is corporate or sole proprietor (*eye roll*) obviously has reasonable and practical reasons for demanding prospective and current employees be vaccinated against a widespread communicable disease for which there is a readily available and free vaccination. preclude businesses from requesting employees provide so-called private medical info, such as eye test results for a pilot or driver, or drug tests results for bus drivers or train engineers, would not only be unreasonable but would be interfering with the rights o' business owners. make some kinda crazy exception to preclude vaccine status requests or prevent testing would be un american as well as just plain stoopid. 

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So you are in favor of Trump the CEO or Joe the shopowner to mandate vaccines to people but not the HHS? 

[Gromnir]

24 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

So you are in favor of Trump the CEO or Joe the shopowner to mandate vaccines to people but not the HHS? 

correct. for three reasons:

1) deny business owners the right to chose a reasonable option to protect their workers is unamerican and lacks a rational basis. a simple vaccine significant reduces the chance that during a global pandemic which has already killed hundreds of thousands of americans, your primary asset (labor) will be interrupted or even crippled by what are now largely (not complete) avoidable outbreaks. again, we don't even blink at sharing private medical info such as eye exam results and drug tests, so suggest vaccine proof is a bridge too far for business is kinda asinine.

2) history has shown a poor response to government vaccine mandates and the current ignorance-based resistance is disproportionate to any historical analogue we could care to name. our resistance is nothing more than a practical recognition that achieving results through vaccine mandates is unlikely to produce the results many anticipate while at the same time resulting in a higher likelihood of radicalization amongst the stoopid. is far too much stoopid.

3) hhs has no authority to mandate national vaccine requirements.

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ps this has been stated numerous times, so repeating feels like is patronizing, but 'pon reflection, given the current audience, is necessary.

government mandate assumes it is not possible to say no to the demand for vaccination. kinda presupposed by "mandate" language. whatever. converse, and as already stated, trump or joe shopkeeper may only request employees or prospects vaccinate. no fines. no loss of liberty threat. am assuming an at will employment which is kinda the standard here in the US. employer may fire you for reason or no reason at anytime as long as reason is not violating the Constitution or some state or fed law. employee may quit at anytime. vaccination status is not gonna be one o' those select categories which precludes ending an at will employment.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Gromnir
yet another repeat word fail. sheesh

[Gromnir]

additional unstated obvious: an employee opposed to a vaccination request from her boss may quit.

the employee is not denied the option o' ending employment even if her reasoning for quitting is abject stoopid, and what could be more american than that, eh?

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

 

[Elerond]

2 hours ago, Skarpen said:

Dude, just stop. It's on their webpage:

https://suek.fi/en/fincis/background/history/

"After a number of Finns were caught using doping agents at the World Ski Championships in 2001, there was a strong will to promote doping control in Finland. It was decided to establish a new independent organisation, funded by the Ministry of Education and Culture using lottery proceeds. The constituent meeting of the Finnish Anti-Doping Agency FINADA was held on 8 November 2001.

The Finnish Center for Integrity in Sports FINCIS starts

Ethical issues became increasingly important. The Ministry of Education and Culture launched extensive studies concerning the administration of the new sports conventions in practice: Minister Lauri Tarasti prepared a report for the Ministry in 2014 on the administration of ethical issues in sports in Finland. The research continued at the Ministry and on 18 November 2015, the Minister of Education and Culture, Sanni Grahn-Laasonen, appointed the Finnish Advisory Board for Ethics in Sport. The Finnish Center for Integrity in Sports FINCIS was established on 28 January 2016. “Finnish Anti-Doping Agency FINADA” was used as an auxiliary name of the new organisation for the duration of the transition."

It didn't "allow" Ministry to join. It was created by the Ministry, not the other way around as you try to claim. It's direct descendant of FINADA which was also created by state. It's not a direct government organization but it's not fully private and independent. 

It follows the Finnish laws and regulations as well as international ones, not making their own ones. And they are all written on law:

https://suek.fi/en/anti-doping-activities/rules/

https://suek.fi/en/anti-doping-activities/rules/codes-and-standards/

https://suek.fi/en/anti-doping-activities/rules/legislation-and-international-agreements/

And I guess Sweden and Norway ones operate similarly. So yeah, nice try.

You will not find a single instance of a country where a private entity enforce their own rules on doping simply because antidoping is mainly to allow countries to compete internationally and international laws require countries to have legislature on the subject. I hope I saved you some time. 

It is not created by state and it is not controlled by state. Although state demanded creation of it because of mentioned doping scandal.

Also it isn't actually direct descendant of FINADA, but fusion of several different organizations. 

Also Ministry is allowed to join as Olympic committees and Sports Medical society have controlling votes, meaning that they have power to remove ministry from the organization.

"new independent organisation"  <- as this clause in the text you quoted tells, it is independent of state control. And its company form is private non-profit registered association. Which means that EU regulations forbid direct state control over it, even when they have power to appoint people in its board of directors.

EDIT: Also doping test were compulsory before FINADA was formed and done by sports unions.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Elerond

[Skarpen]

2 minutes ago, Elerond said:

It is not created by state and it is not controlled by state. Although state demanded creation of it

Those are is just technicalities of how this organisation operates. It still isn't operating as you claim it to. It implements state and international laws not create it's own. 

Sorry, but your parallel between how we allow doping tests and we should allow employers to do the same with vaccines is not holding any ground. 

[Elerond]

3 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

Those are is just technicalities of how this organisation operates. It still isn't operating as you claim it to. It implements state and international laws not create it's own. 

Sorry, but your parallel between how we allow doping tests and we should allow employers to do the same with vaccines is not holding any ground. 

It is same, but for some reason you don't think that athletes medical privacy is worth same as yours 

EDIT: It is interesting how international laws are just technicalities when it comes to independence of organization but are most important thing when it comes to medical privacy 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Elerond

[Skarpen]

3 minutes ago, Elerond said:

It is same, but for some reason you don't think that athletes medical privacy is worth same as yours 

No, it's not the same as I already explained. Legislation is clear in that regard and all sports organizations follow the legislature. There is no private sports organization that makes it's own rules and forces athletes to take anything or perform medical procedures at whim. If you insist on treating the vaccination in the same manner then you actually backup my viewpoint - adding covid vaccine to the mandatory list and taking care of this by proper legislature with governments taking responsibility for it. 

[Elerond]

15 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

No, it's not the same as I already explained. Legislation is clear in that regard and all sports organizations follow the legislature. There is no private sports organization that makes it's own rules and forces athletes to take anything or perform medical procedures at whim. If you insist on treating the vaccination in the same manner then you actually backup my viewpoint - adding covid vaccine to the mandatory list and taking care of this by proper legislature with governments taking responsibility for it. 

They don't

Like for example US professional sport leagues, are not WADA signatories and have their own doping rules. And they do their own doping and drug testing.

https://www.usada.org/resources/faq/

Is USADA responsible for testing American collegiate NCAA athletes or professional sport leagues like the NFL, NHL, MLB, or NBA?

Generally not, although USADA does oversee the independent anti-doping program for UFC. Most professional sports leagues and the NCAA are not WADA Code signatories, and they conduct their own anti-doping programs in-house. Professional and collegiate athletes who also participate in Olympic sports (e.g. basketball, hockey), however, are subject to USADA testing in the lead up to the Games or World Championship. USADA is responsible for the testing program and results management for athletes in Olympic, Paralympic, Pan American, and Parapan American sport. Please see the previous question to understand what constitutes Olympic, Paralympic, Pan American, and Parapan American sport. USADA also conducts testing by contract for sports and/or events that fall outside this group, such as professional boxing, dance, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Elerond

[Raithe]

Is it mildly trolling?

[Gorth]

Not that I really needed any confirmation, that "anti vaxxers" suffers from one or more intellectual deficiencies... if it wasn't so sad and threatened the lives of other people I would laugh at them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-58164833

Last week, the New York Times reported that the owner of an eyewear store in the Bronx, New York, was struggling to persuade some of its staff to get a Covid vaccine, with one citing the plot of I Am Legend as a concern.

"One employee said she was concerned because she thought a vaccine had caused the characters in the film I Am Legend to turn into zombies," the report said.

Responding to the article, Akiva Goldsman, 59, who co-wrote the screenplay based on a 1954 novel of the same name, tweeted: "Oh. My. God. It's a movie. I made that up. It's. Not. Real."

[rjshae]

2 hours ago, Gorth said:

"One employee said she was concerned because she thought a vaccine had caused the characters in the film I Am Legend to turn into zombies," the report said.

Responding to the article, Akiva Goldsman, 59, who co-wrote the screenplay based on a 1954 novel of the same name, tweeted: "Oh. My. God. It's a movie. I made that up. It's. Not. Real."

That, and it was the Krippin Virus, not a vaccine. Idjits.

[Gromnir]

saw very little o' the movie. in novel the pathogen which transformed people into "vampires" were a bacteria initial spread by mosquitos. the bacteria could functional animate dead people and those were the zombified victims as it were. living folks who survived infection were vulnerable to direct sunlight and they would putrefy, turning into a ghastly puddle o' goo when exposed, but the victims were self aware and intelligent, and their vampire vulnerabilities (other than the aforementioned sunlight) were largely psychological in nature as 'posed to physiological... none o' which is relevant save for fact am disappointed so few have read the book. 

not book club fodder, but current cases per day is where we were at the end o' the first week o' november 2020, and such numbers is with recognition is summer and more people is spending non social distanced time outdoors as 'posed to indoors. am not expecting death rates to climb as dramatic as 2020, but we do expect a proportional increases, so two weeks from now am hoping am wrong in our expectation o' grim numbers once again being part of daily news cycle, save at fox. 

somehow is all gonna be fauci's fault, well, fauci and the vampire/zombie virus engineered by china now infecting americans 'cause o' all the illegal aliens flooding across the southern border. am not sure how to work conspiracies 'bout jewish space lasers into this, but if movie scripts is fair game then why not space lasers?

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[ShadySands]

Goldsman was a writer on I Am Legend? That explains some things.

[Gromnir]

16 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

Goldsman was a writer on I Am Legend? That explains some things.

am suspecting matheson, the novel's author, were not happy with goldsman. am seeming to recall matheson asking why anybody would buy movie rights just to change pivotal stuff. the point o' the title o' the book is that the main character recognizes that he has become like a monster o' legend to this new society o' vampire people which is evolving. while the vampires sleep during the day, robert neville came to them doing slaughter which would leave an indelible mark on their collective psyche long after he were dead and gone. the book vampires is intelligent and they know fear and they will remember neville as a creature outta legend the way humans o' today view vampires.

the movie version o' the i am legend creatures, as were our understanding, were much more feral than the people in the book. am suspecting it woulda' been impossible for movie robert neville to carry on a romantic relationship with one o' the vampires, yes?

am doubting it would make a difference, but maybe the owner o' the eyewear store could provide his employees with a copy o' the matheson novel. perhaps the prospect o' being turned into a bulletproof vampire and having forbidden and romantic relations with the last living person on earth wouldn't seem so terrifying, although such a fear would still be epic stoopid. one hurdle at a time, eh?

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