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It is just me, or the mad antagonist from Forgotten Sanctum is a plain hommage to the greatest CRPG villain from all times? I mean, common, both are powerfull elven wizards - masked and/or disfigured - seeking revenge and aspiring godhood. Even the voice acting tried to mimic David Warner's (and the result was quite good). Also, the background of Fyonlecg was not very clear to me. Was he working for the hand occult and then was betrayed and imprisioned? Or did he volunteered to the imprisionement without knowing the consequences? How did he escaped? He cannot be caged? Cannot be controlled?


Edited by brunachos, 31 December 2018 - 07:26 AM.


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Now I'm def getting FS!

Edited by Verde, 30 December 2018 - 03:23 PM.


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It is just me, or the mad antagonist from Forgotten Sanctum is a plain hommage to the greatest CRPG villain from all times? I mean, common, both are powerfull elven wizards - masked and/or disfigured - seeking revenge and aspiring godhood. Even the voice acting tried to mimic David Warner's (and the result was quite good). Also, the background of Fyonlecg was not very clear to me. Was he working for the hand occult and then was betrayed and imprisioned? Or did he volunteered to the imprisionement without knowing the consequences? How did he escaped? He cannot be caged? Cannot be controlled?

 

 

I appreciate the comparison, but JI didn't cross my mind during Fyonlecg's development. ;)

 

I'm not super surprised by it, though, based on the stuff that did inform Fyonlecg. If you want to peek behind the curtain, I'll put it behind spoiler tags:

 

Spoiler


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It is just me, or the mad antagonist from Forgotten Sanctum is a plain hommage to the greatest CRPG villain from all times? I mean, common, both are powerfull elven wizards - masked and/or disfigured - seeking revenge and aspiring godhood. Even the voice acting tried to mimic David Warner's (and the result was quite good). Also, the background of Fyonlecg was not very clear to me. Was he working for the hand occult and then was betrayed and imprisioned? Or did he volunteered to the imprisionement without knowing the consequences? How did he escaped? He cannot be caged? Cannot be controlled?

 

 

I appreciate the comparison, but JI didn't cross my mind during Fyonlecg's development. ;)

 

I'm not super surprised by it, though, based on the stuff that did inform Fyonlecg. If you want to peek behind the curtain, I'll put it behind spoiler tags:

 

Spoiler

 

Thanks, that was very informative. Never gave tought to the Aloth point. Maybe because yes, I roleplay as an elven wizard, from the White that Wends. A very evil and powerlust fiend, that gave this Aloth fella to a pool of blood in exange for power a long loong deal ago. :biggrin: 


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Thanks, that was very informative. Never gave tought to the Aloth point. Maybe because yes, I roleplay as an elven wizard, from the White that Wends. A very evil and powerlust fiend, that gave this Aloth fella to a pool of blood in exange for power a long loong deal ago. :biggrin:

 

Correct call, I'd say.  :fdevil:



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I love Fyonlecg! My favourite touch is him claiming he invented a bunch of spells that don't have a "name credit" in the game, like Wall Of Flame. Is he lying, does he have false memories, or is the Hand Occult really powerful enough to erase an archmage from the world? It's a spooky thought!

His facial appearance felt very appropriate, like he's half-blinded himself in pursuit of sight. Feels like a continuation of the first game's theme of "if you find what you're looking for there will be consequences"

On a more personal note, I like his reaction to finding out the gods are fake. I'm happy that you can talk about this with Ydwin and Fassina, but they're so blasé about it(imo anyway, I think that reveal turns the gods from a primal force of nature to an institution which only has power because it was given power and has no legitimate claim to it). I like that Fyonlecg found out about it and got mad.

Edited by house2fly, 30 December 2018 - 07:19 PM.

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Oh, re his story:

He was an archmage who joined the Hand Occult, and eventually became Weyc(basically the boss, I think?) At this point he discovered the truth of the gods, and presumably started acting up. He was imprisoned, and eventually escaped, and usurped the Oracle (who was a sort of ascended form of the original Weyc, I think?) and evidently is planning to continue acting up.

Was he "erased" after joining the Hand, becoming Weyc, or being imprisoned? I think probably the latter, but I don't believe there's a definitive answer either way

Edited by house2fly, 30 December 2018 - 07:34 PM.


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It is just me, or the mad antagonist from Forgotten Sanctum is a plain hommage to the greatest CRPG villain from all times?

No, I can’t see many similarities between Fyonlecg and The Transcendent One.


;)

Edited by Wormerine, 31 December 2018 - 01:55 AM.


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Also how do you pronounce Fy-on-leckt?

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 to the greatest CRPG villain from all times? 

 

...wot?

 

Well, I guess if you're really  into ham and cheese... :shrugz:


Edited by bugarup, 31 December 2018 - 05:12 AM.

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It is just me, or the mad antagonist from Forgotten Sanctum is a plain hommage to the greatest CRPG villain from all times?

No, I can’t see many similarities between Fyonlecg and The Transcendent One.


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Preposterous! ARISE, VHAILOR, A GREAT INJUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE!



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Also how do you pronounce Fy-on-leckt?

 

FEE (like what a bank charges) - on (like being atop something) - ledge (like being where the roof ends)

 

As a note, he will always say his name during the player's first conversation with him, regardless of where he is or what the player chooses, specifically because it's kind of weird. 


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Also how do you pronounce Fy-on-leckt?


FEE (like what a bank charges) - on (like being atop something) - ledge (like being where the roof ends)

As a note, he will always say his name during the player's first conversation with him, regardless of where he is or what the player chooses, specifically because it's kind of weird.

Thank you sir.

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I just remembered that there was a book on pronunciation of Eld Aedyran names somewhere at the Temple of Revelations. I guess, it might be considered a hint to Fyonlecg's age and background.



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I just remembered that there was a book on pronunciation of Eld Aedyran names somewhere at the Temple of Revelations. I guess, it might be considered a hint to Fyonlecg's age and background.

 

I wouldn't read TOO far into that. He's from Aedyr, and Aedyran names tend to be based in Eld Aedyran.



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It is just me, or the mad antagonist from Forgotten Sanctum is a plain hommage to the greatest CRPG villain from all times? I mean, common, both are powerfull elven wizards - masked and/or disfigured - seeking revenge and aspiring godhood. Even the voice acting tried to mimic David Warner's (and the result was quite good). Also, the background of Fyonlecg was not very clear to me. Was he working for the hand occult and then was betrayed and imprisioned? Or did he volunteered to the imprisionement without knowing the consequences? How did he escaped? He cannot be caged? Cannot be controlled?

You just basically described every bad guy in every videogame ever though. lol.

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I just remembered that there was a book on pronunciation of Eld Aedyran names somewhere at the Temple of Revelations. I guess, it might be considered a hint to Fyonlecg's age and background.

 

I wouldn't read TOO far into that. He's from Aedyr, and Aedyran names tend to be based in Eld Aedyran.

 

iirc he mentions having known(or known of) Maerwald, so while as an elf he certainly could be a couple of hundred years old, he presumably hasn't been imprisoned for more than 10 or so


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Is it only me who finds it odd that Deadfire insists that our knowledge regarding identity of Gods is irrelevant, while Fyonlecg gets imprisoned and partially erased for discovering the very same thing? 

 

Overal, there is an odd shift regarding Gods importance between game 1 and 2. In PoE1 God's status was clearly established with shrines and churches in every major location and characters actively pursuing God's favours. In Deadfire everyone seems an atheist. Well, that's not entirely true, Huana have a lot of shrines dedicated to gods and reference them often, however it does seem more of a "tradition" than actual belief (aka. I know said god listens and react). I wonder if it is because of Dyrwood recent encounter with Eothas and overal miserable situation that made the religion so importnat for everyone. Still, somewhat surprised how not impressed everyone is by Eothas marching through the Achipelago. 



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Fyonlecg took action in response to what he found out, and presumably as Weyc of the Hand Occult he was in a position to have a much bigger impact than some minor noble in the countryside

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Fyonlecg took action in response to what he found out, and presumably as Weyc of the Hand Occult he was in a position to have a much bigger impact than some minor noble in the countryside


Did he? Must have missed it when binging FS before Christmas. Ha! Hoping for some bugs to be fixed, so I can resume my Deadfire playthrough.




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