For the cheap shots..

 

 

while technically correct, it disregards a simple but important fact: cultural compatibility.

why the one time it didn't work... it didn't work? because you had a local population that was living a completely different life with a completely different set of rules and values and a complete lack of the concept of land ownership, borders and war compared to those who came. and those who came brought along a culture that could not coexist with the local culture  so one of them eventually had to go... and as is the human way of making the choice, one of them was wiped out violently for the other to become dominant (and having an expansonistic policy about that culture and religion was also a major motive).

many of the so called refugees of the past were people of european descent so they had much in common with the locals of USA who are also mainly of european descent so there were few excuses for clashes. east asians on the other hand, while proud of their culture, were secretive with it and tried to keep it out of sight of gwailos. that secrecy was also the reason for them not having expansionistic tendencies that would cause a clash.

and coming to today, we have a large mass of people who follow an incompatible and highly expansionistic culture coming to the west. i wonder what part of history this makes people remember.

Yeah, but smallpox sucked too.

Yeah, but smallpox sucked too.

 

So did bubonic plague.

we have a large mass of people who follow an incompatible and highly expansionistic culture coming to the west. i wonder what part of history this makes people remember.

Highly expansionistic is really a matter of opinion though. I doubt the refugee caravans fleeing Central and South America, or the refugees fleeing Syria and Iraq, see it as some new colonial era. They just want to get away from the bombs, the violence, and the starvation.

 

Not haha funny, maybe better for the political thread.

"complete lack of the concept of land ownership, borders and war compared to those who came."

 

Huh? Tribes fought each other all teht ime. It including wholesale wiping or subsuming others. And, they certainly had a  concept of 'land ownerhsip'.

 

People continue to live in LaLaLand where Native tribes lived in total harmony with no violence or issues until the European showed up.

 

COME ON.

 

 

That disrespects them as human beings. All humans love to infict violence against others not of their chosen 'group'.

 

 

 

"Highly expansionistic is really a matter of opinion though. I doubt the refugee caravans fleeing Central and South America, or the refugees fleeing Syria and Iraq, see it as some new colonial era. They just want to get away from the bombs, the violence, and the starvation.

Not haha funny, maybe better for the political thread.       "

 

It is what happens when you lvie in ****hole countries.

 

And, don't blame Western countries. Afterall, fi Western countries were so evil and full of hatred, racism, and Nazism, why do all these refguess love moving to  Western - white majority - countries?

 

mayhaps the US ain't as bad as many claim. At least it is better than the ****holes they are fleeing.   

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we have a large mass of people who follow an incompatible and highly expansionistic culture coming to the west. i wonder what part of history this makes people remember.

Highly expansionistic is really a matter of opinion though. I doubt the refugee caravans fleeing Central and South America, or the refugees fleeing Syria and Iraq, see it as some new colonial era. They just want to get away from the bombs, the violence, and the starvation.

 

Not haha funny, maybe better for the political thread.

 

Seeing as there's a growing overlap we might consider merging the two.

The Political Thread - More Funny than never edition.

"complete lack of the concept of land ownership, borders and war compared to those who came."

 

Huh? Tribes fought each other all teht ime. It including wholesale wiping or subsuming others. And, they certainly had a  concept of 'land ownerhsip'.

 

People continue to live in LaLaLand where Native tribes lived in total harmony with no violence or issues until the European showed up.

 

COME ON.

 

 

That disrespects them as human beings. All humans love to infict violence against others not of their chosen 'group'.

 

 

 

"Highly expansionistic is really a matter of opinion though. I doubt the refugee caravans fleeing Central and South America, or the refugees fleeing Syria and Iraq, see it as some new colonial era. They just want to get away from the bombs, the violence, and the starvation.

 

Not haha funny, maybe better for the political thread.       "

 

It is what happens when you lvie in ****hole countries.

 

And, don't blame Western countries. Afterall, fi Western countries were so evil and full of hatred, racism, and Nazism, why do all these refguess love moving to  Western - white majority - countries?

 

mayhaps the US ain't as bad as many claim. At least it is better than the ****holes they are fleeing.   

i didn't say anything about harmony, i said their concept of war was different not that they didn't have wars. and pretty much all tribes in north america were nomadic so they didn't have any established borders marking a land that was under their exclusive ownership.

 

as it is common, i talk about the culture/religion as a concept and those who are at the top calling the shots and i get a response about the plebs at the bottom who wouldn't give half a dime about any of it if those high up didn't coerce them to. 

"i didn't say anything about harmony, i said their concept of war was different not that they didn't have wars. and pretty much all tribes in north america were nomadic so they didn't have any established borders marking a land that was under their exclusive ownership."

 

'Nomadic' to a degree but they certainly had  pretty clear 'tribal borders' which is why conflict occurred. You also still hear about it when certain  tribes claim certain areas and sue/request the gov't to give them/let them keep 'ownership' of certain land.

 

Of course their concept of 'war' was different, they didn't have the advanced weaponary. But, as soon as they had access to it they certainly didn't refuse it.  They loved their guns as much as anyone. And, you claimed they 'lacked the concvept of war, land, etc.'.  They did not. It may have been slightly different but they certainly didn't lack the concept of war. COME ON.

 

 

Anyways, someone link something funny. :D

"i didn't say anything about harmony, i said their concept of war was different not that they didn't have wars. and pretty much all tribes in north america were nomadic so they didn't have any established borders marking a land that was under their exclusive ownership."

 

'Nomadic' to a degree but they certainly had  pretty clear 'tribal borders' which is why conflict occurred. You also still hear about it when certain  tribes claim certain areas and sue/request the gov't to give them/let them keep 'ownership' of certain land.

 

Of course their concept of 'war' was different, they didn't have the advanced weaponary. But, as soon as they had access to it they certainly didn't refuse it.  They loved their guns as much as anyone. And, you claimed they 'lacked the concvept of war, land, etc.'.  They did not. It may have been slightly different but they certainly didn't lack the concept of war. COME ON.

 

 

Anyways, someone link something funny. :D

yeah, i worded my initial post poorly.