Paladin/berserker weapon choice

[superior987]

I’m debating either going dw aiming towards using magrans favor for FOD, or 2h for Amra, since frenzy should make hitting 25 might trivial. Any idea how the power levels to fire compares to the extra carnage effect from Amra dps-wise?

[mant2si]

I’m debating either going dw aiming towards using magrans favor for FOD, or 2h for Amra, since frenzy should make hitting 25 might trivial. Any idea how the power levels to fire compares to the extra carnage effect from Amra dps-wise?

Amra don't stack with carnage

Edited September 12, 2018 by mant2si

[superior987]

Well...crap

 

Does the Amra effect just not proc for barbarians or does it overwrite carnage? Seems like neither one of those makes much sense

Edited September 12, 2018 by superior987

[Theosupus]

With amra equiped:

 

Your normal hits/crits proc carnage
Crits from the main attack also proc amra

amra proc doesn't proc carnage

carnage crits do not proc amra

 

So it works fine together

 

Side note: If you are confused amra procs hit you too.

Edited September 12, 2018 by Theosupus

[superior987]

Oh ok, that’s what I thought would happen. Thanks!

[Boeroer]

 

I’m debating either going dw aiming towards using magrans favor for FOD, or 2h for Amra, since frenzy should make hitting 25 might trivial. Any idea how the power levels to fire compares to the extra carnage effect from Amra dps-wise?

Amra don't stack with carnage

Of course they stack. They just don't trigger each other (like it should be).

[Haplok]

Mant2si probably meant Amra Frenzy and Barb Frenzy don't stack. Which is true enough. But not really a problem, since you don't want to wait for a 25% chance on kill to start triggering Amra's more important bonuses anyway. Amra Frenzy is better for non-Barbarians who then can sometimes enjoy Frenzy speed boost.

Make sure to enchant Amra with slay 50 HP enemies effect. Even though your character won't have Cleaving Stance to take most advantage of it, you still want to deliver killing blows to trigger Bloodlust and later Blood Thirst.

 

Power levels to Fire probably translates to +10-20% damage and +2 Accuracy on FoD attacks only. Amra will trigger aoe damage with each crit. So apples and oranges, kinda. FoD is single target, Amra provides aoe capability.

Generally I like rogue multiclasses for weapons which proc special effects, such as Amra, because usually their significant sneak attack bonuses is also also added.

 

Btw, you do realize that Magran's Favor is one handed but Amra is two-handed?

Edited September 13, 2018 by Haplok

[M4xw0lf]

Sorry to interrupt, bu what is this Amra?

[Haplok]

Amra is the new two-handed battleaxe which has a chance to Frenzy on kill and when your Might is 25 or more, it triggers aoe damage on crit (25% of the base damage, but modified by might, weapon quality, sneak attack etc.). It can also be enchanted to slay low hp enemies in aoe with this crit effect (or to increase aoe damage to 33%).

Edited September 13, 2018 by Haplok

[Manveru123]

 

Side note: If you are confused amra procs hit you too.

Pokemon taught us that when you're confused, you're supposed to hit yourself in the face. Sounds legit.

[superior987]

Yup, dual wield vs 2h is the other part of the equation.  I guess since respecs are pretty cheap, I might as well try both and see which one I prefer.  I realize I've created a bit of a nonbo with the FOD heal and confusion, but DoC breastplate and Modwyr are both pretty early and there are plenty of spells/drugs.

[Haplok]

Not to mention Paladin's passive Mental Fortress ability.

Edited September 13, 2018 by Haplok

[superior987]

So many options! I generally like DoC for the extra resources, but I’ve had bad luck getting the enchant materials before

[Haplok]

Herbalist at Neketaka Periki Overlook stocks all you need. Hmm.. or is amber needed? If so, you can buy it in Dunnage (or find it in the wild).

Edited September 13, 2018 by Haplok

[mant2si]

On release you can get only one of those two source of damage, when Amra proc you will get info that one of those effect suppressed  by another one, you will get same message if you multi-proc carnage with monk passives in summary you can get slash OR raw damage but not both

Edited September 13, 2018 by mant2si

[Haplok]

Really? Wow, that's a kick in the Barbarian's balls...

[superior987]

Man, that seems crazy.  If there's minimal point to using it on a barb then (although I'm sure the insta kill low health enemies is still pretty nice), does something like a paladin/helwalker make more sense?  Still has an easy way to get the 25 might and the AOE would just be gravy.  Kinda seems like monks are also aimed more at dual wielding though - only having one chance to crit on stunning surge seems sad.

[Theosupus]

I have carnage and Wanton Gore hitting; just not chaining off of each other.

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2018 by Theosupus

[mant2si]

I have carnage and Wanton Gore hitting; just not chaining off of each other.

You need to check damage roll with shift button, as I wrote they both proc but one of them will be suppressed

[Theosupus]

 

I have carnage and Wanton Gore hitting; just not chaining off of each other.

You need to check damage roll with shift button, as I wrote they both proc but one of them will be suppressed

 

Neither say suppressed in the shift window where would that show?

 

 

I did the 19 and the 14; I saw the damage text rise too (didn't SS in time though).

Edited September 13, 2018 by Theosupus

[mant2si]

 

 

I have carnage and Wanton Gore hitting; just not chaining off of each other.

You need to check damage roll with shift button, as I wrote they both proc but one of them will be suppressed

 

Neither say suppressed in the shift window where would that show?

 

wanton gore.jpg

more gore.jpg

 

Yes, yes, you right, but not only that They something change and now Amra can crit and proc Blood Storm and interrupt on crit  So Amra is very good weapon for Paladin/Berserker 

Edited September 13, 2018 by mant2si

[Theosupus]

Yes, yes, you right, but not only that They something change and now Amra can crit and proc Blood Storm and interrupt on crit  So Amra is very good weapon for Paladin/Berserker 

 

 

 

I assume you are being sarcastic but have yet to show any evidence that carnage and wanton gore suppresses one another.  I have seen the opposite in the few tests I've run. 

[mant2si]

 

Yes, yes, you right, but not only that They something change and now Amra can crit and proc Blood Storm and interrupt on crit  So Amra is very good weapon for Paladin/Berserker 

 

 

 

I assume you are being sarcastic but have yet to show any evidence that carnage and wanton gore suppresses one another.  I have seen the opposite in the few tests I've run. 

 

I tested Amra only on release and it works exactly as Carnage, but its look like they something change, now it give +15 acc from weapon, even in this thread @mossit write that he can't make work AOE with Monk https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/105427-v21-unique-items/

[Haplok]

I'd rather include a rogue for the sneak attack bonus.... And maybe fighter for crit chance. Or Berserk, but he's much more squishy when surrounded.

[Theosupus]

posted in wrong thread. stupid mobile version

Edited September 13, 2018 by Theosupus