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Good luck trying to divert attention away from the perpetual Trump three-ring circus.
 
Anyway, my mom's fluent in Swedish so she was telling me yesterday that it's rather appalling -if unsurprising- how the media are narrating this. I mean, Sweden Democrats are actually left-wing when it comes to economics, favoring the current Swedish welfare state and all, it's just immigration and its ramifications they are raising a huge stink about. Rather than their rise, it's the Social Democrats huge fall that's remarkable.
 
I can't read Swedish myself so of course I'm interested in your take.

 

Yeah, that would be really interesting. For all the translations I could find they seem to espouse the same sort of policies that the other parties of the ECR do just with a more xenophobic bent. From what I could gather from online sources they're all for sweeping tax cuts (including, but not limited to inheritance tax and taxes related to capital investment) that should be financed by cutting financial support for immigrants.
 
If they want to keep the welfare state as it is but simply reduce the inarguably massive immigration to Sweden and manage to finance tax cuts with the savings then more power to them. Lucky Sweden. But it sure reads like every other conservative program on the surface. I've seen parties (well technically the same just in different iterations after internal schizms) with such promises rise to power twice here, and while that's not fully comparable the promised welfare cuts for immigrants just ended up being welfare cuts for everyone, merely in areas associated mostly with immigration, i.e. child support and needs based minimum income - both of which are still paid out by far and large to natives and EU member state citizens.
 
But we'll see, I guess. Maybe Sweden can become a model state again. :)

 

Haha! Yeah, diverting attention is not going to happen :)

SD is very much in the clouds when it comes to economics, their financial minister has trouble distinguishing between millions and billions, so...
 
In actuality their politics is right leaning, not only talking about their immigration views, but also their tax proposals. From digging around they want to give tax reductions to people earning 11k USD per month, nothing for people making less than 7k. (Average wage for cashiers in Sweden is at about 2500$)
 
They want to keep privatizing healthcare, they don't want to impose any form of limit on how much private healthcare providers can take as winnings (Private healthcare providers are still state funded)
 
They want to cut municipality fundings by 6 billion$ (~10% of the total budget), which rhymes badly with them wanting to improve care for the elderly and better schools...
 
That's just a few picks from why SD isn't in any way for the average people.
 
The media just goes on and on and on about SDs anti immigration policies because it's easilly attacked. If they'd done their actual jobs and shone a light on their other ideas people might have been better informed. So if they were to drop their anti immigration policies, SD would essentially be the Moderate Party, with clueless politicians.

 

The fall of the social democrats is no surprise really. The past years they haven't had a majority so they haven't gotten many of their ideas through, which leads to them looking like they won't keep their word and people losing faith in them. No wonder really.


Edited by Azdeus, 10 September 2018 - 01:03 PM.

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Figured as much. Meh. Thanks for the heads up. :)



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Figured as much. Meh. Thanks for the heads up. :)

 

Wish I could give you more, but I've got a heavy workday behind me and worse ahead of me. :)



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The results of the Swedish elections for those that want a break from the Trump News thread.

 

https://www.aftonbladet.se/a/0EyBX0

 

huh.  swedish elections is a bit different than we expected.


 

kinda disappointing.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

I actually consider this a supreme form of election, atleast we would know that the people that are up for election really want to be there, and not just for the easy money. :)

 

It would also motivate politicians to keep investing in healthcare and social security. Kind of hard to work when your arm has been cut off.

 

sounds crazy, but wouldn't be any worse than most current systems.  perhaps have candidates face a 50/50 chance o' either hand-to-hand combat or chess, with death being the result for the loser in either case.  would almost necessarily get smart, dangerous and complete committed candidates.  

 

HA! Good Fun!



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The results of the Swedish elections for those that want a break from the Trump News thread.

 

https://www.aftonbladet.se/a/0EyBX0

 

huh.  swedish elections is a bit different than we expected.


 

kinda disappointing.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

I actually consider this a supreme form of election, atleast we would know that the people that are up for election really want to be there, and not just for the easy money. :)

 

It would also motivate politicians to keep investing in healthcare and social security. Kind of hard to work when your arm has been cut off.

 

sounds crazy, but wouldn't be any worse than most current systems.  perhaps have candidates face a 50/50 chance o' either hand-to-hand combat or chess, with death being the result for the loser in either case.  would almost necessarily get smart, dangerous and complete committed candidates.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

How about Chess Boxing?

 

chessboxing06.jpg

 

And to top it all off in the comic...

 

Spoiler


Edited by Agiel, 10 September 2018 - 08:57 PM.

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The results of the Swedish elections for those that want a break from the Trump News thread.

 

https://www.aftonbladet.se/a/0EyBX0

 

huh.  swedish elections is a bit different than we expected.


 

kinda disappointing.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

I actually consider this a supreme form of election, atleast we would know that the people that are up for election really want to be there, and not just for the easy money. :)

 

It would also motivate politicians to keep investing in healthcare and social security. Kind of hard to work when your arm has been cut off.

 

sounds crazy, but wouldn't be any worse than most current systems.  perhaps have candidates face a 50/50 chance o' either hand-to-hand combat or chess, with death being the result for the loser in either case.  would almost necessarily get smart, dangerous and complete committed candidates.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

How about Chess Boxing?

 

image

 

And to top it all off in the comic...

 

Spoiler

 

 

had no idea... but admitted, we were never a big wu-tang clan fan.

 

 

strains credulity to take the endeavor serious, but would be hard to imagine a more impressive adversary, political or otherwise, than some kinda amalgam o' paul morphy + muhammad ali.  

 

HA! Good Fun!



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sounds crazy, but wouldn't be any worse than most current systems.  perhaps have candidates face a 50/50 chance o' either hand-to-hand combat or chess, with death being the result for the loser in either case.  would almost necessarily get smart, dangerous and complete committed candidates.  
 
HA! Good Fun!

Ohh, or why not Battle Chess, party against party?

... I think we're onto a winning concept here!



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Shiny new thread here!
 

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