Hiro Protagonist

So do you accept there are good trolls? Maybe I am misreading the map, but I don't think at this point he, I and most of the rest, regardless of our positions care about this topic. But for the sake of the discussion, this my last shot at any contribution here and even tough it is blunt, I hope it will received as constructive. You obviously care to continue with it. Using retard is not a good example and as I said only works against you. And you're now saying a good troll is still a troll? As in a good retard is still a retard. Thank you very much because some people don't accept that a good troll is still a troll, and are trying to call it something else. eg. satire. This is something we can agree on. And with the Leeroy Jenkins troll thread. I do find it hard to believe someone could be offended by it.

Strangely enough one of the parts of SGU I did remember before watching it again were the descendants. I didn't realise that was near the end of Season 2. And as you said, just when it was getting interesting, the drones come back. And yes, the gates only being able to dial a short distance didn't make sense.

Finished SGU. Realised while watching Season 2, I vaguely remembered all the episodes.

So do you accept there are good trolls?

Also, is alan still being evasive and ignoring my questions?

That's an awful lot of times you felt you needed to affirm us that you are absolutely, completely, utterly impartial and objective in this debate In fact I would that argue that someone who insists he is being unquestionably objective so much doesn't have the intention of being truly objective uh no. You'd rather take the stance that all trolls are made by horrible people? That you don't consider the possibility that there are good trolls? I don't think that's a good quality to have.

I don't see how I'm being defensive about the characterisation of what a Troll means. And I'm certainly not feeling guilty about something. I'm simply taking an objective view of what a troll is and can do. I'm of the view that you can have both good and bad trolls. That a troll can create a good troll thread on a forum. Do you have a problem with someone having an objective view of what a troll is? Because that's what I'm trying to do. You seem to be taking issue with this objective stance I'm taking and wrapping it up as being an apologist for trolls in general and feeling guilty about something.

Considering you haven't shown what definition you're using in this thread, it's a little disingenuous to cite a definition and not share it with the people in this thread. Where did anyone say "why can't you just believe for a moment that there is good trolling?" I did a quick search through this thread and couldn't find who said that. Also, who has said you should have faith that good trolling exists? This reeks of a straw-man tactic. Considering I've cited one example of a troll thread on the WoW forums, do you accept there is good trolling?

I don't see anyone changing the definitions except for you and others who will wrap up a good troll up as something other than a troll. Are you compromising on a good troll? Because I already posted a good troll with Leeroy Jenkins. At least one person in this thread has changed their stance that there can be good trolls. I wasn't going to let you off so easily. Interesting that you now deleted what you said in your post. And I already responded to Alan's post. Perhaps you should read it? And no problem with me growing a thicker skin. I'm not easily offended as others, especially others who are easily offended in this very thread.

Thanks. Your comment seems to fit the below definition. Trolling. : A Troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[

No, for the sake of argument, I won't call them retards. Changing the definition of troll to retard to suit your viewpoint doesn't help your case. Your definition works against you, not for you. Also, clearly you don't know what I mean by religious debate. And it has nothing to do with religion.

Considering the Leeroy Jenkins thread is a troll thread on the WoW forums and it's what I was alluding to, it would take a lot to argue that it was an inflammatory troll to upset people. It certainly isn't satire. I don't see the creation of the Leeroy Jenkins thread on the WoW forums as subjective as 'what is art'. It was a troll thread created to troll the forums. And it's entered pop culture because of it. Was it inflammatory? Did it upset people? Did it disrupt the WoW forums? Was it a deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response? I would answer No to the first one. I couldn't say for the second question because people react differently and I wouldn't know everybody's response and reactions to the thread. And the last two questions, I would answer with a Yes in a good way.

It communicates intent but not language. Which is why when someone speaks aggressively I listen more to their feelings than their words. There is also passive aggressive as well. Words like 'fine' come across as sulking and withdrawing from arguments which are some strategies of the passive aggressive person. Similarly, the words 'fair enough' can be used when you agree partially and is not the same as 'okay'. To quote from Chambers: 'Expressing acceptance, though not necessarily full agreement'.

One thing I've learnt from this thread is you can give an example of a good troll (thread), even to the point that it's entered pop culture. Even with this evidence shown that a good troll does exist, that some people still believe they don't. It's getting close to a religious debate (if it hasn't got there already) where some people choose not to accept evidence shown to them, accept that a good troll does exist with evidence shown and continue believing their own viewpoint that a good troll doesn't exist.

I'm a huge fan of stuff from the late 80s and 90s. I've decided to go back and read all my FR and Ravenloft books from that time. It'd be good if they could do some good adaptions with TV shows or movies but it's never translated well. LotR and GoT has shown you can do it.

Never knew there was a Dragonlance movie. I've seen the three D&D films though.

Thor - The Dark World. Finally got around to see it and enjoyed it.

I agree with Nonek and KaineParker's posts amuse me as well.

That's good to know, I also have never felt that. But of course we both are white, heterosexual males who have never really been on the receiving end of the type of discrimination I am talking about that can and does impact the dignity of person. While I'm white and heterosexual, I and many others I know in real life have been on the receiving end of the type of discrimination you are talking about that does not impact on our dignity as a person.

Sorry, that wasn't the impression I intended to give. I have no qualms with linear games, just qualms with games pretending to be nonlinear, giving me the finger, than throwing me down a single path. As I said, I don't mind that. I don't mind there being a big bad guy at the end (Sarevok, Irenicus, etc) and choosing different ways to get to the end. Choosing to decide to do certain side quests or not. But it looks like I'm in the minority.

Who said she should be exempt? I was commenting on the severity of the sentence. Sure give her punishment of some sort, but 3 years jail?

I've travelled to quite a few countries. Also, actual repression doesn't happen in Western countries. Okay.

Except for the arrests of journalists and perhaps the immigrants, all the other points sounds like a lot of Western countries.

Decided to go back read some Forgotten Realms novels. Really enjoyed them back in the early 90s and still find them enjoyable.

An update on this post. The 84 year old Nun was sentenced to 3 years in jail. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/18/us-usa-security-nuclear-idUSBREA1H0SS20140218 Good to know this dangerous radical is off the streets and serving time. Justice and the law, keeping society safe. :/