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That is one of the nicest things I've ever heard anyone say about Britian. Really. As far as I'm aware, and I could be mistake, we don't have jay walking over here. If we do, no one pays any attention to it, ever. Even the cops do it. As far as I recall, we've never been taught in school not to 'jay walk'. In fact, I only heard the term when I was in the US/Canada. I find it absurd that anyone would fine you for something as simple as crossing a road. Admittely, yours are a lot bigger though. Jay Walking is perfectly legal in the UK. They don't teach people not to jay walk, more how to cross a road. Now in America... Well, you're obviously not trusted with walking across a road. Perhaps it's too complex a task for the average american, I dunno.

What so basically in the same game engine?

In that case... I thank ye kindly.

Meta... I know all this.

Might I suggest, based on the "I hate controllers" statement, that your evaluation of the interface on the PC versus the X-Box version might have a moderate to significant bias? I don't enjoy playing games on a controller, never have never will, I work with an XBOX controller every damn day so it's certainly not due to lack of skill, I just genuinely found the experiences more comfortable upon a keyboard. That's doesn't mean it'll go for everyone. Then is it worth mentioning what you're seeing as being a credible source? It's not is it. Hey I'll buy a port for a game if I don't own it, I don't see much point in grabbing a port of a game i already own tho' that's just bizzare.

Halo PC is one of the (two) grudges I have against Gearbox. Two new superweapons added to multiplayer. I do kind of like the rocket warthog, though. The PC version of Halo only enforced the truth about the game, in that it is a steaming turd of a game. Or that you just don't have friends aka co-op. The single-player is stupid, and so is anyone who actually rates the game by it. Co-op+couch+beverages=instawin. 9 of use played in the office we all walked away shaking our heads.

A bunch of classic Amiga MOD's, like the Alien breed theme and rtype.

Halo PC is one of the (two) grudges I have against Gearbox. Two new superweapons added to multiplayer. I do kind of like the rocket warthog, though. The PC version of Halo only enforced the truth about the game, in that it is a steaming turd of a game.

A prime example of your Vological philosophy towards gaming, I only WISH i could have such a deep understanding of gaming like you volo.

How strange I find that the PC version feels alot better for me, a hell of alot better the control method is clear, it's intuitive. Then again I hate controllers. Another odd one... Not only does the game look better on my PC, but the game looks better than the cutscenes. Kinda silly to buy the PC version if you have played and finished the XBOX version, or even own it. Why buy a port of something you already own? (General question to everyone)

mmmm supersuckers. Good ****!

At home and at work

*waiting on files* and instructions

That's without even mentioning anything about his serious lack of knowledge in regards to programming, especially in regards to natural language parsers and such.

I believe I can do that for you, I just need pointing in the direction of an ASCII wok && some direction to a binary file. I will post when I have some success. You can send any file to me at n0408494 AT hud DOT ac DOT uk

I don't like what little I read.

Okay well that makes some sense to me, could you link me to the Kotor tool so I could use that, and some instruction on how to get my hands on 001EBO - KotOR II I own a copy of KOTOR II, so I should be able to get it from that, then I shall take a closer look. I can tell you some information in regards to what the tools output means. Verts: 42 55.2051 69.3662 4.5000 50.7696 59.1238 4.5000 50.9000 59.3600 1.8000 50.7698 60.3699 4.5000 50.9000 60.3531 1.8000 51.5893 65.2639 4.5000 51.5893 65.2639 1.8000 54.9255 67.2800 4.5000 55.0189 67.2800 1.8000 55.1934 67.7026 4.5000 55.3906 67.7026 1.8000 55.3487 69.0800 1.8000 56.1954 59.1206 4.5000 56.1792 59.3600 1.8000 57.7405 64.8669 4.5000 57.7242 64.8670 1.8000 57.4699 67.8778 4.5000 57.4537 67.8789 1.8000 57.4700 69.3500 4.5000 57.4538 69.0537 1.8000 50.9000 63.9374 1.8000 50.9000 61.2523 1.8000 50.7700 61.2523 4.5000 50.6841 63.9374 4.5000 55.9611 63.6177 1.8000 56.0281 68.1751 1.8000 56.6950 68.1629 1.8000 51.2950 61.2570 1.8000 51.3885 60.8468 1.8000 51.2930 63.9006 1.8000 51.2930 63.9006 4.6149 51.3950 61.1560 4.6149 51.3885 60.8468 4.6149 51.3704 63.9959 4.6069 51.3719 64.0027 1.8000 51.3950 61.1560 1.8000 51.2950 61.2572 4.5962 52.1382 60.7067 1.8000 52.5925 60.8227 1.8000 51.8072 59.3600 1.8000 53.5137 59.3600 1.8000 55.9773 63.6176 4.5000 These represent coordinates XYZ atleast I assume as much, it would the sensible conclusion, but I'm not 100% certain, but I'd say asmuch from all I know. Faces: 62 15 17 8 10 8 17 20 21 29 24 15 8 34 24 6 35 37 38 17 25 10 17 26 25 2 28 4 40 13 38 29 21 27 38 24 34 35 38 34 37 35 28 2 37 28 2 39 37 13 24 38 27 34 29 8 6 24 35 34 27 3 1 4 2 4 1 7 5 8 6 8 5 9 7 10 8 10 7 0 9 11 10 11 9 14 16 17 17 15 14 16 18 19 19 17 16 12 13 1 17 19 26 0 11 18 19 18 11 11 26 19 40 38 39 2 1 39 37 39 38 11 10 25 11 25 26 29 33 30 20 29 30 30 23 20 27 21 22 22 36 27 4 28 32 32 3 4 28 35 31 31 32 28 29 34 33 34 5 33 35 27 31 36 31 27 39 1 40 40 1 13 6 5 34 41 14 15 15 24 41 12 41 24 24 13 12 These reprsent the triangles the numbers referance the vert positions, atleast that what's they appear to be. To be certain of this assumption, I'm going to plug these numbers into a program I've written that basically will display a 3D representation of the data, as a mesh. I'll post a picture when I'm done, then you can tell me if it's anything like what it should be as I assume you've seen the level which this is from. Walk Types: 62 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 10 (Metal) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) 7 (Non-walk) This is most likely the property of each face it may be in regards to sound or texture... I'm unsure what exactly they're used for, but they represent the property of each poly's face. AABB Nodes: 123 50.6741 59.1106 1.7900 57.7506 69.3763 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 64.0128 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.8173 64.0128 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.8173 61.1661 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.8173 60.8569 4.5101 -1 50.8900 59.3500 1.7900 51.3986 60.8569 1.8101 8 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.8173 60.3632 4.5101 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.8173 59.3701 4.5101 38 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 50.9101 60.3632 4.5101 21 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.4051 61.1661 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 51.3986 60.8569 4.6250 -1 50.8900 60.3431 1.7900 51.3986 60.8569 4.6250 47 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 50.9101 60.3800 4.5101 20 50.7598 60.3431 1.7900 51.4051 61.1661 4.6250 -1 50.7598 60.3431 1.7900 51.3986 60.8569 4.6250 48 51.3785 60.8368 1.7900 51.4051 61.1661 4.6250 50 50.7600 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 64.0128 4.6250 -1 50.7600 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 61.2673 4.6250 -1 50.7600 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 61.2671 4.6250 -1 50.7600 61.2423 1.7900 51.3051 61.2671 4.5101 45 51.2850 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 61.2671 4.6250 53 50.7600 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 61.2673 4.6250 -1 50.7600 61.2423 1.7900 51.3051 61.2673 4.6063 46 51.2850 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 61.2673 4.6250 54 50.8900 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 64.0128 1.8101 -1 50.8900 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 64.0128 1.8101 -1 50.8900 61.2423 1.7900 51.3051 63.9107 1.8101 10 51.2850 61.1460 1.7900 51.4051 64.0128 1.8101 19 50.8900 61.2423 1.7900 51.3820 64.0128 1.8101 -1 50.8900 61.2423 1.7900 51.3031 63.9475 1.8101 2 51.2830 61.2470 1.7900 51.3820 64.0128 1.8101 17 50.7596 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 64.0128 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 53.5237 64.0128 4.6250 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 53.5237 60.8569 4.5101 -1 50.8900 59.3500 1.7900 52.1483 60.8569 1.8101 -1 50.8900 59.3500 1.7900 52.1483 60.7168 1.8101 15 50.8900 59.3500 1.7900 52.1483 60.8569 1.8101 14 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 53.5237 60.8328 4.5101 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 53.5237 59.3701 4.5101 55 51.7972 59.3500 1.7900 52.6026 60.8328 1.8101 39 51.3619 60.6967 1.7900 52.6026 64.0128 4.6250 -1 51.3785 60.6967 1.7900 52.6026 61.1661 1.8101 -1 51.3785 60.6967 1.7900 52.1483 61.1661 1.8101 13 51.3850 60.6967 1.7900 52.6026 61.1661 1.8101 5 51.3619 60.8127 1.7900 52.6026 64.0128 4.6250 -1 51.3785 60.8368 1.7900 51.4051 61.1661 4.6250 49 51.3619 60.8127 1.7900 52.6026 64.0128 1.8101 12 50.7596 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 64.0128 4.5101 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 56.1893 64.0128 4.5101 -1 51.3619 59.3500 1.7900 55.9712 64.0128 1.8101 -1 51.7972 59.3500 1.7900 53.5237 60.8328 1.8101 37 51.3619 60.8127 1.7900 55.9712 64.0128 1.8101 11 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 56.1893 60.8328 4.5101 -1 50.7596 59.1138 1.7900 56.1893 59.3701 4.5101 56 52.5825 59.3500 1.7900 56.1893 60.8328 1.8101 9 50.7596 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 63.6278 4.5101 -1 50.7596 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 63.6278 4.5101 -1 50.7596 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 59.3701 4.5101 32 52.5825 59.3500 1.7900 56.1893 63.6278 1.8101 16 55.9511 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 63.6278 4.5101 -1 55.9511 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 63.6278 4.5101 61 55.9511 59.1106 1.7900 56.2055 63.6278 4.5101 60 50.6741 63.6076 1.7900 57.7506 69.3763 4.6250 -1 50.6741 63.6077 1.7900 56.0382 69.3763 4.6250 -1 50.6741 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 65.2740 4.6250 -1 50.6741 63.8906 1.7900 51.3805 64.0060 4.6250 -1 50.8900 63.8906 1.7900 51.3031 63.9475 4.6250 43 50.6741 63.8906 1.7900 51.3805 64.0060 4.6250 -1 50.6741 63.8906 1.7900 51.3031 63.9475 4.6250 44 51.2830 63.8906 1.7900 51.3805 64.0060 4.6250 42 51.2830 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 65.2740 4.6170 -1 51.2830 63.8906 1.7900 51.5994 65.2740 4.6170 -1 51.2830 63.8906 1.7900 51.3820 64.0128 4.6170 51 51.3604 63.9859 1.7900 51.5994 65.2740 4.6170 52 51.3619 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 65.2740 4.5101 -1 51.3619 63.9927 1.7900 51.5994 65.2740 4.5101 57 51.3619 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 65.2740 1.8101 4 51.5793 63.6077 1.7900 56.0382 69.3763 4.5101 -1 51.5793 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 67.7127 4.5101 -1 51.5793 65.2539 1.7900 55.0290 67.2901 4.5101 -1 51.5793 65.2539 1.7900 55.0290 67.2901 4.5101 23 51.5793 65.2539 1.7900 55.0290 67.2901 4.5101 22 51.5793 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 67.7127 4.5101 -1 51.5793 63.6077 1.7900 55.9712 67.2901 1.8101 18 54.9155 67.2700 1.7900 55.4007 67.7127 4.5101 25 54.9155 67.2700 1.7900 56.0382 69.3763 4.5101 -1 55.1834 67.6926 1.7900 56.0382 69.0901 4.5101 -1 55.3386 67.6926 1.7900 56.0382 69.0901 1.8101 40 55.1834 67.6926 1.7900 55.4007 69.0901 4.5101 27 54.9155 67.2700 1.7900 55.4007 69.3763 4.5101 -1 54.9155 67.2700 1.7900 55.4007 67.7127 4.5101 24 55.1834 67.6926 1.7900 55.3587 69.3763 4.5101 26 55.0089 63.6076 1.7900 57.7506 69.3763 4.5101 -1 55.0089 63.6076 1.7900 57.7506 68.1852 4.5101 -1 55.0089 63.6076 1.7900 57.7506 67.8890 4.5101 -1 55.9511 63.6076 1.7900 57.7506 64.8771 4.5101 -1 55.9511 63.6076 1.7900 57.7343 64.8771 4.5101 59 55.9673 63.6076 1.7900 57.7506 64.8771 4.5101 58 55.0089 63.6077 1.7900 57.7506 67.8890 4.5101 -1 55.0089 63.6077 1.7900 57.7343 67.2901 1.8101 3 57.4437 64.8569 1.7900 57.7506 67.8890 4.5101 29 55.0089 64.8569 1.7900 57.7506 68.1852 4.5101 -1 55.0089 64.8569 1.7900 57.7506 67.8890 4.5101 -1 55.0089 64.8570 1.7900 57.7343 67.8890 1.8101 0 57.4437 64.8569 1.7900 57.7506 67.8890 4.5101 28 55.0089 67.2700 1.7900 57.4638 68.1852 1.8101 -1 55.0089 67.2700 1.7900 57.4638 67.8890 1.8101 1 55.3806 67.6926 1.7900 57.4638 68.1852 1.8101 6 55.1951 67.8678 1.7900 57.4801 69.3763 4.5101 -1 55.3386 67.8689 1.7900 57.4639 69.0901 1.8101 -1 55.3386 68.1529 1.7900 57.4639 69.0901 1.8101 -1 55.3386 68.1529 1.7900 56.7051 69.0901 1.8101 41 55.3386 68.1529 1.7900 57.4639 69.0901 1.8101 36 56.0181 67.8689 1.7900 57.4639 69.0638 1.8101 -1 56.0181 67.8689 1.7900 57.4638 68.1852 1.8101 7 56.6850 67.8689 1.7900 57.4639 69.0638 1.8101 33 55.1951 67.8678 1.7900 57.4801 69.3763 4.5101 -1 55.3386 67.8678 1.7900 57.4801 69.3601 4.5101 -1 57.4437 67.8678 1.7900 57.4800 69.0638 4.5101 31 55.3386 69.0437 1.7900 57.4801 69.3601 4.5101 35 55.1951 67.8678 1.7900 57.4801 69.3763 4.5101 -1 57.4438 67.8678 1.7900 57.4801 69.3601 4.5101 30 55.1951 69.0700 1.7900 57.4801 69.3763 4.5101 34 This represents the bounding box if you will, basically a 6 sided object, it's collision data, I can get an output (probably best in wireframe) of this aswell, atleast that's what the first 6 figures represent I think. The final figure is a mystery. All this is moot really, and probably not that helpful, I'll have to study the binary file directly, figure out what all the data means. There is also another problem even tho' I can tell you straight up what most of the information means, I can't really do much else for you guys unless you tell me exactly what it is you need. Even then I may not be able to help.

I honestly don't know enough about walkmeshs, all I am asking for is to actually see a walkmesh... It could be any complete walkmesh.

Ah. Well, good luck then. I'm a games journalist. I review games, I don't report the news. All I have is a (somewhat educated) opinion which I try to convey as objectively as possible to the readers of our site. Sometimes it doesn't work and we make mistakes. It was probably a mistake to let me review Gothic 2 (which is the reason I turned down Gothic 2 Gold and Gothic 3..), just as it was giving Zelda: The Wind Waker to our biggest Zelda fan (he scored it 98/100 back when we had that scale). Do you think Eurogamer are proud of the fact that they scored Oblivion 10/10 right now? Or do you think there's not a single reviewer in the world going "Hey, Gears of War.. maybe it wasn't The Holy Grail Of All Gaming after all?" right now? We offer opinions, not fact. We're not trying to convince anyone that we're right, we're merely trying to convey a sense of what the product is about so that the reader can make up his own mind about whether or not the title in question is for him/her, without having to spend 50