Gromnir

do you actual mean ad hominem as a logic fallacy, or is you asking that insults stop? ad hominem is NOT the same as insulting. is used wrong so frequent that am honest unsure what people is trying to say. however, we would guess that tale wants everybody to play nice, no? HA! Good Fun!

no double standard, 'cause Gromnir ain't complaining that calax is a meanie. we welcome, 'cause apparent you get even less rational as you get more worked-up, eh? as for your notions o' the evolution o' language... HAAAHHHAAAAAA! fine, once calax successfully gets the definition o' whitewash changed, then he will be correct. let us know when you has managed to get your new-and-improved version o' "whitewash" accepted by a some recognizable % o' the english speaking world such that oed and other sources adopt. however, we would prefer that you start your crusade with "inflammable." it just seems wrong that inflammable = flammable. HA! Good Fun! ps to boo, how can we not be snide when you and calax is posting stuff like this?

Notice the last five words? So, is it "whitewash" in the sense that they glossed over it in order to entirely excuse the fact? No, but it's pretty bloody close. no, it ain't close. not even a little close. you cannot simply choose half the words from a definition and say, "close enough." the fact that you do not believe that you got a complete picture is NOT a whitewash in any way, shape or form. no glossing over or cover up o' crimes or vices to exonerate, so no whitewash. duh. the rest o' your post is an attempt at deflection and ad hominem. even if you thinks Gromnir is a meany without peer, it not make you any less wrong... 'bout everything you has posted in response to Gromnir. no American attempt to gloss over or cover-up the evils o' japanese internment in texts. am glad we all is clear on that point, 'cause the rest o' this is noise. "What's with the snide remarks in every post gromnir." an exaggeration. we were snide and derisive o' you and calax. you 'cause you defend the kiddie killer and his plagiarized manifesto; claimed that brev were a smarty and courageous guy whose message were worth considering. we is derisive o' calax 'cause he is trying hard to re-write english and perhaps 'cause he is trying to convince folks that America covers up unpleasant racial relations in texts... or maybe he ain't. he still seems a bit confused, but that is mainly 'cause he is trying to defend an untenable position and he has complete lost sight o' his original claim. is plenty o' non-snide Gromnir posts. that being said, am kinda surprised by the number o' outrageous claims being made by folks. normally that is lof's schtick. HA! Good Fun!

no. you would have an argument if you had claimed that TEXAS had whitewashed red scare figures... or some general statement that some states censor texts... but that were not what you claimed. you claimed that America whitewashed japanese internment. you is now showing that you not understand logic any better than simple and clear definition o' whitewash. not recall the textbook? sure. is possible. weren't that long ago for you, but is definite possible you forgot. post or pm school district and state. virtual every school district gots online info regarding approved texts and reading lists... makes easy. *shrug* in any event, is pretty clear that you is just flailing around miserably. pointless. we explained why we intervened. you made a misleading comment, whether intended or not. much like our hypothetical mc or walsh comment, it would be very easy to read calax comment and come to the mistaken conclusion that America whitewashed texts regarding the japanese internment. that is clear not the case. not only does the US have no means to do so, but there is a voluminous number o' texts that have such info. is highly unlikely that you suffered an aberrant text that chose to be dismissive of the internment. you not wanna provide info to support? fine. nevertheless, your broken book wouldn't make your statement anymore true... but it would make your confusion understandable. you didn't by chance take ap us history? that would make clarification particular easy. "And I'm amazed that you magically seem to know what my English readings were and thus if there was any glossing over in History, it was automatically picked up by my English course." another example of wacky-bad reading comprehension. "heck, if you read farewell to manzanar in your english classes, then there is no genuine shortfall in any event. you ends up getting pertinent info while studying cross-discipline. " notice the word "if"? am knowing that you not like online dictionaries for some bizarre reason, but many libraries contain abridged oeds. next time you happen by a library you may choose to stop in and take a peek at the definition. HA! Good Fun!

actually, do it the reverse. send us the name o' your high school US history text... if you wanna push it this far. chances are we is familiar with your text, but if not, a brief email query to the publisher from an attorney asking 'em why their text has no accurate information regarding the japanese internment is likely to get a very interesting response. so, go ahead. don't be more of a clown than you already appear to be. HA! Good Fun! But you speak as if you already know what I was taught and what I read in my English classes, so if you don't then how can you say that I have to have known what you know and what was placed within other textbooks around the country? Or even what was referenced in my English classes required reading? Or are you operating on inference created by previous experience with the subject in other contexts and are projecting upon my high school career so hard you can do Powerpoint from your eye sockets? *groan* clearly there is some damage. you claimed "America" had whitewashed texts. 1) keep in mind that there is no American standard for US history texts. individual states and school districts make up such guidelines, but other than ap, there is no specific Americanization o' texts. 2) all we gotta do to refute your claim (or at least shift the burden) that America whitewashed is to show texts that hasn't been whitewashed... and the pbs link includes a bibliography with many such texts. is calax suggesting that the US whitewashed your texts specific? again, as the US has no mechanism to achieve such a goal, and recognizing the vast number o' texts that is not whitewashed, you has already effective lost... but in our generosity, we will be willing to look into the possibility that you were having a singular textbook that whitewashed japenes internment. that still wouldn't mean that America whitewashed, but it would explain your ignorance if not obtuseness. so, go ahead. HA! Good Fun!

actually, do it the reverse. send us the name o' your high school US history text... if you wanna push it this far. chances are we is familiar with your text, but if not, a brief email query to the publisher from an attorney asking 'em why their text has no accurate information regarding the japanese internment is likely to get a very interesting response. so, go ahead. don't be more of a clown than you already appear to be. HA! Good Fun!

for chrissakes. do you still not know what WHITEWASH means? so, you made a blanket statement accusing "America" of whitewashing the japanese internment. you not see a problem? still? HA! if mc or walsh posted on this board that the post reformation oppression o' english catholics were whitewashed from texts by the government, Gromnir would be surprised, but we might believe 'em given the absence o' any contradictory material. we honestly have almost no knowledge o' pre-grad education in europe. we would be a little shocked, and a bit appaled, but why would walsh or mc lie 'bout something like that? you did the same thing... you just didn't realize... or maybe you did. is getting hard to tell at this point. btw, Gromnir is very familiar with what is in many American textbooks and approved reading lists. our expertise is First Amendment, and 'bout 1/4 o' all our cases has us dealing with school related religion and speech issues. deep south textbooks can be scary, but you is choosing the wrong battle to fight if you wanna get into knowledge o' what goes into most American textbooks. HA! Good Fun!

Sorry to interrupt but...aren't you from Chicago? yes... but other than this board, we has little dealings with kids. we did some football and rugby coaching a few years ago... and we worked in a juvenile detention facility a long time ago, but such experiences is increasing remote. oh, and we spent most o' our youth in the dakotas before moving to chicago for high school. am now in california. as for calax... *shrug* you posted misleading material and we corrected not to stroke our ego, but 'cause many o' the euros and asians who post here might mistakenly believe you 'bout the whitewashing o' history as it is taught in US schools. you were wrong, and the fact that you fail to recognize or admit is a condemnation o' calax and not Gromnir... in spite o' your continued attempts to misdirect and mislead. as we noted already (multiple times,) we ain't interested in engaging in a multiculturalism debate, but some folks in this thread is by accident or design, posting info that is just plain wrong. hurl were mature in the way he responded to Gromnir. calax, on the other hand, responds as one might expect. "but America has so whitewashed that out of the texts as best they can I don't have a very good read on how much of that was based on possible truths or pure racism." you coulda' been honest and simply observed your own paucity o' personal knowledge given your high school experience, but you felt the need to makes a blanket condemnation o' America. don't look for no pity in this circumstance. you mislead and got caught. own it. HA! Good Fun!

do you know what whitewash is? read the definition once again. gloss over the faults to absolve from blame. where were the attempt to absolve from blame? what were the faults that were glossed over? either you is being willful obtuse, or your reading comprehension is in serious need o' improvement. did you get the cliff's notes version? sure... and that is probable a good thing. again, the larger issue o' japanese internment were not complex, and you were probable already taught how the US were evil racists in their dealings with native americans and blacks. is overkill to do once again when ww2 is such a big unit. footnote is probable best in a high school class, particularly since you got the unvarnished and honest version o' the footnote. now, in a university class we can see spending loads o' time on the internment, 'cause the small details is what makes the subject profound interesting, but such exploration requires far too much time than is available in a high school class. what were your teacher trying to teach with the footnote regarding internment? that the US govt. has engaged in unjust racist activity? you has gotten LOADS o' that, so other that the factoid, what need did the instructor have for exploring once again, particularly when he/she no doubt had limited time in which to cover all o' ww2. gloss over Faults is whitewash. the simple fact that you got an abbreviated version is hardly a whitewash. heck, if you read farewell to manzanar in your english classes, then there is no genuine shortfall in any event. you ends up getting pertinent info while studying cross-discipline. why should history teacher give you a double-dose? HA! Good Fun! ps we has been told that American youth have ridiculously brief attention spans. no doubt this unfortunate problem makes teaching increasing difficult. heck, calax is a perfect example as he weren't even able to read through the entire whitewash definition; stopped at "gloss over." no wonder educators feels the need to trim the fat from lessons. reduce to bare-bones and present in a diversity-friendly manner using multimedia approaches. that or calax don't know how to read.

see, it is good that we spoke up. this way we can see that you clear not know what whitewashing is and that you were, once again, talking out your kiester. whitewash 5. to cover up or gloss over the faults or errors of; absolve from blame. doesn't sound like you got a whitewashed version. the japanese internments was pretty much as you were told. the rationale o' internment were not complex. the media at the time whipped up a frenzy regarding the possibility o' japanese saboteurs. the government just kinda rolled over and decided that internment would keeps everybody happy so that the war effort wouldn't be disrupted. the actual details surrounding the internments is intriguing as one can see how all levels o' the US govt. were complicit. the exec, legislature and even the Courts turned a blind eye to the japanese plight in spite o' internal reports that dispelled the myth o' pervasive japenese disloyalty and the fact that US law clear prohibited the internment... but the actual issue is not particularly complex. sooooooooo. no whitewash, and the information available on the subject is voluminous to say the least. so, am calling bs yet again HA! Good Fun! ps as an aside, is pretty wacky to claim ignorance AND whitewash simultaneous.

A well written argument, but you seem to omit the fact that racial differences are...well, different from religious. Push came to shove many times in the US history were blacks fought in every war and still faced discrimination. Whilst in times of peril they were brothers at arms (to an extent) they still had to face racism when they came back home. The situation with Elizabeth involved a single ethnic group with religious differences. So even if they fight together its no guarantee of a well adjusted multicultural society, although I should point that attitudes have changed and there is more tolerance of differences nowadays. Even if there is enough racism to counter it. A few things: As to the idea about the race and particularly african americans being used as an example to counter my point, we never went to war with a nation that had it's entire culture ported wholesale into african communities, by the africans themselves, of their own free will. The closest parallel would probably be Japanese immigrants who were thrown in the internment camps on suspicion of their being insurgents, but America has so whitewashed that out of the texts as best they can I don't have a very good read on how much of that was based on possible truths or pure racism. again, we hates the disinformation. perhaps calax lives in the deep south... or texas. regardless, Gromnir went to high school in chicago, and we got the full farewell to manzanaar treatment. and as for the suggestion that the subject has been wiped from texts... that is based either on ignorance or fibbing, 'cause there is a wealth o' info on the subject available to any US school kid that wants it. you got access to library? in the post-nclb world, is perhaps possible that less kids get force-fed a healthy dose o' japanese internment, but the holes in the teaching is the result o' pragmatism rather than whitewashing. nclb has resulted in many teachers having to Teach the Test. if internment isn't one o' the topics that shows on the standardized tests such as ca's STAR, then some teachers, particularly in schools with challenged test scores, is gonna focus on the material that kids will be getting tested. nevertheless, if calax is ignorant, it ain't 'cause o' whitewashing. particularly in the blue states, school kids is beat to death with the US's poor track record regarding race. we wouldn't be surprised if some small number o' kids has actually been driven to racism 'cause they had to endure native son, farewell to manzanar, to kill a mockingbird, merchant o' venice, and other potential race-focused books in english classes, while at the same time getting smacked around by the race stick in history classes. whitewash? not hardly. http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/ the pbs documentary is, sadly, less informative than one might hope. purpose is to show the "grave injustice" as 'posed to giving objective info. nevertheless, there clear ain't no attempt to whitewash. HA! Good Fun! ps with all the time and effort that America spent oppressing minority races and cultures, it is surprising that the US actual had any time to fight wars or settle new lands... 'least that is the way it seems based on how history gets taught.

http://vimeo.com/16315833 bruce hornsby may not have the best singing voice, but he is one o' the few virtuosos playing pop music today... and his band may be one o' the more impressive collections o' musical talent we can recollect. heck, he gots sonny emory playing drums. live performances is particular impressive as the various members o' the band cut loose. HA! Good Fun!

dunno. maybe. regardless, am not thinking your historical appeal is particular relevant, and it may even hurt your argument. for instance, there were similar numbers o' swedes and mexicans in ca by 1860. unlike the mexicans, swedes integrated into society such that if you ask us to identify significant california swedes, we could not name one; not 'cause there aren't any, but simply 'cause they became Americans. am thinking it is a valid question to ask why mexicans is... different. again, am not gonna get into a multicultural debate at this time, but given how half the towns, landmarks and streets in ca gots spanish names, it is easy to forget just how few mexicans there were in ca at the time o' the gold rush. other identifiable cultures had equal proud histories in early ca, but most integrated. am a citizen o' the US and a member o' the Oglala Sioux Tribe, so am fully aware just how complex this issue can be. nevertheless, your historical appeal appears flawed on multiple levels. the vast number o' mexicans living in neighborhoods in fresno and bakersfield can trace back ca geneologies no further than germans, or swedes or irish... and not near as far as miwok or chumash. HA! Good Fun!

Except in California you have a history of Mexican families that goes back much further than most white families. It's not like when California was taken from Mexico, all the Spanish speaking folks just up and left. Those neighborhoods have been there for generations. some mexican families did leave... but hurl might wanna check and see numbers relating to just how many mexican families were actual living in ca by the end o' the mexican-american war. the vast majority o' current mexican neighborhoods in ca got no direct historical ties to pre-war settlements. in spite o' the presence o' spanish missions throughout ca, there were actual very few mexicans living in alta ca by 1848... less than 1000 families, and alta ca included present-day arizona, nevada, and parts o' wyoming and colorado. HA! Good Fun!

good to know... but if that is true, why do you keep jabbering on 'bout it? nevertheless. we takes you at face value and will agree that multiculturalism is not a topic open to debate. case closed. problem solved. finitus sum. HA! Good Fun!

That was my point all along. no it wasn't, but am not gonna rehash the obvious that you is intrigued by brev's message. your basic premise is that we should not ignore the message just 'cause the messenger is a pathetic, cowardly, and monstrous killer o' children. you find some value in the message. Gromnir, on the other hand, is quite comfortable dismissing the messenger. there is a very long list o' anti-islamic commentators who gots very impressive resumes... scientists, diplomats, philosophers, doctors, etc. many such commentators has not felt the need to plagiarize, and virtually none worth mentioning has gone on killing sprees. the last thing we is gonna do is give some delinquent with daddy issues an opportunity to set the agenda on multiculturalism in europe. is precisely 'cause he resorted to such a cowardly act that his message is deserving less/no consideration... but you don't get that 'cause you agree with him... and you continue to defend his intellect and courage. we walked out the fed court house a couple a days ago and were accosted by a dirty and bearded fellow who assured us that fbi were involved in human trafficking with mexican drug cartels. he sounded at least as coherent as boo or vol. am guessing he had not bathed in at least a week, though we did not recognize him from the local soup kitchen and homeless shelter where we volunteer. we didn't pay much attention to the fellow. would you? *snort* even so, as far as we know, grimy conspiracy theorist never killed dozens o' kids in an attempt to get us to listen to his message. neither grimy guy nor brev has any academic, professional or personal life experience that we is aware o' to be making their relative messages worthy o' consideration, so as between dirty and bearded and mass-murdering prepster, am gonna actual be more likely to listen to the guy who looks like a walking lice and tick farm. heck, the dirty fellow could turn out to be a former fed himself, which would at least give him some expertise. there is at least a possible (if improbable) reason to consider dirty-guy. brev gots nothing... dead bodies and a plagiarized manifesto. fascination with brev as a kinda unique monster? sure, that is understandable... but to actually consider the merits o' his message when his only notable accomplishment in life is mass murder? at least ted were actual smart. brev is simply the 2011 version with more idiot appeal. given his educational and personal accomplishments, is unlikely that we would take breivik's narcissistic and rambling manifesto serious if we had read it on july 21, 2011. the guy were a nobody and 1,500 pages o' doggerel and stolen material woulda' been evoking maybe a smidgen o' scorn and a dollop o' amusement. read today? why? his message is less relevant today, not more. HA! Good Fun!

perhaps Gromnir missed something in the article, but the author's cry for diversity falls a bit flat when she chooses #2 as the bestest. now perhaps our eye is not so discerning, but to us, #2 looks the same as blondie-- save for hair color. or maybe that is the joke? dunno. women surprise us with what they think is important in games. am recalling that one woman on the bio boards claimed that nwn were unplayable 'cause o' the absence o' customizable footwear. for realz. as for the linked something awful material... am wondering if God's angels might find even 10 righteous people in the city. HA! Good Fun!

I dismiss these news as a rule, like you'd dismiss any statistically present crime - what piqued my interest was his pov. yeah? you is repeating what we said for a reason? we were criticizing you precisely 'cause you agreed with the killer's pov. and yes, you legitimized, apologized and defended. we can post your statements again so that we can see how you thinks that the noweigan killer is well-educated, courageous, and a contributing member o' society. HA! as has already been noted, in a free society you cannot hope to complete stop a loser who wants to create mayhem. the fact that these incidents happen in the west is hardly surprising. you brought up columbine, but did you check up on what happened? how 'bout some other American school tragedies. bath school were 1927 and 35+ were killed. university o' texas were 1966 and 13 were left dead... many wounded. 2007 saw the virginia tech incident and 35 dead. columbine were 12 dead in 1999. now be so kind as to draw a connection to common societal factors. how 'bout the unabomber? his manifesto also had a great deal of "we" and "our" language in it, but he were just one creepy hermit living in a shack. would be much easier to note that in each case you had depressed and angry males with access to firearms and explosives. you wanna hypothesize and guess 'bout the future without considering similar events in the past? be our guest. so, this joker has got a highly plagiarized and pathetic manifesto, and you is moved by his plight and pov? great. is 'cause you share the pov, no? lord knows we ain't gonna let you drag us into a multiculturalism debate. the only aspect we found intriguing 'bout your posts were the defense o' breivik and your seeming belief that breivik were a harbinger o' things to come. HA! Good Fun!

clearly you is looking to get our attention, but until you offer up something o' substance, you is gonna get very little consideration. we s'pose that some people is just slow learners. *shrug* HA! Good Fun!

*groan* clear missing the point. Gromnir is dismissive o' the norwegian child killer. what has he done to deserve attention and consideration? is it his published works? does he have significant life experience that makes him noteworthy? the only reason you give a darn about this clown is 'cause you agree with his pov, and 'cause he killed enough children to gain infamy. do not misunderstand; is not breivik who we rails 'gainst in this thread... is you, and those like you. we didn't respond in this thread until you posted. you is giving breivik what he wants. you is legitimizing him. oh sure, you does the social acceptable thing by noting that breivik's actions is wrong, but you suggest that his words is worth consideration and that his existence is the result o' societal forces... "Berivik (if that's the way his name is spelled) is the result of multiculturalist dogma that doesn't allow an inch for the expression of other ideas and concerns and ignores the fact that there are many people who do not agree with it." you defend the guy's intelligence and character in spite o' considerable evidence to the contrary. self-employed and educated? HA! breivik is nobody. one guy. one loser. he is an aberration. after all, how frequent does we see such behavior? not even one-in-a-million. heck, limit yourself to all the jackboot wearing racists you can find and you still not gonna get one-in-million to go on a ridiculously misguided killing spree. nope. breivik needs no response... but folks like you is common. 78 people died in a plane crash in morocco yesterday. 32 people died in a land slide in south korea this morning. am wondering how many people died in seemingly unnecessary fighting in sub-saharan africa on the same day as the events in norway. nevertheless, breivik has captured your attention and you actual sympathize with his pov. tragic. btw, if stuff like columbine were actual representative of societal ills, you would see'em more frequent, no? perhaps you thinks multiculturalism in europe is bad. we disagree. perhaps you thinks that govt. censorship o' unpopular points of view is bad. we agree. nevertheless, to point to breivik as anything other than a pathetic and cowardly killer o' children is a mistake. his only accomplishment is mayhem, but you wanna make'em a poster child for the disenfranchised preppy wannabee element... or some-such. HA! Good Fun! ps comparison to columbine is probable more appropriate than you suspect. do a search... were not a man doing the shooting.

Where from? we already hinted where-from. is kinda ironic given the fact that the guy he plagiarized were at the other end o' the left-right continuum. the guy you admire simply changed the leftist language to righty. *snort* HA! Good Fun! Don't be snide. Agreeing that someone's political views might hold a grain of truth does not equate to justification of his acts. I personally think he should be shot, as his crime is great. His crime however does not discredit the work of the many conservative authors he cites and their conclusions/ideas or some of his comments (like the disgraceful position of the Danish government regarding the cartoon scandal). and why should we be other than snide? the plagiarizing momma's boy is only significant 'cause he killed children. you attribute merit 'cause you agree with his pov. if you so desire you may go ahead and empower the pathetic, cowardly and monstrous little dirt-bag who managed to create a forum for himself by means o' a body count. as for Gromnir, we will continue to be snide, derisive and dismissive. HA! Good Fun!

Where from? we already hinted where-from. is kinda ironic given the fact that the guy he plagiarized were at the other end o' the left-right continuum. the guy you admire simply changed the leftist language to righty. *snort* HA! Good Fun!

Sounds more like your average inferiority nutcase. Can't face life, dreams of the proverbial 15 minutes of fame (and a lifetime of infamy). Picked the easy way out to vent his impotent rage against everybody except himself. Coward through and through. He claims to be a part of an organization, nobody has claimed him. terrorist groups take credit for mayhem whether they is responsible or not. nobody is backing up the coward's claims. of course he claims to be part o' an organization. he knew he would be caught or killed... and that would end his significance, but if he were part o' an organization... bah. the most simple explanation is that he acted alone and is alone. until we see otherwise, am gonna stick with simple explanations. what we read o' his manifesto is nothing more than a mish-mash o' wacky conjecture and irate drivel. our impression thus far: is as if the unabomber's retarded younger brother took up the family trade. HA! Good Fun! ps you do realize that large portions o' the manifesto is plagiarized, right?

Incorrect. Self employed upper middle class and extremely educated. the 32 year old man with no formal education beyond high school, lives with his mother (didn't move out til he were 30... and then moved back home) and had a business go bankrupt is... what? perhaps your definitions is different than ours. you not need formal education to be educated, but access to a search engine or a book o' quotations is no substitute for traditional university rigour. so far we see no evidence that the slaughterer o' norwegian children is educated. as for being self-employed... well, am guessing that may be technical correct... on some level. is "amateur bomb maker" a profession? nevertheless, we will concede that it is too early to dismiss the izod bedecked momma's boy as insane. is far too convenient to label a person insane just 'cause they does something violent and stoopid... and pen a rambling manifesto. for the time being, Gromnir is gonna stick with Pathetic and Monstrous as our labels dujour. HA! Good Fun! ps damn. we forgot to include Cowardly. purposefully target children? yeah, that is cowardice. Pathetic. Monstrous. Cowardly. Here's the manifest so you can judge his educational level, or lack of it for yourself. His knowledge of the topics at hand does not seem to be based on quotations, but on lengthy research and I recognize many of the books on political theory he mentions. In that set of topics, I can say he has a good grasp of the material, regardless of the conclusions he draws from it. http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/...ndependence.pdf Cowardly? I'm not so sure. He did ask, and expect the death penalty for himself. This could be hypocrisy since he's not going to get it in Norway, but it does not suggest he picked the targets for lack of "harder" ones but because what he did would cause the maximum amount of pain. As someone who sees himself a "martyr", and has in advance "given up his life" he really could have struck anywhere and at anyone - therefore his choice of targets speaks to intent, not courage. am betting you didn't read the entire manifesto. neither did Gromnir, but nothing we read particularly impresses us. half the angsty teens who visit this board could pen something similar... but most would not choose to do so. and yeah, cowardly is how we would describe. the guy had a pathetic existence, so he targets kids who got the future he thought he were entitled to? *snort* which is taking more effort and courage; making something of yourself through hard work and determination, or setting off a bomb and slaughtering children? infamy is much easier to attain than is fame... hell, infamy is much easier to attain than a moderate comfortable existence. all you gotta do to be infamous is to give up on your on life, and take the lives o' others. HA! Good Fun!

Incorrect. Self employed upper middle class and extremely educated. the 32 year old man with no formal education beyond high school, lives with his mother (didn't move out til he were 30... and then moved back home) and had a business go bankrupt is... what? perhaps your definitions is different than ours. you not need formal education to be educated, but access to a search engine or a book o' quotations is no substitute for traditional university rigour. so far we see no evidence that the slaughterer o' norwegian children is educated. as for being self-employed... well, am guessing that may be technical correct... on some level. is "amateur bomb maker" a profession? nevertheless, we will concede that it is too early to dismiss the izod bedecked momma's boy as insane. is far too convenient to label a person insane just 'cause they does something violent and stoopid... and pen a rambling manifesto. for the time being, Gromnir is gonna stick with Pathetic and Monstrous as our labels dujour. HA! Good Fun! ps damn. we forgot to include Cowardly. purposefully target children? yeah, that is cowardice. Pathetic. Monstrous. Cowardly.