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Either that or no points deducted for either.

If you watch the DVD special edition re-re-re-release of the original series he goes through some of the intial story ideas, some of the reject castings (like Kurt Russell for Han Solo) you will pick up some clues as to the original story and how fluid his script was. I am also pretty sure that's where you'll find the interview where he blathers on about themes and how he also wanted to have the "mythic archetype" of the child versus the fallen father. I don't have my copy to hand, but I can always look it up later (if someone on the forum doesn't jump in first to confirm this). The EU was written after George Lucas wrote his original Star Wars opera, back in the early 1970s. That is when he came up with the "Darth Vader" character, well before he evenconsidered the remote possibility that there would be any other Darths, let alone what a blinking Sith was. Therefore it does have everything to do with the misguided notion that "Darth" comes from "DArk siTH" and "Vader" from "inVADER".

Sounds like it is at least a spilt decision -- and therefore there are a few Council members that believe as Qui-Gon did. However, I would wager that there were few precedents for refusing a Jedi Knight's choice of padawan, and that this had more to do with the Council's grudging acceptance rather than a true "acceptance" of Anakin.

Spoiler: Just because it seems that everyone is choosing to come along of their own free will doesn't mean there is such a thing as free will. All that is required is the illusion for us to believe that we are free to choose, for us to think we are actually making the choice. We could be as fixed in what we do as the characters in a film. It's an illusion.

Watch out for T3, he's a sneaky one.

Well there's one clear reason: Most action movies are for men (most! not all) Therefore, the producers want a big crowd to watch their films so one thing leads to another....I actually prefer movies with a lead female, but who has sass and wears real clothes! Not some skimpy, slutty, bikini-like outfit. Like Princess Leia. She has sass and wears real clothes, not metal biki- well that was ONE TIME! She was Jabba's slave! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For some unfathomable reason there were a lot of films with strong female protagonists with good scripts, made by Hollywood in the Fifties. I'm not sure why this trend ended. I for one would like to see more of them.

I was thinking of wearing that Dancers Outfit throughout the entire game. Playing the part of an evil ex-stripper out to kill off all her old clients. I'm kinda curious if anyone says something funny about wearing that outfit in the later parts of the game. After seeing how useless my companions were playing solo does have it's allure. However, I am looking forward to converting them to Sith Slaves, and that requires me to bring them along. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is a mod or two available to increase the difficulty of the standard game (counteract the bonus due to the PC level, for example). Also, someone has already done a "dancer's uniform" run through; so it is eminently possible (and apparently a lot of fun). I don't think anyone has added comments for the outfit later on, though, but do post if you hear any. epee (<{POST_SNAPBACK}>) has done some soloing. Another exploration you might like to try is using different companions on the planets. e.g. Apparently G0-T0 and Visas are a good pair for Korriban.

Apathy.

Exactly: that is what makes Kreia the One True Prophet, the one who will save us all from the slavery of a fate predestined by the selfish, malevolent Force. We, the Anti-Force Force, will take up force against the Force and force it into oblivion.

There's a spoiler forum for this stuff. <_< <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm pretty sure everyone talking here has played the game in some shape or form. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Irrelevant. Some of the people who read these fora have not. And what should we do with the Spoiler forum, then? Don't be lazy. And impolite. And ignorant. Use the Spoiler tags and the Spoiler forum for outright discussion of plot and characters.

That is exactly what I was referring to. Killing Darth Maul, in effect, was Obi-Wan's trial. And the Council refused Obi-Wan permission to train Anakin. Then they promoted him to Jedi Knight, and he took "anyone" to be his padawan, which just happens to be Anakin.

Sliath, please use the SPOILER tags to hide SPOILERS! <_< Just put "Spoiler" and "/spoiler" in square brackets, like all the other codes, around the spoiler. Please. Thank you. You have no way of determining that Destiny is fixed and Free Will is an illusion.

I'm sure they could mount a retrospective law suit. "The sound of Galvatron's arm-mounted laser cannon firing is a modified version of the sound of Megatron's fusion cannon." Perhaps they didn't copyright it in Japan? (Certainly China doesn't -- or at least didn't -- recognise international copyright law. I think they may have had to recently, to keep their "Most Favored Trading Nation" (sic) from the US ... ) Maybe you might get a free lightsaber if you email GL and tell him he can sue Hasbro ... then again, doesn't Hasbro make the SW action figures? Maybe they've got a deal going?

Another writer I dislike! (Yes I dislike quite a few authors.) Im sure he wrote some worthwhile books, however the only one of his I have read (as summer reading) was "The Red Pony." Possibly among the worst books ever written. Heres a synopsis: Boy gets a pony. Pony dies. Boy gets another pony. Pony dies. Boy gets another pony who dies while giving birth to another pony. The End. P.S. This may be a slightly exaggerated account. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steinbeck is all about the pain and suffering of the disposessed working class. You want to read a painful novel (pun intended), read "The Grapes of Wrath". Ugh.

a. Yep, everyone's equal under the British class system, Monarchy, nobility, middle classes and working classes -- "Johnny Foreigner" was allowed to be in the last two, with the occassional knighthood for a carrot to keep the cogs of empire oiled. b. No, the alternative would have been to be culturally sympathetic. It makes no big difference, however, as you say, because sooner or later the people would hopefully learn to live as "neighbours", whether in or out of some arbitrary political boundary. Like the Balkans. I do think that the British have demonstrated a much more capable hand at setting up countries for independence; however they have had their share of failures, too. And Britain was not fledging countries for altruistic reasons, either; the Empire contained the necessary ingredients to expand and defend itself, right up to the near-monopoly of rubber plantations from Malaysia, required for the tyres of automobiles and casings of electric cables. Some of the atrocities committed in the name of Empire were so appauling that as soon as the British public were made aware of them they were curtailed: like Rhodes raping central Africa before France could beat them to it, and Germany could get started. c. That's just a cop out; an excuse to cover a poor job. If the resolution was to do the job properly then no-one would have any reasonable argument against a longer withdrawal. The question your avoid is, Why -- if the British were so interested in Nation building -- did the actual core activities take place in that small fraction that was the end of the occupation? Nation-building was a side-effect of a good, strong Empire. Then again, I'd rather be an ex-British colony than an ex-Spanish or Portuguese South American Banana Republic.

As I said, I'm not sure what back-formation the EU have used to justify and explain this (because I don't read SW comics or novels), but that is the "canonical reason" from the films. The fact is that GL used "Dark Father" *** SPOILERS *** because Darth Vader was the Dark Father of Luke. *** End of 1980 SPOILERS *** GL had always planned this plot twitst in some form, at times he was going to write the script so that it was not hidden at all. So the garbage in the EU trying to make sense of the GL ramblings is a nice try to detangle the meaning of "canon" events, but it certainly bears no resemblance to the historical facts.

But Kreia is the One True Prophet! She knows the ultimate truth, that the Force is controlling the Force Sensitives of the universe to fulfil its own secret agenda: holding out the illusion of free will when secretly seeking its own hidden self-aggrandizement. The Anti-Force Forces will take up Kreia's banner, hold the Standard high and fight to the end of the Force!

I believe Aniken and Padm

I want light-nun chucks. nun chucks! Mad Dog Nunchaku

... Not if you are an ardent fanboy. (Now, let's see, what''s all this character creation stuff ...? )

Yes it is a higher purpose. Especially if she is correct She does what it takes to achieve her goal, not like she ever makes a secret of that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You seem to be arguing that because your character is a mindless psychopath, therefore your Exile was a "baddamuddafugga" than Kreia. Or not. Disseminating mindless pain and suffering may prove you are more evil, but using your intelligence to spread it even further -- like if Kreia was lying and the Force then she was much, much more evil than the Exile could ever be. I agree Kreia was certainly singleminded in her determination to , and if she sincerely believes what she spouts, then it is indeed arguable whether she is the epitamy of evil that she is being made out to be, or just a freedom fighter. As for how this relates to the two stories and their relative merits, I would agree the K2 had the potential to be a much better story: more complex characters and deeper issues, like the grey areas between Atris, Atton and Kreia. Unfortunately this potential was let down by shoddy writing. Yes, one had to read the dialogue more closely in K2; it didn't do any good, however, as under this scrutiny the script displayed no cohesion nor intellectual rigour. K1 wins by default. Even though the plot was one-dimensional and simple, it was a complete story. K2 was a dog's breakfast. PS Discussing plots should be done in the SPOILERS forum, and -- at the very least -- plot elements should be hidden with the conveniently supplied SPOILER tags.

I disagree. 1930s Germany was a crucial turning point in global history. The interregnum in Europe had all the ingredients: extreme political views (Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism), dire social circumstances (inflation meant that workers were paid every day, and the wheel-barrow load of notes were worthless, anyway), fear, mistrust, riteous anger, jealosy, ... you name it. Having a setting with a Fascist coup and an alternate future with a Communist government gives the two extreme political doctrines a sharp focus; the audience can clearly compare and contrast the two doctrines and see the impact on the human spirit. Fun and educational. :cool:

Obsidian Entertainment have already confirmed that they will not be developing KotOR3.

Surely you mean Unicron? In fact he died before they finsihed the movie...and if you listen carefully you'll notice Unicron's last lines were voiced by none other than Leonard Nimoy filling in for Orson Welles. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are correct. My source of trivia will need to be checked for gremlins, however, because there is a further film listed in 1987, one year after The Transformers: The Movie (Beyond good. Beyond evil. Beyond your wildest imagination.), aka Mokushiroku Matrix yo eien ni. But if Orson died in mid sentence, then -- unless he was moonlighting at the time -- I guess that makes Unicron his last piece. PS Arcee was voiced by Sue Blue. PPS Orson Welles died in 1985 sparking rumors that Leonard Nimoy took over and provided the voice for Unicron. However, actress Susan Blu (Arcee) has since confirmed that Welles completed the voiceover work before he died. PPPS This film is considered the "bridge" between the second and third cartoon series, as several second-series characters are introduced here and several first-series characters are killed or altered (e.g. Megatron to Galvatron). PPPPS Many of the second season characters (Stunticons, Aerialbots, etc.) do not appear in the movie because they did not exist at the time the movie was written. However, they all suddenly appear in the post-movie episodes. PPPPPS Two Cyclonus-style robots are created in the movie; one from Bombshell (Insecticon) and one from Skywarp (Decepticon jet). Many fans have speculated which one became the "real" Cyclonus. Cyclonus was (apparently) originally intended to have many duplicates under his command ("and his armada..."), like Scourge and his Sweeps. However, only one duplicate was created on-screen and was never seen again after that shot. This has led fans to write fanfics about a character called "Armada". PPPPPPS The last film with Scatman Crothers before his death. PPPPPPPS The band who sings the songs on the soundtrack called "Nothin's Gonna Stand In Our Way" and "Hunger" is listed on the soundtrack credits as Spectre General, but the band's name is actually Kick Axe. When the soundtrack was being assembled, they thought the name "Kick Axe" sounded too threatening, so they listed them as "Spectre General". The band was not notified about the change. PPPPPPPPS Almost all of the new characters that appear in the Movie were newly designed. The Hasbro toys were based on the Movie's character designs. The exception was Ultra Magnus, who already had a toy in the Japanese "Diaclone" line. His character model was based on the toy, and given new colors. PPPPPPPPPS Originally, Ultra Magnus was drawn and quartered by the Sweeps (his arms and legs were ripped from his body). This was changed a scene of his being blasted to death. However, the shot of the Sweeps firing at Magnus shows them using continous beams (almost as if they were ropes of energy), instead of laser blasts they are seen using in the rest of the movie. PPPPPPPPPPS The movie was being produced by the same company, and at the same time, as _G.I. Joe: The Movie (1987 video)_ . It had been agreed that both movies would suffer the loss of the lead heroes, Optimus Prime and Duke. Production had begun on G.I. Joe first, and was thus expected to be released first. During the production of the two films, G.I. Joe Got held up while Transformers finished production. Release dates were changed and Transformers got a theatrical release in 1986. Optimus Prime's death sparked some controversy and caused the writers to change Duke's death to a coma. G.I. Joe never got to the theaters, and was released to video instead. Had G.I. Joe been released first, Optimus Prime might have survived the movie. PPPPPPPPPPPS Some pre-movie characters have very short cameos: Huffer, Hound, Sunstreaker, and Snarl. PPPPPPPPPPPPS Grimlock's line to Kup, "Tell Grimlock about petro-rabbits" is a reference to John Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men" in which Lenny continuously asks George to "Tell me about the rabbits."