Gfted1

My estimates were calculated purely on the numbers provided in the article Walshingham linked us to about the ex-hooker/junkie who stated approximately $60.00/fix was needed for the habit.

Well, Im sorry to see that you are "narked" but if you expect me to take your "facts" at your word without you providing any sources then most likely any serious discussion you and I have will end in you becoming narked. If you come in and throw random numbers around (that sound absurd to me), I will question you on it. It doesnt mean I dont "get you". Ive read and understood your point, I simply disagree. While that may be true, its beyond the scope of our discussion. You say free drugs is the cure to: 80% of prison overpopulation, organized crime, prostitution, bad breath, etc... Fine. I say free drugs are already readily available and yet these conditionas still exist. What gives? Austin Powers: International Man Of Mysters. Or it could have been Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. I cant remember which. Your not advocating that the junkie hang out on the property until they sober up are you? Now you will need rooms for them, and a nurse/doctor to make sure they dont drown in their own vomit. Oh, and dont forget the niceties such as bathrooms and the people to keep all this all running. Better be careful or your sub $60 heroin habit is going to quickly spiral out of control.

Nice sidestep. I think you know I not talking about the perp, but the victims. Its already on the books that a victim or their family may sue an establisment or private citizen because they "over served" a person that later commited a vehicular crime due to intoxication. Now, lets take it a step futher. Little Johnny's family is righfully enraged that some fool who just got high at The Govornment Smack Institute ran over little Johnny while he was out playing with little Sally. They, using the tools already at their disposal, sue the govornment for 1 BILLION DOLLARS. Now multiply this by the number of times it happens. I think we all see where this is going.

Who says it hasn't? Well, obviously it hasnt since we're so vigorously discussing what a pancea "free drugs" would be.

Err, we're talking about the prospect of providing these drugs to drug addicts, through government channels. Just now you decide to bring this up? Besides, you make it sound like heroin would become available at your local drugstore. I dunno, I just thought of it. What does the timing of the question have to do with anything? Another point I brought up earlier in the thread got lost in the discussion. I think methodone clinics are available in every major city that, afaik, give the stuff away. Why hasnt this "taken a bite out of crime"?

I wonder how the U.S. govornment would deal with the liability of becoming a drug dealer. I can see lawsuit's out the wazoo. Here its currently possible for a bar (or private citizen) to be sued, and found liable, for "over serving" a patron who leaves drunk and wraps his car around a tree. What happens when Junkie McSmack wrecks into a bus full of handicapped? Thats right, "Its not my fault! The govornment gave me the heroin which caused me to crash my car!"

As I didnt see this in the article, I can only guess your pulling it out of thin air. Unless the UK police force is so unbelievably inept as to cost themselves tens of thousands of pounds in the process of typing a single report, there is no way this can be true. Why would heroin cost tens of thousands of pounds to make? Ingredients? Delivery system? Infrastructure? I dont know how much the manufacture of heroin would cost the govornment, I was basing that cost on $60.00/day x 1 year (explained in slightly more detail above).

If this was directed at me, I dont think I understand you meta. Im sure all cops worldwide have mountains of paperwork to write-up each day that detail the crimes deal with but how does that tie into Walshingham's post? Using his article as a basis, lets assume the average junkie spends $60 per fix. Lets also assume they only need one fix a day. That comes to $21,900.00/year. I find it nigh impossible that arresting one person one time and not even sending them to court (penalty phase) cost the city where the offence took place more then $22k. While I dont know this for a fact nor do I have any references to link to I would also say the numbers used above are extremely conservative and the average junkie spends far in excess of $60.00/day.

As I didnt see this in the article, I can only guess your pulling it out of thin air. Unless the UK police force is so unbelievably inept as to cost themselves tens of thousands of pounds in the process of typing a single report, there is no way this can be true.

Neat trailer, like the one for War Front that plays after it too. The age verification section cracks me up, Im sure THAT will stop those persky minors from seeing adult material, lol.

Im not sure if this is Urban Legend or not but Ive heard that during D-Day there were several Tiger divisions nearby that werent brought to bear due to the fact they only took orders diretly from Hitler, who was napping, and nobody wanted to wake him. You know anything about that one way or the other?

Being through boot camp and some military training they pretty much try to erase individuality and basically do a form of brainwashing that you would comply to every order given. Yet have laws that make the soldier accountable for his actions and not the commander who dictates his actions. *sigh* One time you are going to be right about something and Im going to fall out of my chair. While Im sure you feel you know all there is to know about the military what with the 6-8 weeks you invested before getting canned, my 7.5 years of active duty thouroughly disproves your "facts". 1) Blind obedience is only taught in bootcamp. This is, as you surmised, used to break down the individuals and form them into a team mentality. This is used for unit cohesion and training the person to function under stress. Once you reach your duty station, you are expected to follow all "lawful" orders, but not all order period (below). 2) Military personel are not required to follow "unlawful" orders. Meaning, if your ordered to run in and gun down the monastary full of retarded nuns, you do not have to follow it and you will suffer no reprucussion. While you may be bitter for being found unfit for duty but you dont have to make up BS and pass it off as fact.

You are crazy. Christmas is about rampant commercialization and capitalism gone crazy backed by a mix bag of Pagan and Christian religious nonsense. ...and thus, sitting on his high horse, Sand acclaimed: "I can see my house from here!" :D

We already do that, or at least we did while I was in the Navy for the first Gulf war. Not only was our pay tax free while on deployment, we also received "Imminent Danger Pay" (couple hundred extra per month) and got to send our mail out without the need for a stamp (wtf?). That's reasonable. Especially the stamp part. I always did feel that was the cherry on the top.

We already do that, or at least we did while I was in the Navy for the first Gulf war. Not only was our pay tax free while on deployment, we also received "Imminent Danger Pay" (couple hundred extra per month) and got to send our mail out without the need for a stamp (wtf?).

Cool. Is that some kind of whip in his right hand?

I chose Gfted1 because Im so f-ing great.

Hehe, Eddo usually recycles this topic about once a year. I havent read the other 69 posts but Ive said it before so Ill say it again. If you dodge your countries call to arms you are a coward, plain and simple. You will gladly suckle at the teat your country provides in peace but the minute youre needed you scamper to the hills? Goodbye, good riddance, your citizenship has been revoked.

Ive never played PS:T but, TBH, the constant cutscenes in NWN2 are killing me to death. Way too much yikkidy-yak, IMO. Meet new person 5 minutes of cutscenes while you navigate the responces Walk 20 ft Assinine bickering breaks out over how to handle a situation Repeat

Happy Birthday!!!!

@ Shadowstrider: @ kirottu:

Aww, that stinks. Hope you werent spoiled too bad.

Wow, great cliffhanger! Gah, I hate season breaks.

The Break-Up...Oy Vay! I few remote chuckles surrounded by a sea of meh.

Er, what? 1) How do you know it didnt effect peoples habits? Lets say hypothetically I couldnt find a bag of weed to buy because the shipment intended for Chicago was intercepted and the dealer didnt have any. I guess I wouldnt be smoking any until that status changed. 2) I wouldnt call having 9.25 Mkgs less drugs on the street a "failure". Not to mention whatever peeps were also rounded up in those cases. Why does it have to be all or nothing to be a success? Since there are still some drugs available it must be a total failure and we can give up and legalize everything? Thats akin to saying "Well, that guy got killed in the car accident while he was wearing his seatbelt. Might as well throw out that mandatory seatbelt law because its a failure."