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Didn't Hades already win by saying that it was alright to have infinite ammo in Mass Effect, a game which heavily relies on action shooting gameplay? Because, I mean, if this all comes down to an issue of 'realism' then hahahahahahahhahaklsdhaklhdsahada, losers.

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Can't torture a dead guy, duh. while there's a sense in which I agree with you, there's a double issue. 1) Realism is not nearly as conductive to fun in console games due to limited controls (flight simulator X on 360? hahaha) as it is on the PC. Just look at Steel Battalion, one of the only good 'simulators' ever released for a console, and it came with its own control deck. 2) all 5 of your listed games are very limited in terms of their realism. Sure, you can say they all have finite ammo (save for Xcom laser rifles I guess), but I don't see Operation Flashpoint, I don't see Combat Flight Simulator, I don't see Close Combat, which leads me to belive that what you actually want from games isn't 'realism' but a sembelence of reality, which points right back to point 1 in that sembelences of reality are already being massively limited by console controls. Don't get me wrong, one of my favorate PC shooters of all time was an MP only game called Red Orchestra where you had to manually rebolt your gun between each shot, but there is a place for this kind of coolness and it's not on consoles. Which is a sad side-effect of the death-like state of PC gaming at the moment.

Unlimited ammo doesn't mean you'll always have a gun. That's even before we get onto the idea of deadly force not always being necessary.

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Ammo was never a problem in R6 games, so i'm not sure I follow that point. Given that each character only had one gun (+ sidearm), and enough ammo that they realistically never ran out on a mission, the 'issue' of limited ammo or not is pretty irrelivent. In games like fallout, system shock or Deus Ex, where efficent resorce managment is an important part of the game, limited ammo actually matters. Likewise, in 'traditional' FPSs like doom, where there's a specific hirachy of weapons, limited ammo for the more powerful weapons actually matters. But for games where health and number of firearms you're able to carry at one time is limited, the effect of 'ammo' on gameplay becomes more and more moot. You want realism? For me, the realisation that, in Vegas 2, when changing clips on an SMG lead to an extra bullet on the 'count' was due to there already being a bullet in the chamber from the previous clip made me very happy.

Cirtainly games which use 'realistic' weapons, which are, from weapon to weapon, pretty much as effective as each other. Sure, limited ammo has a use in somthing like Half-life, where infinite ammo on the rocket-launcher or Egon would make all others pointless, but playing Vegas 2 i've never had ammo problems, and cirtainly never in a way that contributed to the gameplay. Gorgron might be bitter against the fact that the pistols have infinite ammo, but on a backup weapon (esspesally on the only weapon you can use on a rope) you won't see me complaining. wah wah not realitic, but if I wanted realism above fun I wouldn't be playing on a console in the first place.

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I'm not saying his point is completely unjustified, but yes, I got the irony bonus.

Yeah, i'll order it today, so we've got till it arrives to finish Vegas2 campain. When wips around we need to play more Vegas2/AC6 as it is, so we've got our 2p and 3/4p needs sorted out for the time being. <3<3 Flamers.

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I didn't! ...because I was playing it. But yeah, awsome.

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Mass Effect is already free of Sodomy. Unlike Jade Empire.

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On Oblivion? The only opinion you can really trust is your own because the game divides people so dramatically.

So now it really is 2p diablo? Interest waining. Not to matter, Vegas 2 should keep us interested for a long time now that Wip is into it.