Darkpriest

Some opinion on the 'diplomats' https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russia-s-ukraine-invasion-may-have-been-preventable-n1290831

If there isn't some de-escalation in economic sanctions coming up now, as in, no more new ones being announced and some calmness introduced by decision makers, then expect hard crash very soon... https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/carnage-everywhere-market-begins-break 2008 will be peanuts...

Some more info on the breaking fundamentals of the markets... At this point I would be doing everything NOT to escalate and everything to de-escalate economic pressures https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nomura-stuff-beginning-break

This is one of the reasons why politicians should be careful with using economic nukes. The complexity of finance world is going to bite back some in the ass https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/coal-titan-peabody-hit-margin-calls

Also, this

Interesting if true

Hopefully, you are mistaken and Russians are open to some concessions from their initial offer.

That's why you have a negotiation table. You see the opening hand, now you have to work out the deals for give and take... and land somewhere in the middle with some parts and capitulate on the others.

I've seen some info, that Russians were prepariing for an option of being cut-off from the internet, but i assumed it was some wartime with NATO scenario. A firewall, like a great firewall of China is more probable

Seems some birds are better at chirping than twitter ones?

Not being shelled to oblivion? What do you mean giving back? This offer is not taking more thannhe already had. The giving back part is not having the land bridge to crimea, and not having the regime change, and having less war time in your country. To have a peace, there will need to be some concession to Russia, and this I believe would be a reasonable one, if UA could have any economic deals it wants, but not enter EU directly (can be changed later), not pursuing NATO entry (thats sure as hell), and having something akin to a JDF, where the numbers could be agreed on manpower, equipment type, etc. On the side UA could have a really good PE trainigns in high schools and university level, plus some citizen mandatory self defense trainig etc, and NATO cannot back down from more funding and more equipment on the Eastern flank. In case of a build up, UA announces exercise and NATO announces theor ownn exercise and you would bee able to play cat and mouse for ages until regime changes in Russia

It's a promise of Shengen and extra funding. Ukraine would be the poorest region with most direct net payments recieved, but this is also why a lot of net payers and current net gainers would not be so keen on getting them there.

Do we know what it means exactly? The devil is in the details. If it is like the current Finland 'neutral' status or it will end up like one or Japan's defense force, I do not thinknUA would have to worry too much, and again, in case of sucha build up again, I would expect NATO in the Europe to be more ready with more equipment at the ready to be passed on to Ukraine

That part I have not seen, if so, then this would be a condition to have russians remove and give them all else. Also, why it is important for EU and food production, which utlizies gas for heating on sheltered food production

With what? I mean, sure, but within 5 years UA will be much better prepared and I'm sure no one will ignore sucj a build up of forces ever again there.

I believe this is related to UA to stop doing the hit and run attacks on the Russian columns and positions. Demilitarization now is understood as loss of offesnive capabilities and infrastructure. It will take millions to repair and replace all that was destroyed. But it might also be just 'diplomatic' talk, as it was a special oeration with aim of demilitarization and denazification (sic!)

Sure thing, it's just easier for me to link complied text from there. I'm not linking political stuff from there, as some of the op eds are giving me a brain tumor, but they are quite good at compiling "market" related stuff, even if it is sentionalist and doom and gloom at times. I'm usually filtering out the useless crap Besides, why not trust your forum 'analytic'

I do not recall at the moment, but I would forget about Crimea. Ukraine is never going to get it back, unless they want to now move somehow on the offensive and attack and seize it... Donbas and Lukhansk would be painful, but in their current state, they are non-usable anyway, and Russians will not be able to use those terrains in near future as well.

The above conditions are effectively Russian surrender. They will not take less, but they will leave from UA batterred, humiliated and with no regime change

Russians stated their conditions ----- following headlines hit Reuters: KREMLIN SPOKESMAN SAYS UKRAINE MUST AMEND CONSTITUTION AND REJECT CLAIMS TO ENTER ANY BLOC UKRAINE MUST RECOGNISE CRIMEA AS RUSSIAN, AND DONETSK AND LUGANSK AS INDEPENDENT STATES IF THESE CONDITIONS ARE MET, THEN RUSSIAN MILITARY ACTION WILL ‘STOP IN A MOMENT’ - SPOKESMAN If it were up to me, i'd say I take them. Save lives, build up economically, put a lot of billateral agreements for trade and exchange, special credit lines, and get people back and let them fpcus on rebuilding Russians got nothing more than theybhad already, and you only confirm that legally. UA will never enter NATO, but can still buy equipment. The most painful part would be not being a part of EU, but bilateral deals can help to go around it, if it is economic deals you want. This also needs to be in plce for as long as situation in Kremlin will not be more favorable, and Russians will have a lot to deal with internally in the next couplenof years.

You could also put that on the ignorant, pompous and simply incompetent foreign affairs resp in US and UK. For domestic brownie points, at currently super low ratings, they've went posturing against clearly determined and armed Russians. Diplomacy is about hearing sides and finding smart, if uneasy compromise, so both sides can take something away as a win. If you behave like as if "mute was talking to a deaf", then you are not a diplomant, but a stupid person and a product of twitterati mob era. There should have been Minsk accords moved forward, and while it would be a bit painful for UA to admit the loss of that, it would have been much better for the overall world and stability. The problem is now, that UA will be devastated, will bleed out and will be ruined, Russia will be ruined economicly for a brief time, Europe and US will experience wealth destruction, social unrest and depression in reality of a very high inflation, poorer countries will experience hunger and voilent revolts. With all that, you still need to have some exit deal for Putin, because relying on him stopping due to sanctions or loss of life in Ukraine is naive to say the least. If you will cancel Russia in a way that it is now common in Western media and socialmedia space, then you have no exit plan and stupid journos and politicians leave no room for a serious peace talk that can succeed, because they want to cancel Putin's Russia and not give anything. Yes, ultimately it is Putin's Russia, who broke peace, but we have to admit, that Western diplomacy and UA diplomacy wasn't stellar. We all will now pay a heavy price for it.

Thats what i've been saying since like a week ago?

Yeah... Not sure if people not being able to afford buying one will be able to get one... Those cars are also going up inn price at a rapid pace. Electric bills will be a bitch too quite soon. Various metals and semis are going up. Wheat hit 1300 or 13 per bushel, and other food commodities went higher as well (corn touching 800) Oil hit 130+ per barrel. Gas is going higher, EU gas price is under a particular heavy strain EUR weakens drastically, there was a point where you could have 1CHF for 1EUR. DAX plummeted over 20% since the start, and during one day only- today touching 5% intraday loss... You will start seeing a heavy social unrest with the next month bills and costs of life. This sanctions are mutually assured destruction. Sure, Russia will suffer more, but boy, we are in for some pain. Hope that people in US cashed out their 401k and put that in gold on Feb 24th... Edit: This is without saying much worse for Emerging markets or countries neighbouring UA, like Poland

People shouting about cancelling Russia better hope that crisis will not reach them. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pozsar-we-could-be-looking-early-stages-classic-liquidity-crisis

WTI Oil at 126!!! Brent at 135!!! Holy F! +50% in 1.5 week... I'm not even sure what to think at the moment. It will soon be a dramatic situation... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-06/brent-oil-soars-above-135-on-fears-over-tightening-market?srnd=premium-europe