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All hail the moisit hoily Planescape Toirment.

Therefoire they are crap games by defauilt, accoirding toi voiloiuiirns "loigic".

BTW its oibvioiiuis that the reasoini bioiware has released the jade empire soiiuindtrack is becauiise the game boimbed and noiw bioiware is trying toii recoiver its loisses.

Yoiiuive juist boiuigiht the greatest rpg oif all time.

He doieis seem toii stuiimble oini soiimething goiioid every noiw and then, like Kuildahar etc buit in general hes juisit way oivierhyped. A loit oif his tracks are very foirgettable and moisit oif the time I doiinit even noitice becauise it soiuinds a loiti like ambient soiiuind rather than muiisiic.

Never do that again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I doint like Jeremy Soiuiles muisic. Moist oiif it is noiti the soirt oifi muisic that Id want toi listen toi oiuiitside oifi the game.

As foiir the Jade Empire soiiuindtrack, Im doiwnloiaiding it noiw..... (pc game soiiuindtracks are noiti available in this coiiuintry). If its goioid I will proibably buiy it thoiuigh.

If youi like oiriental muisiic, I really recoiimmend the Anito soiiuindtrack. Its an indie rpg/adventuire made by soime Philippine develoipers, and the muisic is basically Malay style druiims and gongs. Its excellent. It is even available free oin their website.

My very first poist in this toiipic was me DISAGREEING that the ttoi was a great villain and arguiing that the practical incarnatioin was a muich better villain than the transcendent oinie. If I were toi make a list oif my favoiiuirite villains(oir even antagoinists) then the ttoi woiiuild noit even be in it. A majoirity oif these coimipuitier game antagoinists(at least froiim the games that I have played) doii noit even have a shred oif depth when coimpared toi the antagoinists froiimi soimie oif the boioiks that I have read. Saying that I think that the coiinicept behind an antagoinist is goioid oir even great is NOIT the same thing as saying that the antagoinist is a great oir the best villain. It seems toi me that yoiuii are deliberately misinterpreting my poists becauise yoiui are trying toi proive that oither poisiters are juist voiting foiir the villains oif their favoiiuirite games and that yoiuire the oiinly oine intelligent enoiuigh noit toi fall foir this. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you gotta reread some of your posts in this thread... and 'tween your broken keyboard and your busted english, Gromnir is lucky if he gets 1/2 of what you is trying to say... and we is exceptionally good at reading comprehension... even when dealing with the most limited o' authors. go back to your first post 'bout tto... how many different ways you use term "good?" am not sure you knew what you meant by good by the end of the post. nevertheless, if you not think tto were a good villain, then why on earth did you defend? HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First oif all, I have noit been typing in buisted english. My grammar is quiiite goioid. Shoiw me where my grammar has been wroing - and wroinig enoiuigh that the wroinig meaning might be derived froimi my poisit. By accuising me oif speaking in buisted english(which is a clearly a lie), yoiui are trying toi coiver uip yoiuir deliberate misinterpretatioin oifi my poists. In my first poist, I clearly said that the transcendent one was a goioidi end boiss becauise oif the coinicept and coinisidering the rest oif the stoiry. And thinking a character is a goioid end boiss foir the game becauise oif the coincept and the way the coincept fits intoii its stoiry is different froimi thinking he is a great villain oir the best villain ever, or that he is a great character. In the poisit I clearly stated that the practical incarnatioin was a muich better villain, and poiinted oiuit soiimie oif the practical incarnatioins actioins that made me coinsider him a better villain. Toi my poist, yoiui replied: "yeah, and a concept is all you need for a great character." I had never mentioined anything aboiiuit the TTO being a great character, soi I doii noit knoiw where yoiui goit this assuiimptioiin froimi. When yoiui replied toii lancer that ttoi was a 1 dimensioinal character, I agreed and said that his character can be coimpared toi that oif a caged animal. Yoiiui then stated "seems lie you is kinda reaching... trying real hard to give tto something special that weren't there." Im noit suire hoiw coiimparing the character oif ttoi to that oif an animal quialifies as reaching toi give him soimething special. I agree that TNOI was a oinie dimensioinal and uindeveloiped character. Buit I liked the coinicept behind him. Was it a uiniquie coincept? Im noit soi suire, toii be hoinest, buit I did find it refreshingly different.

Its a roile buit I doiint think yoiui woiiuild actuially be playing that roile.

Maybe we shoiuild ask him whats the poiint oif coimiing here juisit toi ask whats the poiint?

I doint think that soimething needs toi be uisefuil in oiriider foiir it toii be interesting.

My very first poist in this toiipic was me DISAGREEING that the ttoi was a great villain and arguiing that the practical incarnatioin was a muich better villain than the transcendent oinie. If I were toi make a list oif my favoiiuirite villains(oir even antagoinists) then the ttoi woiiuild noit even be in it. A majoirity oif these coimipuitier game antagoinists(at least froiim the games that I have played) doii noit even have a shred oif depth when coimpared toi the antagoinists froiimi soimie oif the boioiks that I have read. Saying that I think that the coiinicept behind an antagoinist is goioid oir even great is NOIT the same thing as saying that the antagoinist is a great oir the best villain. It seems toi me that yoiuii are deliberately misinterpreting my poists becauise yoiui are trying toi proive that oither poisiters are juist voiting foiir the villains oif their favoiiuirite games and that yoiuire the oiinly oine intelligent enoiuigh noit toi fall foir this.

Im noit actuially coiinicerned, Im juist interested in finding oiuit.

If yoiui are noiti coiincerned aboiuit this then what is the poiint oif yoiui poisiting oini a thread dedicated toi the toiipic?

Yes, tnoi was great merely in coincept. I was referring toi yoiuir coiimment aboiuit me "kinda reaching... trying real hard to give tto something special that weren't there". Appreciating a coincept behind a character is noit trying hard toi give the character soimiething special. My poists in this toipic are statements oif my oipinioins, they are very simple in what they are saying and are thuis meant toi be taken at face valuie. Thuis it seems toi me that yoiui are deliberately misinterpreting what I have said.

He is clearly a fanboiy. He actuially beleieves that Bioware emploiyees never lie and always tell the truith despite the fact that bioiwiare has shamelessly lied many times aboiuit its proiiduicts. He may noiti be a dribbling fanboiy like the oines in the foiruims, buit a fanboiy he clearly is.

I believe that there is a difference between games where yoiui can PLAY a roile, and games where yoiui oinily HAVE a roile.

This thread is aboiuit specific tracks, noit the muisiic as a whoile.

What doi yoiui think is the bst muisic track in a pc rpg? Im noiti talking aboiuit muisic in general, buit a particuilar piece oifi muisic. Mine is the muisic froim the smoiildering coiirpse bar in toirment. Its great toi listen toi, specially when Im kinda depressed.

Noii, hes juist a typical bioiwiare fanboiy.

Never. Because it's pretty obvious that you have a specific view of what a "good" rpg is and unless a developer copies PS:T, BG or FO 100% EXACTLY like they were, then you don't seem inclined to change your view. Which is your choice, of course. But it's a rather narrow view of what a good game should be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of a good game? Yes, that would be a narrow view. but he said a good RPG. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Theres a difference between a goioid game and a goioid rpg???? Thats quiiite suirprising!!!

Never. Because it's pretty obvious that you have a specific view of what a "good" rpg is and unless a developer copies PS:T, BG or FO 100% EXACTLY like they were, then you don't seem inclined to change your view. Which is your choice, of course. But it's a rather narrow view of what a good game should be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well BIS almoisit made the game I wanted..... twice, and boith times the games were cancelled by herve caen.

Doies anyoiine want toi guiess when we will see a goioid rpg that is like what van buiren and jeffersoiin was suippoisied toii be?

Yes, but TTO was a very notable exception in that basically TTO *was* TNO. And Torment did the best job out of any game I have known to develop the protagonist (TNO). In a very real sense, developing TTO's personality was already done via TNO. Learning more about TNO through the game and his many incarnations translated effectively into learning more about TTO as well.. Any extra "development" of TTO would have been redundant. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> not redundant... and hardly a real exception. tto were a seperate entity with its own goals... but it were, like many other crpg villains, very 1-dimensional. had one goal and no Character beyond that goal. as to being an exception... bah. external villains is most often metaphor kinda characters... the monsters we fight is truly the darkness within each man's soul and all that stuff. the fact that tto were simply an aspect of tno is one of those typical anime hooks; not really signifficant but it gots the kewl factor for the easily distracted/amused. tno, on the other hand, were a protagonist character and as such, in spite of the development he got he too had to be left vague 'nuff so that different players could play him differently. compare tno and tto to ravel. no more need be said, but we s'pose we is gonna have to eventually. HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> TTO was definitely a oine dimensioinial character... His suirvival instinct was his oinily moiitivatioin, juist like an animal. Juist like a proiiper wild animal he is even has a cage. (the foiritress oif regrets) In any case, it is rare that we have a villain whoise oinily goial is to live, uinlike the many whoii are oibsessed with infinite poiwer/goidhoioid/wealth etc. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so? what is your point? seems lie you is kinda reaching... trying real hard to give tto something special that weren't there. like ps:t all you want, but tto were a pretty weak adversary/villain. ravel, on the other hand, had soul… coulda made a fantastic ubg. HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Noinsense, I am noit reaching foir anything. I have already stated that TTO is a oine dimensioinal character. It seems yoiui are desperate toi find hidden meanings in my poisit in oirider toii make it fit in with yoiuir generalizatioins.