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No you aren't splitting hairs and technically they would be distributing the game only I don't want to upset people but I did predict the role that Publishers would have in successful KS projects. I believe the developers would still own the IP but publishers will partner with developers and invest money. In turn they would get a percentage of overall profit. This is a good thing as it allows more revenue for the developers but in theory they wouldn't be completely "independent" anymore. But this something we can live with and I think the good outweighs the bad with this type of business model

I am playing Darksiders and I've just beaten Tiamat, it did take me a while. Probably about 3 hours as she is difficult. I am enjoying the game. I like the whole lore and various characters that you meet and interact with. I will say I can't see how you could play this game with a Mouse\Keyboard. The Xbox Controller makes its much less complicated and it just reinforces the point around some games need a Controller, like Sleeping Dogs

Come now decado, you can't expect us to believe that you didn't try to get just a little luuuuving from Isabela or Morrigan ? Just a little, you can be honest ...there are no judgements here ?

So part of her damages claim is 'loss of future income' even though she's refused to take up several positions within the company. Well, in a technical sense, you don't have to work for a company that "fails to provide a safe workplace" even if it gets a lot more vague when you are dealing with the mental aspect as opposed to physical of "safe". I still don't think her case is wholly without merit or even absurd - partially because of my extreme suspicion towards journalists and especially their need to sensationalise court cases. Nep explain to me again why she can claim the company failed to provide a safe work place? A safe workplace for who and what has this got to do with the fact they chose to make a hoax phone call. I honestly don't get it but clearly there is some legal precedent or she wouldn't be even attempting to take this legal action? Eh, I have no specifics of the case or even how that particular (almost universal) rule is interpreted there, but I'd say that if it's station policy to make those kinds of calls and then leaving individual employees to carry the (emotional etc.) burden in public, perhaps even claiming to fire them while, in fact, secretly offering them new positions in the firm, it would definitely qualify as a "hostile work environment" where you couldn't be reasonably expected to work. I've been picked on by slightly more senior co-workers envious of my advanced degree to the point where I got arrhythmia, so I can sympathise to a degree. Again, this is pure speculation on my part, based on personal experience that few lawsuits are as frivolous as they are made to be in media. Actually that's a very informative and reasonable answer, nice one. I knew you could decipher this one with your lawyer decoder I can see how she can now make this a viable legal case

I would say this constitutes a Romance hating post and someone who is going to be denying themselves the excitement of deeper interaction with party members and getting to know more about the people that they go on these epic quest with in PE? Yes, that would be correct. And I would say please add me to your list of romance haters if just for statistic purposes, because I'm not big on persuading people I don't know nor care about. Also - good luck on your further trolling. It's quite exquisite. Okay I'll mark you as unashamed Romance hater. You can change your mind and I'll remove you but you'll have to explain why as we don't want people just changing sides for no reason. We prefer consistency Also I'm not Trolling, I never Troll but I do joke sometimes ( like what I said above ) . I firmly believe in Romance\Sex in RPG. They do add to the RPG experience. I am surprised you would think I would spend so much discussing a feature of PE that I don't really care about ?

I would say this constitutes a Romance hating post and someone who is going to be denying themselves the excitement of deeper interaction with party members and getting to know more about the people that they go on these epic quest with in PE?

So part of her damages claim is 'loss of future income' even though she's refused to take up several positions within the company. Well, in a technical sense, you don't have to work for a company that "fails to provide a safe workplace" even if it gets a lot more vague when you are dealing with the mental aspect as opposed to physical of "safe". I still don't think her case is wholly without merit or even absurd - partially because of my extreme suspicion towards journalists and especially their need to sensationalise court cases. Nep explain to me again why she can claim the company failed to provide a safe work place? A safe workplace for who and what has this got to do with the fact they chose to make a hoax phone call. I honestly don't get it but clearly there is some legal precedent or she wouldn't be even attempting to take this legal action?

Unless it has some hidden depths you need more than a PhD to understand, I'm fairly sure I got it and it still blew. Nep stop using lawyer talk to undermine my point

Yeah and it makes me laugh But I would say we are all in agreement that GTA is the superior game ?????

Could be

Monte I find myself agreeing with you 100%...is something wrong with me?

If you watch the vlog post I linked in the OP you'd see she suggests that another reason romance won't always work is that romance is very personal. We all dig on different things. I like brains and courage, and... well anyway. You get the idea. But good parental traits are pretty stable. You can watch a Zulu mom and child and go 'aw...' just as easily as a Scottish mom and child. I hear you but that's what I am sort of saying and its also what the lady in the video is suggesting. The father\daughter relationship does resonate with almost everyone on some level. Its easier to implement on some games than Romance, but it will only work in some games. I also don't buy the view that we are seeing a resurgence in this type of dynamic because the developers are in the 30's and 40's as this is something that they can identify with as they have families. The decision to include Relationships is not up to the developers but rather the Game Producer and the company that ultimately owns the IP. They will make a game and include features that will ensure the game sells the most copies and is popular with fans. It's like saying Todd Howard from Bethesda who is married with kids should have included the whole Father\Daughter dynamic in Skyrim but instead you got these arguably silly marriage options which was what most people preferred and made sense in the game setting I am not saying that father\daughter doesn't have a place but it won't replace standard Romance as its not the best option for what people want who do care about these things

While I don't mind a woman with tattoos, those do not look very good. She is really pretty and clearly someone intelligent which is generally a must for me when I meet ladies when I am sober but those tattoos also don't do it for me at all. And as Hurlshot said it does detract from her natural beauty

Maybe you didn't understand the story in GTA4? That could be the reason you never got into it and didn't have fun

Good points, I am moving you out of my " I hate romancers on the Obsidian forums " group

I'm not anti-romance. I'm not romance has to be in the game either. If romances are included, I want them to fit the game and the characters and not limit the viability of not romancing NPCs. If they're not there I still expect robust NPCs to have other kinds of human relationships with. I know you aren't, I didn't mean to suggest you were with that generalization. Besides I use the term "anti-romance" more tongue and cheek as I have heard many good arguments around how Romance should be implemented from you and others

I see what you mean. That the devs are chaps with families. I'd really like to know what 'our' devs think about this. On some level it makes sense. (in the way that ideas look good on paper) I think we need, and can expect, to see more of this. The average age of gamers is supposedly somewhere around 30. This puts them at late teens/early twenties to play Baldur's Gate II, the game that really kicked off RPG romance. But also at the right age to play games like Lunar and Final Fantasy VIIat the peak. And now they're the same people raising children. I expect in about another decade we're going to see the mid-life crisis as a topic in videogames. I'm sure there are. I'm not trying to paint the now as if it's a revolution. But I suspect there's a bigger audience for it than ever before. Nah, I doubt the Father\Daughter relationship is anything more than an experiment that would only work in Zombie apocalypse games. You don't get anything more dramatic and tear-jerking than that type of dynamic (well maybe boy and dog relationships like Old Yeller ) . Its all about making an impact and appealing to a certain emotion that resonates with most people. Its no different to normal Romance we see in Bioware games. I know you aren't suggesting this but don't expect a paradigm shift in the way relationships are portrayed in RPG or games generally. The "normal" Romance is what most people expect and want

I wouldn't count on it unfortunately. Hi Alan Welcome back, where have you been?

I admire the way you can simplify these discussions Ulquiorra. And its good to have you back and commenting, I was getting outnumbered by the anti-romance people

I love the Saints Row games and the new GTA trailer does nothing for me. Really? I'm not sure if you are joking, I don't want to turn this into a SR vs GTA discussion but you can't possibly compare the outlandish and exaggerated gameplay antics of the SR4 trailer to the real living world of GTA5? Both look good but GTA5 is on a different level and it always has been? It's about what you're looking for in a game: If you're looking for gritty realism and going through an emotional roller coaster as the characters struggle with the morality of their actions, then GTA V definitely looks suited to that. Me, I want to cause ridiculous amounts of chaos and just have crazy, unfettered, over the top, juvenile fun. Having super powers, running around naked and punching people in the ****, and shooting aliens with a dubstep gun is definitely well suited for that. Well said, you have posted what I have been trying to say I think a while ago on another thread you also described the SR genre in a similar way and I thought " yes that's exactly how I see SR games "

Nah, nothing beats Isabela in her pirate boots. That's REAL relationship dynamics

I hear you, I don't think anyone is questioning how abhorrent the hoax was under the circumstances.

I do agree that SR looks cool but for me it looks like mindless fun. Aliens and Superheroes, a big change from the earlier games but yes it will be fun That's a good point actually and maybe why we disagree on what trailer appears more entertaining. I want to totally immerse myself in a virtual world where even the golf games take time and slowly build my criminal empire while exploring every nook and cranny of the GTA5 world. But swinging a bat at aliens will be fun but its a secondary objective when it comes to these types of games So this seems to be purely a debate around what type of game we prefer

I believe she committed suicide due to the shame of being hoodwinked and allowing the call to go through. I don't think she was fired. Did she take it too personally? In my books yes I think she did but it doesn't change the reality of the shame she felt. So the hoax caused her suicide and that is something the DJ have to live with

I love the Saints Row games and the new GTA trailer does nothing for me. Really? I'm not sure if you are joking, I don't want to turn this into a SR vs GTA discussion but you can't possibly compare the outlandish and exaggerated gameplay antics of the SR4 trailer to the real living world of GTA5? Both look good but GTA5 is on a different level and it always has been?