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Gromnir would you say you found Ravel attractive as a Romance option if she had been one? And there is judgement here, I generally never question anyone's Romance interest

Volo can you give some examples instead of "Yes there is" I'm not saying you are wrong I just think clarity is important because I don't remember anything specific I had to do to kill the Archdemon except for standard combat and running around

No you misunderstand me my Canadian friend I said there isn't a societal issue with violence against men. In other words violence and abuse perpetuated against men by women is much less.

GD when you lived in Florida what colour was your speedo that you use to wear to restaurants?

Oh..okay Its actually an interesting point. Personally I probably would have an issue going into a room and killing hundreds of women. And reason is I know about the prevalence of violence against women and children that exists in RL. I wouldn't be able to separate that from the fact its just a game But you don't have a problem killing hundreds of men? No because there isn't a societal problem with violence against men

MGS4 had the FROGS, does that count? Sofa I wanted to say earlier how are you enjoying being active on these forums? I know you come from the old days of BSN\Black Isle forums but its good to see your perspective and the fact that you do contribute towards certain topics I am enjoying your views I a m Oh hey, thanks. It's nice, an interesting crowd here. You guys don't goof off nearly as much though. I just wish more of the people who brought me here were sticking around too... Yeah, I wasn't around in those days but from what you guys told me we debate more seriously and there is less of a "family vibe" I don't think its an indictment on any one person its just how the Internet has changed as we have so many choices and places where we can discuss topics there is less need to look for that kinship or connections that existed back in the older days of BSN

Clarification: nobody thinks your friend is racist because she prefers white men. But your post didn't read "I just prefer white men so that didn't work for me", it read "but he was BLACK so guess I'm skipping that huh". You can try and sugarcoat it now, but that is just an offensive statement. And don't forget the context: it's apparently mysogynistic to include only a black man as a romance. Mysogynistic! It shows contempt for women that this character was made black! Think about that for a second. The implication here is that your friend demands that her preferences be catered to (white beefcake, not whiny emo or black guy) and that all women think like that and it's mysogynistic if you don't comply. She ignores the fact that there are black women who play games and do want a black romance option. She ignores that some women like softies. She thinks that she is the typical woman and calls a writer mysogynistic because he didn't cater to her preferences. That's what makes her sound like a horrible person. But like I said, the numbers do support her main argument. And I agree that there are way too many romance options for guys - it's such obvious wish fulfillment and it's distracting. (And yet none of them were cool nerdy girls with pixie haircuts who like comics and indie music. Misandrist?) That's a good post that summarizes the crux of the issue that most of us have with the post, well said

MGS4 had the FROGS, does that count? Sofa I wanted to say earlier how are you enjoying being active on these forums? I know you come from the old days of BSN\Black Isle forums but its good to see your perspective and the fact that you do contribute towards certain topics I am enjoying your views I a m

we went and used the tedious search engine and discovered that the last time you asked, we gave an answer. is not a secret or anything, but we don't think it matters... or at least we don't believe it should matter. and as we did already tell you last time you asked, you can now go digging with the horrible arsed search function and Feel our Pain. see, now that is whiny. not bester level o' whiny, but we don't quite have the knack for martyrdom. HA! Good Fun! Okay I will find it, what thread was it under? I only remember the question I asked you and not the topic

Is it really normal that people don't date other races or is it the fact you live in a conservative country that says its normal and you have convinced yourself that's the way it is? I'm not attacking you, I want to understand your perspective

But you can't expect people not to react emotionally when a post is made in way that is suppose to create emotion. There are many ways to make a point in a way that doesn't across as offensive Dude, this is internet. And Bester is known troll But is he a Troll all the time? I don't know as he has raised some debatable and interesting points in this post of his?

Oh..okay Its actually an interesting point. Personally I probably would have an issue going into a room and killing hundreds of women. And reason is I know about the prevalence of violence against women and children that exists in RL. I wouldn't be able to separate that from the fact its just a game

again, not black and about as far away from upper class as is possible. how many times we gotta let you know we ain't black before it sinks in? you is so dogged on this and we can't explain the origin. oh well, poor white kid growing up in the ghetto and suffering more racism than we can imagine sounds far more whiny than anything we has posted. am trying to decide if that is counting more as hypocrisy, irony or just plain stupidity on your part to not recognize that your complaint 'bout Gromnir followed right after your little hard knocks for bester tale. you need a tissue and a chance to compose self? btw, we thinks we kinda made clear that we ain't suffering oppression in the office. some o' our colleagues don't even think o' us as a minority and others clear forget that we is til after they say something stoopid. is like our euro friends who didn't seem to see us as American. Gromnir ain't poor educated. we don't talk funny, quote che guevera, or think oj were innocent. sure, we look different, but is amazing how folks can kinda ignore that kinda stuff. bester is in his own little world now... is probably his way to try and get himself out o' the horrible hole he dug with his hypothetical racist and homophobic girlfriend. and we got absolutely no idea how the tale o' woe o' how you suffered at the hands o' blacks and arabs is 'posed to make us think your girlfriend is less racist or that bioware is more misogynist. is it 'posed to makes us think that you is a racist but that you got reasons for it? am suspecting you think you made some kinda relevant point, but am not seeing it. HA! Good Fun! Gromnir I have asked you this before and you didn't want to answer, but what minority group are you? I respect the fact you don't feel its relevant but you can see how it creates certain confusion and assumptions. I also assumed you were African American but if you are not then I would have to guess you are Latino? But if you don't want to answer that's also fine, it won't change the fact in any respect that sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't

But you can't expect people not to react emotionally when a post is made in way that is suppose to create emotion. There are many ways to make a point in a way that doesn't across as offensive

I hear you but I never get upset by people that exhibit either intentionally or unintentionally dysfunctional mannerisms. I focus on people that want to be positive or people that are prepared to have a reasonable debate around issues

I travel overseas for work all the time and its been irrefutably proven that Canadians are by far the rudest and most cynical people...what do you think Malc ?

Do you suspect this is your dormant psychic abilities that are slowly manifesting themselves ......

Yay, this is amazing news !!! Nice post, I will be following this one closely

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know. Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10. No offense but your "friend" comes across as raving homophobic racist. Even if that's not her intention. She is a paradigm of the worst type of Romance person If she really is your friend what you have done is belittle her and make her look absolutely stupid, you clearly don't respect her to post something like that. That's not how a friend treats a friend Also of course you initially have to be attracted to someone to date them? Surly in the beginning of a relationship that's a factor? No. I actually showed her this thread and she said some people on this forum are incredibly dumb because she's had black friends when she lived abroad and she's always made fun of people with prejudices. Also, she's a really kind person. She just doesn't get turned on by black people and bisexual men and there's nobody to blame, she lives a happy life. Yet in here she was called all kinds of insults, so look who's prejudiced. I think it's because a lot of people in here are locked into a certain way of thinking and lack openness of mind. I don't blame them, you can't ask a dog to count to 10 just like you can't ask these people to understand things that are beyond their cultural environment which they have never left in their whole life. They think their environment is alpha and omega and that theirs is the only right way to think, while in real life there's many other sorts of realities. I lived in many countries and speak many languages, so I guess I'm more privileged than they are. We're just on completely different levels here. Le sigh. So I'm going you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not Trolling or trying to get a reaction from people and that you are being serious and respond accordingly As you know I am promancer so I can understand someone not wanting to Romance someone who they cant identify with. Part of a Romance option is some sort of connection. For example I have Romanced Viconia, Morrigan and Isabella. But I have never played a female character who has dated a gay female option I have no issue with anyone else doing this but for me my RP experience, which includes Romance, needs to resonate with me. So as far as your friend is concerned all I would ask is " what is the reason she doesn't find black men attractive" In South Africa when I have asked people I know "why wouldn't you date a black women that you think is attractive " ( and this also applies to black people dating white people ) I hear a variety of reasons and justifications. I don't believe most of it because end of the day the real reason is a historical view that "dating across the racial line is wrong" and some people have this almost subconscious and engrained perspective that inter-racial dating is on some level not acceptable. But at the root cause its because they have been raised a certain way and told " you need to date within your own racial group" even if they can't articulate the reason why

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know. Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10. No offense but your "friend" comes across as raving homophobic racist. Even if that's not her intention. She is a paradigm of the worst type of Romance person If she really is your friend what you have done is belittle her and make her look absolutely stupid, you clearly don't respect her to post something like that. That's not how a friend treats a friend Also of course you initially have to be attracted to someone to date them? Surly in the beginning of a relationship that's a factor?

Good question actually but I have played many games that have a female antagonist. Like Dungeon Siege 3? Or NWN2 with that lady sorcerer who is a member of the Host Tower of the Arcane. What about any game that features Drow and there matriarchal society?

On level 10 of Legend of Grimrock, damn some of the puzzles are hard. I can't believe that some people played this game and didn't use walkthroughs around some of the puzzles? I suppose I have become lazy when it comes to challenging games

I don't think Bester is trolling, I genuinely think he is trying to make a point buts its a deeply spurious point and makes no sense to me. I think sometimes these types of discussions are really used in an attempt to highlight something else, in this case its how stupid Romance is and how stupid people who like Romance sound, but who knows with Bester? Anyway I want to ask something else more interesting. Is it really racist if you say "I don't date outside my racial group"? For me if a person says that because they claim they don't find people of different races attractive that would be a lie and racist IMO. Beauty is beauty and this is not defined by race But in South Africa I have heard several people both black and white on the radio or other mediums say things like " I don't mind other people doing it but I don't date outside my racial group". The common reason they say they won't date across the racial line is because of the cultural differences. In fact in South Africa certain people won't even date outside there religious group. So would this make them racist ? I have dated across the racial line but I have friends who won't, so my question is "is it racist to if you say you won't date outside your group"

That's an impressive analysis of the DA series for someone who doesn't like it, I shudder to think how much you know about games that you actually like. You are clearly a masochist to put yourself through so much intentional anguish

I thought you didn't like Romance options in RPG? Why the outrage?