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Can you provide some links to support that because I don't believe it. Romance is one of main reasons that a large segment of Bioware fans support there games. But I can't say its the only reason because many people would still buy there games if Romance was excluded. I guess you would have to do a poll where you have 4 factors and you ask people to rate them in order of significance around what is the most important consideration when they buy an RPG? Romance would obviously be one of the four

Yeah they such cuddly and endearing critters

I agree, I felt bad in AC3....I killed loads of wolves and sometimes it didn't feel right

Let's just agree to disagree about the "BG2 is written for teenagers" issue. I would rather he retracted that comment, its actually a little condescending for people like me who thought BG2 was the best RPG I have ever played. It implies that people who loved BG2 have a juvenile understanding and perspective of enjoyment Sorry Sensuki, you probably didn't mean it like that but that's how I am interpreting what you are really saying

Okay good post, I was in love with Viconia so I gladly accepted her advances and she eventually bore my child. I never even considered what saying "no" may mean

Is that really true? I remember in DA2 I told Anders I just wanted to be friends and I don't remember any issues, he may have sulked ...but he was still in my party and played an active role in combat. I don't think he asked again, so in 50 hours of gameplay I didn't consider a 3 minute dialogue with him as intrusive or a game flaw....what am I missing? For the most part it's not true at all. However in DA:O it's very easy to trigger a romance with Leliana after doing her companion quest with fairly innocuous dialogue choices. /end off topic Fair enough I didn't have Leliana in my party so I wasn't aware of that, but as you mentioned that's more of an isolated Romance development ?

Sorry to hear

Is that really true? I remember in DA2 I told Anders I just wanted to be friends and I don't remember any issues, he may have sulked ...but he was still in my party and played an active role in combat. I don't think he asked again, so in 50 hours of gameplay I didn't consider a 3 minute dialogue with him as intrusive or a game flaw....what am I missing?

See the various romance threads. It is a pro for a lot of people including myself to not have them in the game. And it was more to do with some quests not triggering in BG2 and not so much DA:O. Just because you choose not to romance doesn't mean a non-romance quest for that NPC shouldn't start. It's quite odd when you have games with NPC side quests that have nothing to do with romances, you choose not to romance and then their backstory is now closed. And they simply shut up and stay silent. Can't you just be friends with the NPC instead of romancing them? And helping a friend out with their side quest? Anyway, I don't want to see this turn into another romance topic. Some people like romances, others don't. Nothing odd about it. Sorry Hiro but I agree with Mannock on this, I find it odd that you listed "no romances forced on you" as a pro. And I also question the view that Romance is forced on you in any RPG and that if you don't partake then you are penalized somehow by not gaining "a good chunk of XP". In BG2 I Romanced Viconia and apart from interesting dialogue the only side quest was a battle with followers of Lolth when I defended her. That doesn't constitute something major that I would have missed out on. I may have forgotten what other side quests were associated with Romancing Viconia?

Gromnir what about a situation where someone uses a skill but doesn't expect a use, would you consider that a cause of possible frustration?

I don't particularly dislike anyone but that doesn't mean we don't engage in debates and arguements

Same as me, but what I find is I am use to quick problem solving. So I tend to be lazy with the puzzle solving process, but if I apply myself then I generally come right I remember in Darksiders in the beginning I mostly used walkthroughs to solve the puzzles

Wow, I just win with you hey Hiro. You didn't need to set the record straight as I explained I was wrong and I realized you were serious about the discussion of homophobia in Uganda.

Thankfully the menacing dog was not interested in our cargo, Wowzers...that must have been nerve-wracking Imagine if they had found all that crystal you were keeping for the evitable road trip partying that comes later

Ah okay. So you basically jump to conclusions. And if you're not sure, you immediately think I'm trolling? Nice little judgemental admission you made there. And homophobia in Uganda? WTF? Where did that come from? I mean, wow. just wow. And where have I been dismissive of homophobia in Uganda? I never have. But nice trying to suggest I was. Looking at the Uganda thread, I was calling you out on you downplaying corrective rape in South Africa. You said it wasn't common. I responded and linked an article which suggests it does seem to be common and after a page or two of going back and forth, you finally admitted and said, "Corrective rape happens in South Africa, the article is correct". I know you're nationalistic about South Africa and always want to jump on the bandwagon on how progressive South Africa is but when someone posts something that's terrible in your country, you shouldn't be all 'oh that's not common' and downplay it. That's just an insult to all those women who are effected by it. And it wasn't me that brought up corrective rape in the thread. I was responding to your downplaying of the issue to another poster. So when I asked questions in this thread like wouldn't it be better to ask women on how women are portrayed in games, you immediately think I'm trolling? Which is why it took so many posts with your dodging and weaving and avoiding the question for you to finally answer the question. Perhaps it's best to not immediately think people are trolling and just answer questions when they are very simple questions. Only one person (Orogun01) answered the question about Obsidian taking pointers from Bioware and going down the route that Bioware has done and I can certainly understand Orogun01's concerns for Obsidian not to do Bioware style rpgs. But then it's just easy for some to troll my posts like AGX-17 has done, eh. My friend you are very defensive. I said "I thought " you were being dismissive about the rise of homophobia in Uganda. That means I was wrong But no I didn't think you were trolling in this thread which was why I responded. But the reality is people outside of me do think you troll sometimes which is why they don't always respond in the way you expect. This is the perception that exists for some and answers your questions where you asked "why can't people answer a simple question " Don't shoot the messenger for giving you a possible explanation to your question

Good post Op My Pro's Its a new fantasy game so we will see some changes to the standard usage of your classic D&D ruleset. Obsidian are very skilled at creating games in known fantasy worlds and because its a new IP they will have more latitude at being innovative in how the new fantasy world is designed All the new monsters, new lands to explore and all the lore to understand The narrative, how can we not be excited about the story and what PoE will be about. I love the thought of being part of some epic journey I am looking forward to interacting with my party members and learning there stories My Cons No Romance No Romance No Romance No Romance No Romance

It's a troll rating, for the quality of your troll post. You're getting better, 7/10 might get trolled again. In that case. 0/10 for your troll post. Considering I was asking a serious question. And another poster who doesn't answer simple questions. No idea why people find it so hard to answer simple questions. Bioware sells games with their type/style of rpg. They're quite successful at it. To be honest there is something about your posting style where I also don't think you are being serious at times. Its not all the time but there have been examples where I thought you were trolling, like the rise of homophobia in Uganda and I thought you were being dismissive of the issue. And I'm not sure exactly what it is so I can't say "its how you ask questions" but you do create the perception of trolling. Anyway going forward I am going to assume you are always serious so you and I won't have this misunderstanding again

That's an interesting perspective and worth noting. We sometimes discuss how Russia wants to annex East Ukraine, but maybe the economic consequences of them doing that are something that actually is the reason they don't?

our recollection is that regardless o' how well you treat her, isabella will betray your trust in chapter 2. she takes advantage o' some chaos to abscond with some kinda book, yes? so yeah, becoming more untrustworthy is a kinda growth. sure, you can get her to do a kinda redemption thing, but that nonsense were pretty darn silly too. HA! Good Fun! She did betray me but through the Desire demon and so did the someone else ( I can't remember who) but I forgave her and she became a committed member of the party and a valuable addition in combat

I agree with you and the post above, when I first started going to strip clubs I fell for the whole " I'm actually putting myself through university "story. And I tried to help several girls who didn't really need help but thought they could create a deeper connection with me if they positioned there situation in a certain way Nowadays when I go to strip clubs I treat the girls well and with respect, pay them what they ask for and make sure I don't get into discussions that are too deep. But the reality is many strippers do come from a dysfunctional background but I definitely don't judge them

No her clothing was fine ....perfect actually Personally, i haven't met a single stripper or even a prostitute in real life with such uh, loose clothing or hedonistic attitudes. But on the other hand, i haven't been to any third-world country yet, so who knows. Come to South Africa and I'll take you to places where that's exactly what the ladies wear #socialjustice You getting cheeky again young man I am not going to deny a women a job as a stripper if that's what she wants or pass judgement on her because of how she wants to make money. I believe in gender equality and people being able to choose there own professions. That's true social justice

No her clothing was fine ....perfect actually Personally, i haven't met a single stripper or even a prostitute in real life with such uh, loose clothing or hedonistic attitudes. But on the other hand, i haven't been to any third-world country yet, so who knows. Come to South Africa and I'll take you to places where that's exactly what the ladies wear

No her clothing was fine ....perfect actually

I'm havin a hard time following your logic here. If you kept her out of the party, how can you comment on the writer's achievements? Isabella occupied the Rogue position in party during the first act for several major quests. Every banter involved sex in some way and there was never any indication that there was more to her than being a slampig. Yeah, this confirms that you clearly didn't understand her character or didn't bother to read her dialogue options