BruceVC

Has the mandatory "This game is misogynistic" review popped its head yet? Games are not considered misogynistic just because its a popular theme at the moment or because there is some sort of SJ conspiracy by gaming journalists. Why do think the game should be rated as misogynistic? Are there valid reasons for it, I can't see why anyone would suggest that considering the fact its a sniping game where you kill men and women

Why do you say that? Is like your avatar might turn awfully prophetic. Falling Down is one of my best movies of all time. I have seen it about 5-6 times. Every scene is brilliant, like the part in the burger take-way ... "can anyone tell me what is wrong with this burger"... and that kid puts his hand up ..

I'm sure you say things like that just to annoy me, its like when people think I'm Trolling when I'm trying to be serious. And guess what, it is one of the few things that does annoy me But explain to me what would be the purpose of this act, what's the endgame? Why people with issues do things is something I've never bothered with uncovering, to be honest. Why you do this is your own business. But really that is an act, the Ukraine thread showed decent examples to me of otherwise. Hah, I missed this backhand Nicely couched too. That's what I thought, you can't give me a logical and relevant answer to why my posting style is an act. And I don't fault you for this because its not true And the Ukrainian thread is a terrible justification for me being an act, considering all the dozens of other discussions I have participated in. I would argue my perspective is more or less consistent, yes I am wrong sometimes but I generally don't flip-flop on issues like social justice

I'm sure you say things like that just to annoy me, its like when people think I'm Trolling when I'm trying to be serious. And guess what, it is one of the few things that does annoy me But explain to me what would be the purpose of this act, what's the endgame?

And that by far is one of the most insightful posts I've heard, well played I know certain people will automatically dismiss this article just because I posted it. But that's fine, I would rather debate with people who want to debate and to add constructive comments to these types of issues ( and I don't mean people have to agree with me ) Remember TN you don't raise SJ issues to be popular, its actually the opposite. Because most people don't like to be reminded of the ubiquitous inequality that's exists around us but generally doesn't effect them. But I don't care about popular opinion when it comes to my principles, I raise certain issues because I feel its the right thing to do But saying all that I acknowledge that article isn't excellent, its interesting but I can see where it fails to deliver the message Trust me, I know. I've raised a fair amount of ruckus about the particular subject of how women are treated in the game industry myself - and I've also learned that my perspective was also skewed in some ways because people here actually responded to the contents of the things I posted rather than just attack me personally. An article I posted by game designer Ernest Adams about how "we" are responsible for how women are treated comes to mind, which I came to realize through that discussion was the finest example of white knighting on the planet, guy may as well have been wearing a sign that said "come hither weak women, for I shallt protect thou" and I was wrong to defend him even if he raised some good points. One of the reasons I like this board is because it challenges me, a lot of people here are smarter than I am and it keeps me on my toes. Which is part of the reason why I think it's unfair that what you post is automatically being dismissed. The article you posted is poorly written but it has some meat to it and I'm glad some posters are actually talking about it because different perspective means everyone stands to learn something, even if it's just about other posters. The posters that came in only to dismiss you might as well be wearing their own signs: "Look how edgy I am". Dismissing someone by taking the time to write a post about it for everyone to see isn't really dismissing someone anyway, it's just asking for attention. Trolling at it's finest. On another note, I find it interesting most women you know don't care. For me, I took an interest in the subject in the first place was because I've seen it first hand from the perspective of most of the women in my life and I've heard them complain about it regularely. I'm lucky in that I know a *lot* of female gamers. From my best friends, my girlfriend, my colleagues and even my mother. Most people here don't seem to have that luxury. Not a judgement, not saying people here don't know women or "can't get a girl" or whatnot, I just know a lot of women gamers and this issue is a much more active part of my life than most others - and if they were here, they could fight their own battles and I wouldn't have to bring it up. It makes me concerned that you may be white knighting, like my aforementioned example, which would be a big disappointment to me personally because I happen to enjoy your positive outlook. It's a nice contrast to all the snark. Good post TN, some valid insights there I am definitely not white-knighting, some people just use this as way to dismiss a valid argument Also I think it should be painfully clear to everyone that there are almost no active lady members who generally contribute towards these types of discussions. So I'm not sure who I would be white-knighting to

Okay interesting...I'm worried now. I want Germany to get through but France is looking very impressive

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Absolutely, they've been very impressive. However, assuming Germany wins later today as expected, that QF match is going to be a big time heavyweight bout. You've raised a good point, if Germany wins does that mean they will have to play France in the QF?

In honour of the well deserved French victory I am going to eat some Roquefort cheese tonight, its the least I can do considering the circumstances

I can't believe how well France is playing compared to the last world cup, do you guys they they are serious contenders for the semi-finals ?

In general, I agree, but on the scoring play, in particular, he made a piss poor attempt at a clearance. In general, I agree, but on the scoring play, in particular, he made a piss poor attempt at a clearance. Actually the Nigerian defense as a whole has been porous all game. Some nice saves though. I agree my adulation is for the goalkeeper only, I genuinely believe France deserves to win

Wait you think the culture wars ended in 1989? You think the right wing is winning? Fascinating. Beware when you ask Monte those types of questions Valmy ....how deep are you prepared to go into the rabbit hole .....

Finally !!! But excellent defence from the Nigerian goalkeeper, the man is amazing !!!

And that by far is one of the most insightful posts I've heard, well played I know certain people will automatically dismiss this article just because I posted it. But that's fine, I would rather debate with people who want to debate and to add constructive comments to these types of issues ( and I don't mean people have to agree with me ) Remember TN you don't raise SJ issues to be popular, its actually the opposite. Because most people don't like to be reminded of the ubiquitous inequality that's exists around us but generally doesn't effect them. But I don't care about popular opinion when it comes to my principles, I raise certain issues because I feel its the right thing to do But saying all that I acknowledge that article isn't excellent, its interesting but I can see where it fails to deliver the message

If I had to take a guess, Bruce is using SJWing as an attempt to attract women. Wouldn't do that myself, but sometimes you have to work with what you've got. Funny enough most my lady friends don't quite understand the importance of SJ issues. But there are some who do and when I meet a lady for the first time I test the waters to see if they are interested in these types of issues. But a SJ connection is a good connection IMO

Ah Gfted1, my stalwart companion in the thankless job of raising SJ issues and encouraging debate on said topics, its like I always say " a SJ discussion is not a SJ discussion until you have added your voice of support to mine "

Monte that is a very myopic and cynical view of progression and I'm glad your definition isn't the acceptable one, it would be as depressing as hell But I did laugh at the " make everyone equally miserable"

Good question, the whole point around progression is to show how we as a society have evolved and how we see each other as equal and should be treated equally where applicable and logical

Fair enough, I don't have any personal insight into BSN back then so I shouldn't argue Wow that is impressive, so even the personality and mannerisms were the same. That's much harder to do than it appears

Holy Smoke, Ice-Cream flavoured Tabasco !!! I love Tabasco and I use the standard 4-5 flavours regularly. How many different flavours did you see? Or was it Tabaso flavoured ice cream... Quick, we need an existentialist! Maybe....lets get clarity

You could, but you'd be missing the point. It's the same criticism that was leveled by some at Sleeping Dogs (a very different type of game, mind you). Sure, you could get through the game just mashing X (and Y to counter occasionally) and win the fights, but it's way more fun to pull off impressive looking combos utilizing all the different buttons. By the same token, you could win most fights in Bayonetta just mashing one or two buttons, on the easier difficulty levels, at least, but the whole point of these Devil May Cry types of brawlers is to pull off various cool looking combos to defeat your enemies as stylishly as possible. Bayonetta has a very robust combo system utilizing most of the buttons on a gamepad. No my friend that is an exaggeration, there is no way in Sleeping Dogs you could get through the martial arts fight by pushing one button. No way

Obviously you and I have a very different definition of what crude and vulgar is. I follow the Romance discussions on BSN and only a small number of users would fit your definition of crude and vulgar. For me the discussions are robust, honest and opinionated and that's a healthy part of a debate. So yes I do call it a win

I think you are missing my point or I am clearly missing yours Obviously that's not how I speak or how I would speak about a Romance option. This is just an example to highlight how a crass comment around heterosexual sexual innuendo would be more acceptable than a crass comment around homosexual sexual innuendo. I would think this would be obvious so epic fail on trying to understand my post. That's a D- on interpretation Gromnir, D - .....

Ouch, that does look painful...

That's a clever way for them to generate more revenue and have some fun at the same time, play the patriot card Personally I like both types of waffles but I am more use to traditional sweet Belgian waffles...not the savoury type

Its harder than you may realize to find articles that don't across in a way that annoys people more than they encourage debate. Even this article I thought was great but after reading some of the criticism I now realize parts of the message will be lost due to the writers posting style. But I'll carry on looking and post one when its relevant